Another Mass Shooting: It's Those Darn Video Games!

[aparch]

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Well how about this.

No one can be in the business of selling guns unless they possess a federal firearms license, which is relatively easy to get. It's $200 and is good for three years, and costs less than $100 to renew.

I'm on board. Let's go. This is right next to what I offered up. And it means the well regulated militia part of the constitution is maintained.



Now, how do we get the NRA, who used to be 100% for responsible gun ownership, on board to grease the pockets of their GQP puppets?

 

[bronconick]

I'm on board. Let's go. This is right next to what I offered up. And it means the well regulated militia part of the constitution is maintained.



Now, how do we get the NRA, who used to be 100% for responsible gun ownership, on board to grease the pockets of their GQP puppets?

Last time all it took was having the Black Panthers having guns to make the NRA pro gun control.

 

[MichVandal]

The problem is that you guys always come up with ideas like banning one type of semi-automatic weapon even though there are many other semi-automatic weapons out there that you're happy to let be sold. Or you want to limit the number of bullets the gun will hold. Those ideas don't stop gun violence.

It seems to be commonly accepted that there are too many guns available. Well, why don't you make it harder to buy a gun?

Well how about this.

No one can be in the business of selling guns unless they possess a federal firearms license, which is relatively easy to get. It's $200 and is good for three years, and costs less than $100 to renew.

Have Uncle Joe tell the ATF to set the fee at $75,000, and the renewal at the same price. If that doesn't knock a whole bunch of these neighborhood gun dealers out of commission, raise it even more. There is no constitutional right to be a firearms dealer.

Don't lump everyone into "you guys"- my proposal has consistently to lower the capability of semi-auto guns- with a magazine limit and a firing rate limit. Which won't impact the "sport target" shooters.

But I would be happy to start with all gun sellers have to have a license. If you can convince the NRA to go with it, it would be a start.

And I hope we see more gun turn in programs- it's always amazing to me how many firearms are given to the cops when they ask.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

The issue is that even small, incremental changes are met with a brick wall. I said this the other day and I'll say it again. It's the literal same fight whether you want to repeal the 2nd Amendment outright or require FID cards and background checks for purchases. The NRA, et al, will fight anything.

So **** incremental change. If it's the same battle, then aim to win.

Correct.

And again for those that just do not seem to be listening. The gun owners had their shot. They blew it.

Time to take the guns away and melt them all down.

 

[Kepler]

The issue is that even small, incremental changes are met with a brick wall. I said this the other day and I'll say it again. It's the literal same fight whether you want to repeal the 2nd Amendment outright or require FID cards and background checks for purchases. The NRA, et al, will fight anything.

So **** incremental change. If it's the same battle, then aim to win.

This is exactly right.

The enemy has dug their heels in and won't budge no matter what we change, so let's do it all, and all at once.

Good bye, pew pews.

 

[MichVandal]

This is exactly right.

The enemy has dug their heels in and won't budge no matter what we change, so let's do it all, and all at once.

Good bye, pew pews.

Seriously, that is the problem.

Way, way back, it was proposed to really tighten up how guns are sold. Nothing.

And every single mass murder, the lack of awareness from the gun lovers has been rather astounding. Instead of trying to eliminate the mass murder via firearms, we are just supposed to accept them. As if it's written in the bible that we should be able to murder other people with guns.

So it's pretty amusing that after a few decades of doing nothing, the people on gun side are so upset that the people who want to dial this back keeps ramping up proposals when they have offered exactly nothing serious. And now that someone has proposed something that was proposed decades ago, we should be thankful and not so quick to jump on the gun ban ideas.

Where have these proposals been over the last decades????

Again, the simple fact that the anti gun population is slowly growing every single mass murder, the gun people don't see the possibility that the 2A could be repealed by a national vote.

Do you actually want to lose you guns?

 

[Drew S.]

Correct.

And again for those that just do not seem to be listening. The gun owners had their shot. They blew it.

Time to take the guns away and melt them all down.

Take their houses, bank accounts, etc while you’re at it then throw them in jail. You really have to feel good about the direction of our country.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

They piss and moan about wanting to take their toys away yet they've not done ONE FUCKING THING to prove they deserve them.

Melt the fuckers down.

Bye bye toys.

 

[MissThundercat]

They **** and moan about wanting to take their toys away yet they've not done ONE ****ING THING to prove they deserve them.

Melt the ****ers down.

Bye bye toys.

Think a little differently.

Give every minority group a gun and watch how fast the NRA's tone changes.

 

[MichVandal]

They **** and moan about wanting to take their toys away yet they've not done ONE ****ING THING to prove they deserve them.

