Covfefe-19 The 12th Part: The Only Thing Worse Than This New Board Is TrumpVirus2020

[Handyman]

It won't be a popular opinion but fcuk them.

 

[Kepler]

It won't be a popular opinion but fcuk them.

Depends. If they have medical qualms quite frankly they are at least in a position to know more about it than I.

If these are hayseeds who also happen to be in the profession but are Dumpies, like the myriads rural teachers out there spreading their derp, then yes, by all means, put them on a barge, drag it to the center of the North Atlantic, and use it for bombing practice. c.f. home schoolers.

Although...

... leaving them in place will tend to depopulate those regions quicker, so maybe let's not be too hasty.

 

[LynahFan]

Depends. If they have medical qualms quite frankly they are at least in a position to know more about it than I.

If these are hayseeds who also happen to be in the profession but are Dumpies, like the myriads rural teachers out there spreading their derp, then yes, by all means, put them on a barge, drag it to the center of the North Atlantic, and use it for bombing practice. c.f. home schoolers.

Although...

... leaving them in place will tend to depopulate those regions quicker, so maybe let's not be too hasty.

Don’t believe the hype. Dr. Fauci and a nurse’s assistant in Bumblefcku, PA may both be “medical professionals,” but their opinions are not equally useful. As critical as they are and as grateful as I am that they are willing to do a tough and unsavory job, that doesn’t mean they know diddley about the biochemistry of viruses.

What are they basing all this reluctance on? All those other vaccine rollouts that they have seen go wrong? Oh, wait - no, they didn’t see that because it never happened.

 

[leswp1]

Don’t believe the hype. Dr. Fauci and a nurse’s assistant in Bumblefcku, PA may both be “medical professionals,” but their opinions are not equally useful. As critical as they are and as grateful as I am that they are willing to do a tough and unsavory job, that doesn’t mean they know diddley about the biochemistry of viruses.

What are they basing all this reluctance on? All those other vaccine rollouts that they have seen go wrong? Oh, wait - no, they didn’t see that because it never happened.

Um, that is not accurate. Rotavirus, Lymerix are 2 that come immediately to mind. both needed to be recalled. Having said that I couldn't get in line fast enough and am waiting for dose 2.

 

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

Um, that is not accurate. Rotavirus, Lymerix are 2 that come immediately to mind. both needed to be recalled. Having said that I couldn't get in line fast enough and am waiting for dose 2.

Yeah Lymerix is why my dogs get Lyme vaccine but I cannot

 

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

Interesting strategy to encourage people to get the vaccine

https://mobile.twitter.com/RexChapman/status/1351380821417058304

 

[LynahFan]

Um, that is not accurate. Rotavirus, Lymerix are 2 that come immediately to mind. both needed to be recalled. Having said that I couldn't get in line fast enough and am waiting for dose 2.

Horsehockey. There were 59 alleged cases of arthritis out of 1.4 million doses of Lymerix administered (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2870557/). Media hype suppressed demand to the point that SmithKlineBeecham voluntarily pulled it. There is no way that health providers are considering that event, objectively weighing the benefits and the risks, and are making a rational choice to refuse the vaccine.

Health providers have fear-driven lizard brains, the same as most of the population.

 

[Handyman]

Honestly if there wasnt a shortage of workers I would tell any medical professional who refuses for any reason that isnt "my patients need it more than me" they are relieved of duty. Sorry but that is reckless and stupid and in a time when we are struggling to get people to even admit the disease is real it is imperative that they set the right example. Why would I get the vaccine (if I was skeptical) if even the people giving it to me dont think it is important?

Sorry but I find that to be selfish and bordering on malpractice. (not speaking legally just in terms of their job)

 

[Snively65]

Horsehockey. There were 59 alleged cases of arthritis out of 1.4 million doses of Lymerix administered (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2870557/). Media hype suppressed demand to the point that SmithKlineBeecham voluntarily pulled it. There is no way that health providers are considering that event, objectively weighing the benefits and the risks, and are making a rational choice to refuse the vaccine.

