Covfefe-19 The 12th Part: The Only Thing Worse Than This New Board Is TrumpVirus2020

[leswp1]

That’s good advice. I’ll ask her.

They should, but aren’t. They consider it a “low risk exposure” and are saying they’re not responsible until she shows symptoms.

She and the positive contact only had on surgical masks, however, due to the nature of the work, the contact doesn’t always wear the mask correctly and my wife had to ask the contact to put it on correctly.

That being said, the way they’ve been handling the contact tracing and notifying the people who haven’t worked the unit but will has been nothing short of social malfeasance obviously driven by some dips hit actuary.

“It’s a HIPAA violation to let people know who haven’t worked the unit since the positive test (but will work tomorrow) that they’ve had a positive”

my wife has been told she can’t even contact her coworkers to tell them to take precautions. Without even saying there’s been a positive. I went apoplectic when I heard this yesterday.

Pretty sure that is a load of sh1t. If you are in a facility then when a potential exposure happens then people on the care team or who may have been exposed are contacted. It sounds to me like what they are doing is trying to keep people in ignorance so they won't talk. That way there is less chance they will be held accountable. I would be on the phone to Public Health Dept, OSHA, a lawyer and the State/National org. They cannot abdicate responsibility when they are putting her at risk. The bu11sh1t about HIPPA is just a way for them to keep her from holding them accountable. They have responsibility to prevent transmission. If this was TB they wouldn't be doing this.

 

[leswp1]

I could see this playing at least some part, but college kids are gonna party. I do see some evidence of people doubling down on refusal to wear masks and practice social distancing as the calls for both get louder and louder.

I think the only solution that is going to work is going to be for those of us who take this seriously to wear our masks, practice good hygiene and stay home unless leaving home is a matter of life or death. Let covid run wild through the the idiots. I've felt all along that the only thing that will make a difference is death on such a massive and unprecedented scale that the idiots among us will have no choice but to see they were wrong. I'm talking death on a scale that exceeds the 1918-1919 pandemic.

Last week I was in Iowa and the employer asked if either I or my colleague knew of anyone who actually tested positive or was seriously ill with COVID-19. I commented that in a nation as physically large as ours, and with 330,000,000 people, not personally knowing someone afflicted is NOT evidence that this isn't a serious issue. I personally know a number of people who got sick with COVID-19, former members of mine in the Ohio Department of Rehab and Corrections. I am not basing my concerns at all on the fact I have been personally touched. But that will be the next thing the right will parrot, Who do YOU ACTUALLY KNOW with COVID-19 anyway? Again we are confronted with the simple fact that there are too many stupid people in this country.

I wish this was a choice for us. mr les works in college athletic healthcare. He is the head dude. He has to go to work. His office and training room both are windowless and no outside ventilation- only building ventilation system. He went back to work in the building today. I cannot even begin to tell you what I am feeling. If he doesn't end up with it, it will be an act of God. And if he does end up with it and gets really sick I am suing their a55es for every cent I can get because there is no way they can defend the position they are putting him in. No e ff ing sport is more important than a life.

 

[Jeb2020]

Where we are getting to as well. And the world will just have to deal with the economic impact of people waiting this out. How anyone can think that letting this go with the idea of getting herd immunity would be better for the economy is truly insane. And in denial of what effective countries have been able to do.

"An outbreak was inevitable, and therefore lockdowns were never a viable repeatable solution - you pay a high price, repeatedly. As we’re about to experience yet again, lockdowns harm everyone more than the coronavirus does." - Dr Simon Thornley http://voxy.co.nz/health/5/371163

https://mobile.twitter.com/aginnt/status/1295076863245656064




This thread has links to the CV19 related infographics I have put together. The citations for each infographic can be found in the individual threads. I will add infographics to this thread as I create more.

https://mobile.twitter.com/OBusybody/status/1295033902835339264


'History will judge the hysteria'

Absolutely it will.

https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/285341

“If we had not been told that there was an epidemic in the country, you would not have known there was such an epidemic and you would not have done anything about it," he said emphatically. "The fact that this issue runs all day in the media inflates it beyond its natural dimensions. If black death had raged here, as in the 14th century, you would not have had to follow the situation in the news, the bodies would have piled up in the streets. We were not and we are not in this situation today."

