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Yale - The best team in the country?

Re: Yale - The best team in the country?

Yale doesn't have many fans - at least, not that have been there all the way through the dark ages. Those ones getting overly exhuberant, I can understand. The bandwagoneers... yeah.

Mr Red Cloud, sir.

The more you write the more I like what you write.

I don't know who your team is (I have a guess), but I appreciate the fairness with which you have discussed the topic, as well as the knowledge you have about the way the computer rankings work. It is not easy to intelligently "debate" with some of the guys on this board, but you are relentless in nailing them down. It has been fun to watch.

I played the game as a kid and first saw Yale play in the early 70's when I went to college in Massachusetts. I watched my first game at the Whale about 20 years ago after we moved to CT and have watched about 100 games there since then.

Its been a long ride. We had some competitive teams in the late 90s, atleast within the ECAC, and took a one game trip to the NCAAs in 1998, I believe. There was a great deal of hope that the program was on an upswing going into the turn of the century, about the time that Christopher Higgins (now with the Florida Panthers) played with us. Unfortunately, our long term coach, Tim Taylor, was nearing the end of his run, the admissions office was pretty hostile to the team, and the facility was becoming a recruiting liability. Mercifully perhaps, in hindsight, a coaching change was made in 2006. Since then, the turn around has been nothing short of miraculous.

Keith Allain had never coached at the college level, and was therefore a bit of an unknown quantity, but he is a Yale grad and had been an assistant in the NHL. He has been able to find guys who are producing and thriving in the program and in the university. He has been able to co-opt, or neutralize, the admissions office, and good kids who can contribute are now getting in (a problem most other programs don't have) and the program is building on itself and its success. Last year a building renovation was completed which has not only improved the viewing and overall fan experience but has also upgraded the locker rooms, weight room and player amenities. My impression is that the building is now a major draw for kids looking at the school. Last but not least, it had never hurt to offer a kid a chance to play D1 hockey and pick up a Yale degree. Now the program offers a kid the chance to play in a seriously good D1 program and pick up a Yale degree.

(As an aside, Coach Allain is coaching the US team in the World Juniors in two weeks. It will be interesting to see if he can continue his winning streak.)

You are right that there aren't a whole lot of long time Yale fans on the board (although the building is selling out). A handful, perhaps. I've read all the posts, though, and whether long-timer or recent joiner, I don't perceive anyone to be irrationally exuberant. My sense is that all are realistic, and understand that a championship is still far off and will have to be won on the ice. All of us are pretty happy just to be where we are. Five years ago it was pretty inconceivable.

Thanks for your support.
 
Re: Yale - The best team in the country?

getting excited over yale being #1 in the same poll that had BU #1 a few weeks back?

no thank you
 
Re: Yale - The best team in the country?

The heck with this "Yale is the best team in the country" debate. I'm just tickled Red Cloud has found another team to cheer for.

Are you a woman? You seem to have the emotions of a woman. (Yeah, RWD. I went there. What are you gonna do about it?)

Making a rational argument does not equate with "finding another team to cheer for."
 
Re: Yale - The best team in the country?

Explain. Is it because it's not agreeing with your pre-determined, admittedly biased position?

When it puts a team with a below average schedule like Yale's above a team with a much more difficult schedule that has only 1 more loss (to MUCH better competition, the #3 and #4 teams in the KRACH...as opposed to the #40 team in KRACH) IMO that isn't a very good ranking system.

As far as how KRACH functions, I definitely understand how it functions. But thank you for insulting me. KRACH is not designed to determine which team is better or the best...I understand that. However, you have constantly used it, along with other rankings, to say that Yale is the best team in the country. No ranking system is designed to determine this other than the NCAA Tournament. What I meant by the 215% better than North Dakota, would simply mean that KRACH tells me that if Yale played North Dakota on a neutral playing surface, that Yale would win 6-7 games out of 10. As far as Miami, KRACH tells me that Yale would win 8 out of 10 against them. I don't believe that. I'm not sure that anyone on this board believes that.
 
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Re: Yale - The best team in the country?

I nominate this thread for the hall of fame. The level of fail through and through is mind-boggling. I'm struggling not to burst out laughing at work while reading this.
 
