Covfefe-19 The 12th Part: The Only Thing Worse Than This New Board Is TrumpVirus2020

[Challenger007]

I'm not sure I would say that much of it is easier than the flu. I'm sure countless people get infected with the flu, and they have no idea. Given the number of kids who end up staying home when there's an outbreak, there's no doubt that a vast majority of flu infections go unnoticed.

Well, with COVID, not everyone goes to the doctor. In fact, we have many more infections than we see in the statistics. So, how many people in addition still have the flu or some rhinovirus is beyond our attention and understanding.

 

[MichVandal]

Well, with COVID, not everyone goes to the doctor. In fact, we have many more infections than we see in the statistics. So, how many people in addition still have the flu or some rhinovirus is beyond our attention and understanding.

But we do know that COVID infections have overwhelmed our hospitals. All over the world. At the same time.

I don't recall influenza ever doing that.

Let alone the worst influenza deaths for a year recently was 60k. This is going to be 6-7x that, with huge amounts of sacrifice and shut downs to prevent spread.

So we need to stop pretending that this is even remotely close to the annual flu.

 

[Drew S.]

But we do know that COVID infections have overwhelmed our hospitals. All over the world. At the same time.

I don't recall influenza ever doing that.

Let alone the worst influenza deaths for a year recently was 60k. This is going to be 6-7x that, with huge amounts of sacrifice and shut downs to prevent spread.

So we need to stop pretending that this is even remotely close to the annual flu.

I think we would be ever so lucky for it to be 7x that given where things stand right now. There are so many cases right now it is going to take forever for things to get back to normal even if the vaccines are successful. I don't think the vast majority of people are geared up for 2021 being a continuation of 2020.

 

[Slap Shot]

-we are in a world of hurt until we can get a large group vaccinated. I can't see this happening before Fall of next yr unless I am missing something.

I must be missing something because I thought we'd be looking at at least 1/3 of the country being vaccinated by the end of the 2nd quarter of next year.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Apparently even Trump cant convince the idiots to take the vaccine...

Boy, if you ever thought Parler wasn't the place to be this convinced you otherwise.

 

[Swansong]

On the bright side, hospitals here in MA are planning to begin vaccinations Wednesday. There is a light at the end of the tunnel, finally.

 

[Scarlet]

Apparently even Trump cant convince the idiots to take the vaccine...

The only reason why I'm a little bit happy with those in the White House being at the front of the line to get the vaccine is to see the heads of people like that explode in anger.

 

[rufus]

I must be missing something because I thought we'd be looking at at least 1/3 of the country being vaccinated by the end of the 2nd quarter of next year.

Which is still nowhere near enough to stop the continued spread of the virus. End of June? This first batch we're looking at getting 3 million vaccinated. Out of 300+ million people. How fast do you think they're going to get this program ramped up? How many doses are we going to have available? The Trump administration already effed up that part.

 

[dxmnkd316]

I think we would be ever so lucky for it to be 7x that given where things stand right now. There are so many cases right now it is going to take forever for things to get back to normal even if the vaccines are successful. I don't think the vast majority of people are geared up for 2021 being a continuation of 2020.

This is absolutely correct. That last sentence being especially important.

 

[Handyman]

I must be missing something because I thought we'd be looking at at least 1/3 of the country being vaccinated by the end of the 2nd quarter of next year.

That puts us into summer...that puts us nowhere near ready to open up fully.

 

[BassAle]

That puts us into summer...that puts us nowhere near ready to open up fully.

Fauci thinks by early 2021 things should be starting to resemble normal (at least more so than now), but i would guess that depends on how many idiots refuse to get vaccinated.

Moderna trials are underway for kids under 16 now. Hopefully we can get kids vaccinated before next school year. The doctor that I've been talking to about the vaccine says that 10-16 year olds are great asymptomatic spreaders, but that kids under 10 don't seem to spread it all that much, so if we can get it tested and approved even it's just 10 years old and up, that would be great

 

[Scarlet]

Instead or resembling normal in early 2021, which won't happen, I would like to see numbers start to go down instead of continuing to skyrocket.

 

[LynahFan]

Fauci thinks by early 2021 things should be starting to resemble normal (at least more so than now), but i would guess that depends on how many idiots refuse to get vaccinated.

I don't follow as closely as many of you, but I have definitely never heard Fauci use "normal" and "early 2021" in the same sentence. If he ever did, it surely must have been provisional (as you point out): IF we can get X% vaccinated and IF we can get mask usage up to Y%, then....normal-ish, in terms of businesses that can be open, sports that can be played with spectators, etc. Even so, mask usage is going to continue to be needed, so it all depends whether you consider "doing everything you did in 2019 but with a mask on" to be included in your definition of "normal."

 

[Handyman]

Fauci thinks by early 2021 things should be starting to resemble normal (at least more so than now), but i would guess that depends on how many idiots refuse to get vaccinated.

