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Another Mass Shooting: It's Those Darn Video Games!

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Kepler said:
The solution is to repeal A2 and ban private possession of guns, full stop.
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I was fine with 95%, but that’s what they call compromise, right?
Now, absent your visualized utopia of red states and blue states becoming separate countries, repealing A2 and banning private possession aren’t current solutions. Some would say that makes you someone who can’t be trusted to make pragmatic decisions about gun control. So, what can bridge the gap between nothing and everything?
I want to add that almost nothing, absent the development of a police force controlled like the one in The Minority Report, will ever eliminate mass shootings. If we ever dropped to the number of mass shooting deaths per year in the United States as the baseline, we’d all be ecstatic. I’m focused more on the other 99% of gun deaths, including suicides.
 
Drew S. said:
You could call it the criminal full employment act. They could rape, rob, and kill as much as they like if a 2A ban is enacted.
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Just like in Japan, right? And Canada? And the UK? Wait, the United States has the same level of violent crime per capita as those countries, if not less than the UK. In fact, the U.S. is slightly above average (lower crime rates) compared to the rest of the world. So, um, no. Debunked. Try again.
 
RaceBoarder said:
Don't bother...

People like Scoob, DGF, Alfa, etc. view us the same way as they do any red hat wearer... They don't want to hear that people can logically and reasonably own firearms. Also since they don't own any themselves, they don't give a **** about them. So they want to burn the earth to get what they want.

There is no negotiating with the left-oriented MAGAs either...
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You seem to forget that my proposal is to limit the firing rate as well as limiting the magazine volume.

But do think that the logical and reasonable people can't contain the ones who are not, especially with tools that their only intention is to kill as many people as quickly as possible. The whole idea of "trust us" has yet to come true to eliminate mass murder events. So if you can come up with some actual evidence that logical and responsible people can actually address mass murders, feel free to post it.

BTW, I do have guns. So F off with your assumptions. I'd wager I'm a better shot than you are, too.

The real problem with the right is that they propose nothing. For some reason, we just have to accept mass murders as a normal thing, and it's totally ok. There's the "mental health" bs that always brought up, but there have been exactly zero actual proposals to deal with that what so ever. It's become really clear that the gun lobby is running the show so that they can make as much money as possible. Especially when you look that historically, the NRA was actually for gun control. Ah, the good old days.
 
Drew S. said:
Remember 10 years ago when we were told background checks were the answer to our mass shooting problem? How did that one turn out? The frustrating part of the debate on guns is the people with the answers aren’t listened to.
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What is your actual proposal to end these mass murder events, then? Don't tell us what's not working, tell us what you propose that will work. What answers have you ever proposed that would be useful? Seems to me that since your side isn't capable of policing itself that you are not logical and responsible enough to stop these mass murder events.

And I very much don't recall you ever posting the idea of a national registry concept, a training requirement- which basically treats guns like they are cars.

A federal registry/license that would require training to own a gun is a good start to me.

What most of you totally ignore is that after every single murder event that happens, the patience for the people who actually think these murders are bad and should end gets shorter and shorter- going from waiting times now down to more and more just eliminating the 2A. The more you don't propose anything in good faith, the more likely that a 2A repeal will eventually make it to a national vote.

And before you post your scary scenario that there will be more crime, please show that happening in 1) countries that restrict arms and 2) specifically Australia. Because the reality is that you are full of it unless you can show actual evidence that lack of guns in the public make us less safe.
 
MichVandal said:
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What most of you totally ignore is that after every single murder event that happens, the patience for the people who actually think these murders are bad and should end gets shorter and shorter- going from waiting times now down to more and more just eliminating the 2A. The more you don't propose anything in good faith, the more likely that a 2A repeal will eventually make it to a national vote.

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This. All of this.
 
Social change is plate tectonics. If the plates can moves relative to each other it is smooth and regulated. But if the plates get stuck -- if something obstructs and does not allow the slightest movement despite the reality of forces moving against each other -- then the pressure builds, year after year.

Until the moment when the obstruction is simply obliterated.

This is what happened with the Civil War. And it could happen again except this time it won't be a military schism -- modernity has made that obsolete. It will be a dramatic shift in electoral politics with the dam breaking on everything everywhere all at once.

You. Cannot. Win. Like your slave holder and segregationist forebears, your fetishes will die with you.
 
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NRA used to be a gun safety organization. Gun owners used to care about safety. Now all they care about is how big their **** feels when they caress their AR-15.

Take the toys away.
 
MichVandal said:
You seem to forget that my proposal is to limit the firing rate as well as limiting the magazine volume.

But do think that the logical and reasonable people can't contain the ones who are not, especially with tools that their only intention is to kill as many people as quickly as possible. The whole idea of "trust us" has yet to come true to eliminate mass murder events. So if you can come up with some actual evidence that logical and responsible people can actually address mass murders, feel free to post it.

BTW, I do have guns. So F off with your assumptions. I'd wager I'm a better shot than you are, too.

The real problem with the right is that they propose nothing. For some reason, we just have to accept mass murders as a normal thing, and it's totally ok. There's the "mental health" bs that always brought up, but there have been exactly zero actual proposals to deal with that what so ever. It's become really clear that the gun lobby is running the show so that they can make as much money as possible. Especially when you look that historically, the NRA was actually for gun control. Ah, the good old days.
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The problem is that you guys always come up with ideas like banning one type of semi-automatic weapon even though there are many other semi-automatic weapons out there that you're happy to let be sold. Or you want to limit the number of bullets the gun will hold. Those ideas don't stop gun violence.

It seems to be commonly accepted that there are too many guns available. Well, why don't you make it harder to buy a gun?

Well how about this.

No one can be in the business of selling guns unless they possess a federal firearms license, which is relatively easy to get. It's $200 and is good for three years, and costs less than $100 to renew.

Have Uncle Joe tell the ATF to set the fee at $75,000, and the renewal at the same price. If that doesn't knock a whole bunch of these neighborhood gun dealers out of commission, raise it even more. There is no constitutional right to be a firearms dealer.
 
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The issue is that even small, incremental changes are met with a brick wall. I said this the other day and I'll say it again. It's the literal same fight whether you want to repeal the 2nd Amendment outright or require FID cards and background checks for purchases. The NRA, et al, will fight anything.

So fuck incremental change. If it's the same battle, then aim to win.
 
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