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Can we go back to the prior format?

According to the main forums page there are 51 responses to the new Covid thread. Yet I can only see one page and a total of 30 posts. This technology cannot be so complicated as to be this clunky. Utterly ridiculous how bad this is. I would love to see the posting data. I bet new posts are down 75% over the entire forum. That's certainly a great way to have people see the online ads.
 
According to the main forums page there are 51 responses to the new Covid thread. Yet I can only see one page and a total of 30 posts. This technology cannot be so complicated as to be this clunky. Utterly ridiculous how bad this is. I would love to see the posting data. I bet new posts are down 75% over the entire forum. That's certainly a great way to have people see the online ads.

Wellll if you have some knucklehead on ignore the post doesn't show at all. It is wonderful until someone quotes them
 
So board...can you explain if there are going to be any changes made to this "new" board that will actually improve it now that it has been around a while. I mean we still cant use emoticons, it still runs slow as heck, it still glitches out when showing new posts in certain threads (especially if a blocked person posts) and as you can probably tell that has lead to a massive decrease in the amount of people posting here now.

Is there any plans to add any functionality or fix the problems? Is there something we can do to help?
 
Now half the threads I post in dont show there are new posts. I literally have to guess based on their placement. Students in my intro classes have web sites with better functionality than this...
 
My Mets site is also going to a new format today. Is this a new trend in cheaping out or something?
 
My Mets site is also going to a new format today. Is this a new trend in cheaping out or something?

Not an IT person so don't really get how this stuff works but it totally baffles me why anyone would install this downgrade. It has lost almost all functionality. Is it because they have to pay to use the particular format and the less function the cheaper? Sort of like the base model vs the loaded version? I know there are some threads I have been on for yrs that have had multiple participants who checked in daily. After this they are almost non-existent and can go days without a post.
 
I'm sure there are Reasons. It may be cheaper, it may be lower maintenance. The ROI on forums is likely not as high because the ads they slam you with are far easier to ignore in an environment in which we're just talking to each other.

Remember always that USCHO and CHN exist to make money, and we are the product. We are being sold to advertisers and there is a constant arms race between their attempts to rape our attention and our attempts to protect ourselves. Situations in which we can withdraw our attention from their garbage are inherently not in the interest of those sites to continue. They aren't malicious, but they aren't charities.

The irony is we don't need USCHO at all. All we need is a stable forum platform. They, on the other hand, are utterly dependent on us. If we go away they crater, instantly.

So, we have power. If they institute changes that suck we need to let them know. If they aren't responsive we have to be willing to leave. I appreciate the existence of USCHO and have been a paying member since forever, but I am also not a charity, and when it's no longer worth the bother of navigating through their insulting and debasing ads, it's time to go.
 
Not an IT person so don't really get how this stuff works but it totally baffles me why anyone would install this downgrade.

The previous major version of vBulletin probably fell out of support, which means they would no longer provide patching or updates for it after the cutoff date.
 
The previous major version of vBulletin probably fell out of support, which means they would no longer provide patching or updates for it after the cutoff date.

Which would explain why we're seeing a spate of downgrades.

The question is, why do the later versions suck? Presumably developers are always trying to add value -- at minimum with bug fixes, but also by improving performance and designing better UI. What generally happens is providers add features nobody wants which suck away all the good developers' LOE, while bloating the application and destroying the user experience. Marketing isn't about retaining users, it's about attracting new users. New users, as a rule, mean Eternal September and regression to the dumbest, lowest attention span, and most-easily separated from his money user.

Serving the subset of people with intelligence and taste is an excellent way to go bankrupt when compared to serving normal people. So, good things always get bad.
 
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I have no idea what that means.

The previous major version of vBulletin was v4, originating sometime around 2009. v5 (launched in 2012) is the next version. In between major versions, major and minor patches (updates to the major version which fix bugs or provide additional functionality) are released which are often represented as additional points after the major version number (4.1, 4.4, 5.6.1, etc.).

At a certain point, the company who makes vBulletin (MH Sub I) would stop offering updates to v4 and force customers to upgrade to v5 in order to continue getting updates and customer support for reported issues. I've read that support for vBulletin v3 and 4 ended back in in 2017.

Microsoft does this all the time with Windows and Office - support for Windows 7 ended in January 2020 and all remaining customers are expected to upgrade to Windows 10 to continue receiving updates and customer support.
 
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