Moderna trials are underway for kids under 16 now. Hopefully we can get kids vaccinated before next school year. The doctor that I've been talking to about the vaccine says that 10-16 year olds are great asymptomatic spreaders, but that kids under 10 don't seem to spread it all that much, so if we can get it tested and approved even it's just 10 years old and up, that would be great

Early 2021? That is next month. Unless Moderna is ready to start rolling out in much greater numbers than Pfizer in the States I dont see how that is possible. Infections are too high at this point (along with deaths) for a slow rollout to have any sort of teeth for months. Early 2021 is expected to be quite dark...

I know movie theaters and studios are banking on May. (literally...theaters might go under if May isnt open or there isnt a helpful Stimulus) I don't see how, with the current state of affairs) that is something they can hope for though. Certainly not in the numbers they are hoping for. (full seating)

I hope you are right...

 

[Handyman]

I don't follow as closely as many of you, but I have definitely never heard Fauci use "normal" and "early 2021" in the same sentence. If he ever did, it surely must have been provisional (as you point out): IF we can get X% vaccinated and IF we can get mask usage up to Y%, then....normal-ish, in terms of businesses that can be open, sports that can be played with spectators, etc. Even so, mask usage is going to continue to be needed, so it all depends whether you consider "doing everything you did in 2019 but with a mask on" to be included in your definition of "normal."

Well Fauci kind of hems and haws and changes his tune week to week. (I would assume based on new info) He originally said Fall would be when he would things were back to normal but now he does kind of make it seem we will be normalizing earlier. Early 2021 is a pipe dream though. Early 2021 I am not sure the Front Line Workers in Minnesota will all be vaccinated let alone enough of the at risk to make it safe.

 

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

Minnesota finally stops jacking around with this loser and pulls the liquor license.

bye bye

https://bringmethenews.com/minnesot...-xVxAFKiukctFN3NW4ScdSHgHlNsauGkYxRKGiShOLvis

 

[Jeb2020]

So do we know if the Vaccination even stops the spread or is that one up in the air still? LMAO

This is from the Immunization Action Coalition.

 

[BassAle]

Early 2021? That is next month. Unless Moderna is ready to start rolling out in much greater numbers than Pfizer in the States I dont see how that is possible. Infections are too high at this point (along with deaths) for a slow rollout to have any sort of teeth for months. Early 2021 is expected to be quite dark...

I know movie theaters and studios are banking on May. (literally...theaters might go under if May isnt open or there isnt a helpful Stimulus) I don't see how, with the current state of affairs) that is something they can hope for though. Certainly not in the numbers they are hoping for. (full seating)

I hope you are right...

I meant 2022

 

[BassAle]

Well Fauci kind of hems and haws and changes his tune week to week. (I would assume based on new info) He originally said Fall would be when he would things were back to normal but now he does kind of make it seem we will be normalizing earlier. Early 2021 is a pipe dream though. Early 2021 I am not sure the Front Line Workers in Minnesota will all be vaccinated let alone enough of the at risk to make it safe.

early 2021 was a typo, I meant early 2022. he said "some semblance of normal" in late 2021, early 2022

 

[net presence]

But we do know that COVID infections have overwhelmed our hospitals. All over the world. At the same time.

I don't recall influenza ever doing that.

Let alone the worst influenza deaths for a year recently was 60k. This is going to be 6-7x that, with huge amounts of sacrifice and shut downs to prevent spread.

So we need to stop pretending that this is even remotely close to the annual flu.

And, that 60K flu deaths is likely a significant over count. As are most years in regards to the CDC estimates. Check out this article...

https://blogs.scientificamerican.co...u-deaths-is-like-comparing-apples-to-oranges/

From the article... "When reports about the novel coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 began circulating earlier this year and questions were being raised about how the illness it causes, COVID-19, compared to the flu, it occurred to me that, in four years of emergency medicine residency and over three and a half years as an attending physician, I had almost never seen anyone die of the flu. I could only remember one tragic pediatric case."

"Based on the CDC numbers though, I should have seen many, many more. In 2018, over 46,000 Americans died from opioid overdoses. Over 36,500 died in traffic accidents. Nearly 40,000 died from gun violence. I see those deaths all the time. Was I alone in noticing this discrepancy?"

"I decided to call colleagues around the country who work in other emergency departments and in intensive care units to ask a simple question: how many patients could they remember dying from the flu? Most of the physicians I surveyed couldn’t remember a single one over their careers. Some said they recalled a few. All of them seemed to be having the same light bulb moment I had already experienced: For too long, we have blindly accepted a statistic that does not match our clinical experience."

"The 25,000 to 69,000 numbers that Trump cited do not represent counted flu deaths per year; they are estimates that the CDC produces by multiplying the number of flu death counts reported by various coefficients produced through complicated algorithms. These coefficients are based on assumptions of how many cases, hospitalizations, and deaths they believe went unreported. In the last six flu seasons, the CDC’s reported number of actual confirmed flu deaths—that is, counting flu deaths the way we are currently counting deaths from the coronavirus—has ranged from 3,448 to 15,620, which far lower than the numbers commonly repeated by public officials and even public health experts."