Health providers have fear-driven lizard brains, the same as most of the population.

And, there is lots of credible evidence for a causal relationship between Lyme disease and Alzheimer's. I feel very fortunate to have received the three-shot Lymerix dosage before it was pulled.

 

[Kepler]

Don’t believe the hype. Dr. Fauci and a nurse’s assistant in Bumblefcku, PA may both be “medical professionals,” but their opinions are not equally useful. As critical as they are and as grateful as I am that they are willing to do a tough and unsavory job, that doesn’t mean they know diddley about the biochemistry of viruses.

That's what I said, LF. If they're rural rubes who got their medical credentials from I Can't Believe It's a Nursing School, then they can bite me. I'm sure they're basing their critical virology on Bible passages the same way they pick their Mega Millions numbers.

 

[psych]

Not that there aren’t nurses and doctors refusing to get the vaccine, because I personally know a few, but healthcare workers also include hospital dietary staff, janitorial staff, etc. who may not be as knowledgeable about the vaccine and are more apprehensive about getting it. Either way, it sucks that there’s a possibility that people’s apprehensiveness about getting a vaccine slows down the process to the point that the virus mutates beyond the vaccine’s capability before herd immunity is achieved.

 

[LynahFan]

Not that there aren’t nurses and doctors refusing to get the vaccine, because I personally know a few, but healthcare workers also include hospital dietary staff, janitorial staff, etc. who may not be as knowledgeable about the vaccine and are more apprehensive about getting it. Either way, it sucks that there’s a possibility that people’s apprehensiveness about getting a vaccine slows down the process to the point that the virus mutates beyond the vaccine’s capability before herd immunity is achieved.

Yeah - the media definitely does not do the country any favors with their clickbait headlines, "Healthcare workers refuse vaccine!!!!111!!" when probably half of those people barely have any medical training at all. Getting the vaccine should be messaged and seen as a patriotic duty, full stop. Your country needs you!

Of course, then the demand would *really* outstrip supply. My parents are in their upper 70s, dad had a heart attack a few years ago, and their appointment isn't until April (in NY). Ugh. I'm hoping by Labor Day for me, but Christmas is more realistic at this rate....

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

I don't understand how a vaccine can't be mandatory for continued employment of an otherwise healthy adult worker with no preexisting contraindications in a frontline clinical setting. You want to work at a hospital, you get the jab. Period.

 

[SJHovey]

I don't understand how a vaccine can't be mandatory for continued employment of an otherwise healthy adult worker with no preexisting contraindications in a frontline clinical setting. You want to work at a hospital, you get the jab. Period.

I know for many hospitals and nursing homes a flu shot is necessary or required by the employer. Seems like they could do the same here.

 

[psych]

I don't understand how a vaccine can't be mandatory for continued employment of an otherwise healthy adult worker with no preexisting contraindications in a frontline clinical setting. You want to work at a hospital, you get the jab. Period.

It can be made mandatory. There’s gotta be a hospital somewhere that has made it a condition of continued employment.

 

[Handyman]

Well workers are in short supply so they cant really enforce it...

 

[Kepler]

The COVID Memorial is beautiful, and solemn.

Thank god we have human beings in charge again.

 

[WisconsinWildcard]

Off the top of my head I suspect that the fact this is a EUA muddies the water on mandating it for health care workers.

Otherwise I am fully on board for mandating vaccines. I got into it in the past with some idiot posters on here (?Bob Grey) re mandating flu vaccines. There is good evidence that health systems with tight mandates have lower influenza morbidity and mortality. I look it as the same thing as I have to wash my hands before interacting with patients.

 

[BassAle]

I have an appointment for to get my first dose tomorrow. Yay science.

 

[psych]

Well workers are in short supply so they cant really enforce it...

Oh, no doubt. I just read an article today about California’s relaxing of nurse-patient ratios, which apparently started there last month. I can’t imagine being a telemetry or ICU nurse and being legally mandated to take care of 50% more critically ill patients.