Re: Yale - The best team in the country?

Yeah, oops. You did ask me to name computer rankings Yale was at the top of.
I'm not ignoring it, I've refuted it. Let me repeat myself one more time, maybe it'll sink in this time. LOOK. AT. KRACH. It INCLUDES the strength of schedule when calculating the top team in the nation AT THIS MOMENT. I

Jesus you are stupid. Three rankings that took into account strenght of schedule that ranked Yale #1. Krach and...

oh please list PWR, RPI, and their offensive and defensive rankings.
 
Re: Yale - The best team in the country?

True. With the exception of 30-something D1 coaches in this week's poll. Yikes.

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How many coaches vote in the polls?
 
Re: Yale - The best team in the country?

Jesus you are stupid. Three rankings that took into account strenght of schedule that ranked Yale #1. Krach and...

oh please list PWR, RPI, and their offensive and defensive rankings.

You know, it's like Post #293 never even happened. Now I fully understand why a friend described you as an "all-time moron."

Offensive and defensive rankings aren't computer rankings, slapnuts. It doesn't take a computer to calculate how many goals per game a team is scoring - maybe for you it does.
 
Re: Yale - The best team in the country?

When it puts a team with a below average schedule like Yale's above a team with a much more difficult schedule that has only 1 more loss (to MUCH better competition, the #3 and #4 teams in the KRACH...as opposed to the #40 team in KRACH) IMO that isn't a very good ranking system.

That's what statisticians like to call "cherry picking," and it doesn't work very well when you're describing an entire system of results.

As far as how KRACH functions, I definitely understand how it functions. But thank you for insulting me.

If you wanted to take it as an insult that you don't understand a very complex system, that was not my intent. A lot of people don't understand it. jcarter, for instance, doesn't seem to be able to count to four. At least you've got him beat.

KRACH is not designed to determine which team is better or the best...I understand that. However, you have constantly used it, along with other rankings, to say that Yale is the best team in the country. No ranking system is designed to determine this other than the NCAA Tournament.

Also false.

What I meant by the 215% better than North Dakota, would simply mean that KRACH tells me that if Yale played North Dakota on a neutral playing surface, that Yale would win 6-7 games out of 10. As far as Miami, KRACH tells me that Yale would win 8 out of 10 against them. I don't believe that. I'm not sure that anyone on this board believes that.

mmhmm... because they're in the ECAC, right. We keep getting back to these subjective arguments. Why is that?

In other words, you just don't want to believe what you're seeing, so therefore, it's invalid. Gotcha. I'm not sure how Yale beating UND 6 times out of 10 equates to being three times better, but OK. Let's not hyperventilate here.

Let me put this a different way. If I said I didn't believe the teams that North Dakota has played against were trying very hard to win, what would you say to me? And why would you be justified in saying it?
 
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Let me put this a different way. If I said I didn't believe the teams that North Dakota has played against were trying very hard to win, what would you say to me? And why would you be justified in saying it?

I'd agree with you about last weeks games.
 
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Re: Yale - The best team in the country?

Also false.

I'm not sure what you were saying as false, but here is a quote from a KRACH FAQ...

KRACH said:
KRACH is "perfect" in its analysis of past results. But that should not be construed to mean that it definitively decides which team is better.


mmhmm... because they're in the ECAC, right. We keep getting back to these subjective arguments. Why is that?

In other words, you just don't want to believe what you're seeing, so therefore, it's invalid. Gotcha. I'm not sure how Yale beating UND 6 times out of 10 equates to being three times better, but OK. Let's not hyperventilate here.

Here is another quote straight from KRACH...

KRACH said:
The ratings are on an odds scale, so if Team A's KRACH rating is three times as large as Team B's, Team A would be expected to amass a winning percentage of .750 and Team B a winning percentage of .250 if it played each other enough times.

Therefore, since Yale's rating is more than 2x that of North Dakota...according to KRACH, out of 100 theoretical games, Yale would be expected to win 65-70. Do you believe that?
 
Re: Yale - The best team in the country?

hey, Yale has a better mascot than UND, so they deserve to be #1. of course, even UND's women's hockey team would have a winning record against those weaklings Yale has played, so you guys better bank that #1 and treasure it forever.
 
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