 

[Swansong]

I wish this was a choice for us. mr les works in college athletic healthcare. He is the head dude. He has to go to work. His office and training room both are windowless and no outside ventilation- only building ventilation system. He went back to work in the building today. I cannot even begin to tell you what I am feeling. If he doesn't end up with it, it will be an act of God. And if he does end up with it and gets really sick I am suing their a55es for every cent I can get because there is no way they can defend the position they are putting him in. No e ff ing sport is more important than a life.

Nor is it a choice for the zillions of teachers, store clerks or other people whose options are to go to work (at whatever risk) or not be employed.

 

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

Unc moves to remote classes. Lol good work administration , what a week

 

[Swansong]

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireSt...MlCtghIKSu2ugs

Potentially thousands of coronavirus infections from recent weeks and months have instead been erroneously recorded as having happened in March, April, May and June, Jones said Monday.

“It’s just horrifying. We have no idea what’s going on, really,” said Jones.

The numbers are skewed because some people tested negative earlier but recently tested positive. Iowa’s system has been recording their new positive results as having happened when their original negative results were reported.

“It’s one of the worst data errors that could be happening right now,” said Megan Srinivas, an infectious disease physician in Fort Dodge, Iowa. “We are making these policy calls based on completely flawed numbers and that needs to be acknowledged.”

She said the situation means Iowa’s prevalence of infection and the pandemic’s current trajectory is worse than people realize.

I try not to ascribe to malice what can just as easily be ascribed to incompetence, but when "sloppy" mistakes continue to happen.........

 

[Handyman]

Unc moves to remote classes. Lol good work administration , what a week

Imagine if those 25 hours are what force the ACC to cancel...

 

[WeAreNDHockey]

Where we are getting to as well. And the world will just have to deal with the economic impact of people waiting this out. How anyone can think that letting this go with the idea of getting herd immunity would be better for the economy is truly insane. And in denial of what effective countries have been able to do.

You would think the powers that be would see that so many people are voluntarily sheltering at home and even with the idiots out there in the bars, at the beaches and biking throughout Sturgis, the numbers are still way down. Last month I heard someone on an NPR talking head show say that even in late February and early March the restaurant industry was starting to see softening in some markets, and that was BEFORE any kind of safer-at-home mandates.

Sometimes the market IS part of the answer, and those of us who took this seriously 5 or 6 months ago were already voting with out feet by keeping out feet at home. The fact is, a lot of the people still acting like this is nothing are the ones who are dying or will die (not all of them unfortunately) and those of us who know better are not going to a movie or a hockey game until we're relatively sure those activities are reasonably safe.

It's amazing how the right uses crime or terrorism to scare the 5h!t out of people and make it seem like if you venture downtown to a RedWings game you'll probably die. Yet when there is a real threat to your health and safety the right is no where to be seen.

 

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

What a great country this is

https://mobile.twitter.com/gdebenedetti/status/1295458730419654657

 

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

Who cares? He’s 82, and gonna die soon anyway

https://mobile.twitter.com/JesseLehrich/status/1295514747304017926

 

[Jeb2020]

My new update- Florida- 87 new dead- maybe an improvement... Michigan- 83 new cases. hmm. Crazy, when Michigan had so many cases a few months ago. Suggestions vs. mandates.

Michigan added 465 “cases” today. And is top 10 in deaths per 100,000.

Pretty poor showing for a State with all them mandates.

 

[mookie1995]

Michigan added 465 “cases” today. And is top 10 in deaths per 100,000.

Pretty poor showing for a State with all them mandates.

Don’t confuse state mandates with their citizens following them.

...one hole in a boat still sinks it

 

[SJHovey]

I do kind of miss student newspapers

 

[Handyman]

I do kind of miss student newspapers

Yeah I posted that yesterday. Not a very good look for UNC. And no I am not talking about the headline.

I just heard a local district (I wont say which one) gave the parents the option of in person/hybrid/online and something like 90% of the parents opted in for full time in person. Needless to say this has lots of people rather worried. Especially local business.

edit: Looks like Iowa State students want to risk shutting down the Big XII...

https://twitter.com/mainmagz/status/1294675648565444608

From the comments apparently ISU already has quite a few cases...friggin genius.

 

[SJHovey]

Yeah I posted that yesterday. Not a very good look for UNC. And no I am not talking about the headline.

I just heard a local district (I wont say which one) gave the parents the option of in person/hybrid/online and something like 90% of the parents opted in for full time in person. Needless to say this has lots of people rather worried. Especially local business.

edit: Looks like Iowa State students want to risk shutting down the Big XII...

https://twitter.com/mainmagz/status/1294675648565444608

From the comments apparently ISU already has quite a few cases...friggin genius.