Melt the ****ers down.

Bye bye toys.

No, it's not that they not DO anything to deserve them, they say things like "responsible" gun owner, and how they will make things better, only to react the opposite every time they are exposed as doing less than nothing.

They've gone out of their way to demonstrate the rational and responsible gun owner isn't actually capable of having a responsible and rational system. They just want their murder instruments for fun.

Again, pretty much every single semi-auto weapon is ONLY designed to murder people quicker and in higher numbers. They are not the target guns, especially the higher up you get into the target hobby. They are not hunting guns. They just murder more people, faster.

So how that's something we need to bow down to from a group of "christians" is beyond me.

 

[Handyman]

Take their houses, bank accounts, etc while you’re at it then throw them in jail. You really have to feel good about the direction of our country.

Drewbot with the lame slippery slope bs. Whatever you can do to square the round peg that is gun death right?

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

Again, the simple fact that the anti gun population is slowly growing every single mass murder, the gun people don't see the possibility that the 2A could be repealed by a national vote.

A 3/4 majority of state legislatures are definitely not voting to ratify a repeal of 2A anytime soon. The only option to bypass the state legs is a state ratifying convention, which has only been used once (to repeal Prohibition), and there are some nuances there as to how conventions are either elected or appointed by the governor of each state. So I just don't see how it would happen.

 

[Swansong]

I am really far from an anti-gun zealout. In fact, I'd much prefer to more or less mimic Canada's gun laws (at least, so far as I understand them which admittedly is not well). My point is that we need to change things. Not in a "JUST DO SOMETHING ANYTHING" way, but in a meaningful way.

And every single idea, bar none, whether they are minor or major, meaningful or purely performative, is met with a brick wall of resistance. Or nonsense diversion without follow up (it's mental health! No I won't try to fix that either), or as MTG has done, simply scapegoating a marginalized group.


So f it. We aren't responsible enough even to discuss how to safely handle guns.


edit: also I'm being totally agnostic to the actual mechanisms of this fight, just laying out high level goals (and also using stupid manager-speak)

 

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

Drewbot with the lame slippery slope bs. Whatever you can do to square the round peg that is gun death right?

Hey he’s willing to sacrifice his own kids for the rights of everyone. He’s a hero

 

[Swansong]

What really grosses me out is the first reaction of the right after these incidents. It isn't sadness and frustration. It's to embrace the gun.


How gross is that.

 

[MichVandal]

A 3/4 majority of state legislatures are definitely not voting to ratify a repeal of 2A anytime soon. The only option to bypass the state legs is a state ratifying convention, which has only been used once (to repeal Prohibition), and there are some nuances there as to how conventions are either elected or appointed by the governor of each state. So I just don't see how it would happen.

Right now? Of course not.

But to deny the trend that it's possible is a real problem, as I see it. The trend is slow, but real. And the repeal is possible, even if very unlikely right now.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Again and again.

Gun Owners had the power, and the clout to make us the most permissive and safest gun country on Planet Earth.

They failed.

Time to take the toys away.

 

[SJHovey]

I am really far from an anti-gun zealout. In fact, I'd much prefer to more or less mimic Canada's gun laws (at least, so far as I understand them which admittedly is not well). My point is that we need to change things. Not in a "JUST DO SOMETHING ANYTHING" way, but in a meaningful way.

And every single idea, bar none, whether they are minor or major, meaningful or purely performative, is met with a brick wall of resistance. Or nonsense diversion without follow up (it's mental health! No I won't try to fix that either), or as MTG has done, simply scapegoating a marginalized group.


So f it. We aren't responsible enough even to discuss how to safely handle guns.


edit: also I'm being totally agnostic to the actual mechanisms of this fight, just laying out high level goals (and also using stupid manager-speak)

Didn't Biden sign into law, gun control legislation last summer? I'm pretty sure he did. Minnesota will likely pass something this term, and I'm sure Walz will sign it.

Gun control legislation is getting passed in various locations all the time. None of it is as dramatic as banning private ownership of guns or anything, but in each case the legislators claim (and I assume, believe) that legislation will save lives.

Furthermore, how do we know that it hasn't saved lives?

 

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

Right now? Of course not.

But to deny the trend that it's possible is a real problem, as I see it. The trend is slow, but real. And the repeal is possible, even if very unlikely right now.

If we can slow voter suppression and get gen z turnout to be strong, they may slowly chip away at some of the Bible Belt hell holes

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Kids are getting slaughtered in Elementary Schools.

Management: The numbers are better.
Everyone: Oh, good, we're good now.

Fuck that.