The K-12 situation is a hard one. Other than just a couple of parents who have a kid who is super at risk, or maybe someone at home who is super at risk, I haven't talked to a single parent that wants anything but in person back to school. Oddly enough, that even includes teachers who have their own kids.

If I were in charge of K-12, everyone from about 7th grade on would be full distance learning. Then I'd use all of my unused middle school and high school space in the district to spread out the K-6th grade and basically isolate groups of 20 or so kids. It wouldn't be ideal, and you'd have to figure out some sort of transportation solution, but the small kids aren't going to successfully distance learn without a parent at home with them, and even then it will be hit and miss.

 

[Swansong]

The K-12 situation is a hard one. Other than just a couple of parents who have a kid who is super at risk, or maybe someone at home who is super at risk, I haven't talked to a single parent that wants anything but in person back to school. Oddly enough, that even includes teachers who have their own kids.

If I were in charge of K-12, everyone from about 7th grade on would be full distance learning. Then I'd use all of my unused middle school and high school space in the district to spread out the K-6th grade and basically isolate groups of 20 or so kids. It wouldn't be ideal, and you'd have to figure out some sort of transportation solution, but the small kids aren't going to successfully distance learn without a parent at home with them, and even then it will be hit and miss.

Are you going to upstaff teachers in a hurry to accommodate all those extra classes?

It's insane to me that we waited until August to work any of this out. It was apparent in May/June that this wasn't going away, and we pissed away the whole summer doing nothing.

 

[WeAreNDHockey]

UNC reverses course and stops in-person classes, while Notre Dame reported another 89 positive coronavirus tests, most traced to yet another off-campus party attended by too many people, none of them wearing masks. I can't WAIT for football to start.

 

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

Are you going to upstaff teachers in a hurry to accommodate all those extra classes?

It's insane to me that we waited until August to work any of this out. It was apparent in May/June that this wasn't going away, and we ****ed away the whole summer doing nothing.

Come on, Jared said it would be gone by July!

 

[Handyman]

The K-12 situation is a hard one. Other than just a couple of parents who have a kid who is super at risk, or maybe someone at home who is super at risk, I haven't talked to a single parent that wants anything but in person back to school. Oddly enough, that even includes teachers who have their own kids.

If I were in charge of K-12, everyone from about 7th grade on would be full distance learning. Then I'd use all of my unused middle school and high school space in the district to spread out the K-6th grade and basically isolate groups of 20 or so kids. It wouldn't be ideal, and you'd have to figure out some sort of transportation solution, but the small kids aren't going to successfully distance learn without a parent at home with them, and even then it will be hit and miss.

And see I dont know any teachers that want to go back...hell 30% in my home district said as such and threatened not to if I heard right. Of course in my home district only 60% of parents said they wanted their kids back full time...

It is a crappy situation but if you see what the protocols are for what schools need to go through just to be up to par it is an impossible task and it is not safe in any way. I get why parents want their kids in school but if I was a teacher over 50 I am contemplating early retirement.

The transportation situation is insane. GF used to work in that area back when she started and it was bad then...with COVID I can only imagine the logistical nightmare awaiting them.

I agree with your plan (most teachers of k-12 I know do) but with the ignorance around in leadership and well stupid parents it just wasnt going to happen. there is no logic in the world these days.

 

[jerphisch]

The K-12 situation is a hard one. Other than just a couple of parents who have a kid who is super at risk, or maybe someone at home who is super at risk, I haven't talked to a single parent that wants anything but in person back to school. Oddly enough, that even includes teachers who have their own kids.

If I were in charge of K-12, everyone from about 7th grade on would be full distance learning. Then I'd use all of my unused middle school and high school space in the district to spread out the K-6th grade and basically isolate groups of 20 or so kids. It wouldn't be ideal, and you'd have to figure out some sort of transportation solution, but the small kids aren't going to successfully distance learn without a parent at home with them, and even then it will be hit and miss.

Our district has ~27k kids total, lets assume about 2/3 are K-8, so 18k. The online only option for k-8 had 2,300 students register through last Friday and the deadline was yesterday, so pretty safe to guess at least 15% of parents are choosing to not send them back (in an area full of Dumpies). The situation isn't really that hard, we have the whole world as an example of what works and what doesn't. Step 1 is reduce cases before doing all the things that cause them to increase. We've been stuck on step 1.