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Wisconsin Recruiting Vol. XXX: 1 All American at a Time

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The logical answer to this great uncertainty is that used in society as a whole -- a binding agreement. However the NCAA precludes these in order to protect themselves from any commitments. The thing they try to offer up the kids as a "commitment" is limited and unenforceable in any sense.

Pardon me for not feeling bad for the group that refuses to make a binding agreement when that group complains because maybe the other party now has some options.

I love the twitter #gentleman's agreement statements. How come coaches can agree amongst themselves to honor something, but the "honorable gentleman's agreement" doesn't extend to the players? Some teams abuse it, and even the most scrupulous coach who does not make this a practice has not been "honorable" in one or two cases.
 
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bothman said:
You have to be within one standard deviation of the general student body academic index (a combination of SAT, GPA/Class Rank, and SAT II scores).
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The middle 50% got 32-35 on their ACT. That means the middle 68% is probably close to that. 30 or over is definitely going to keep some kids out.
 
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Bonin21 said:
Getting into Harvard to play hockey is not the same as getting into Harvard. College hockey players generally come from families with money. Families with money generally have access to good schools when the kids are growing up. I doubt you need more than a 26 or so on the ACT to get into Harvard for hockey, unless there's documentation of that out there somewhere.
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Students from wealthy families also are likely to be better alumni, making larger contributions to the school post-graduation. Schools are businesses too.

As to the gentlemen's agreement, it is just kind of dumb. There may end up being kids who peak early and don't develop into the players schools thought they'd be when they were offered at 14. But, tough. Life is cruel sometimes, and if you're not good enough to play at a B1G school, then you shouldn't be there to play. Scholarships based on a talent, be it music, athletics, superior academic performance, etc. are to be earned and, hopefully, deserved.
 
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bothman said:
I think this rule change needs a more balanced perspective.
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It's not a rule. That's the point.

Why should any coach that feels it is a negative to their situation feel obligated to live by it when it isn't even an NCAA rule in the first place? If I were a coach at a big program, I certainly wouldn't allow smaller schools to shackle me to some something that was a negative to my chances. I have to look out for my program... not worry about stepping on some toes once in a while.
 
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markwojo said:
If I'm the coach of a "small guy" school that just had a nice run....I might even want the option of trying to convince a kid committed to a bigger school I just bounced out of the tourney that they may have more success at my small school.
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Great point, this can be a 2 way street, though the lane is wider for the big school.
 
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I think letting the "gentlemen's agreement" fall by the wayside is a win win for small and large schools. For all coaches (as mentioned previously) they should feel less pressure to solicit verbals from 14-15 y.o's

For the large schools it allows them to possibly compensate for unexpected early departures with a kid they heretofore would have lost due to the agreement. For the small schools I don't see why they can't chase players who are lining up for UW/Nodak/MN/BC etc but are told to play 1-2 years of juniors first. As impressionable as kids are at 16-17 having someone say "you'll get immediate playing time" could entice a kid to change his decision.
 
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Chuck or anyone in the know. Any news on another possible F option for this fall?
 
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WiscTJK said:
Chuck or anyone in the know. Any news on another possible F option for this fall?
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No inside knowledge, but I wondered if Alex Shuchuk might walk on or get low scholarship $? I also noticed Madison native Brett Skibba is "not returning" to Connecticut (along with 6 other underclassmen that I assume they recruited over). Maybe he'd be an option?
 
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DPlaya said:
No inside knowledge, but I wondered if Alex Shuchuk might walk on or get low scholarship $?
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What good would adding a single-digit NAHL scorer do?
 
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If they add another forward it's going to be a walk-on type practice forward to fill out the lines. Could that be an Alex Shuchuk type player? Sure. If your 15th forward needs to play a role that will cause you to win or lose a game you're already so far up a creek that it doesn't matter who it is.

This freshman class is huge right now so it wouldn't be surprising if the roster in front of us is the roster they go to battle with next fall.
 
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What are the odds they push kids out over the next few years to balance the classes?
 
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Chuck Schwartz said:
If they add another forward it's going to be a walk-on type practice forward to fill out the lines. Could that be an Alex Shuchuk type player? Sure. If your 15th forward needs to play a role that will cause you to win or lose a game you're already so far up a creek that it doesn't matter who it is.

This freshman class is huge right now so it wouldn't be surprising if the roster in front of us is the roster they go to battle with next fall.
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Thanks for the info.

Todd
 
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Tyson Jost and Dante Fabbro have committed to play with Penticton in the BCHL this season. Obviously good news for Wisconsin's chances on both kids.
 
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Chuck Schwartz said:
Tyson Jost and Dante Fabbro have committed to play with Penticton in the BCHL this season. Obviously good news for Wisconsin's chances on both kids.
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Much better then if they had landed with their WHL drafting teams....Jost went #7 to Everett and Fabbro #8 to Seattle ;)

Hopefully we can keep the Penticton pipeline opened with Rumpel flowing to Madison.
 
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Bonin21 said:
What are the odds they push kids out over the next few years to balance the classes?
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I used to think having more balanced classes were higher up in the list of important factors to success, but after this year it's pretty obvious that a Sr laden team doesn't guarantee dominance and a Fr laden team does not limit success. Plus even if the classes were more balanced, once 2-3 guys leave early your balance is all screwed up again anyway.
 
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Timothy A said:
I used to think having more balanced classes were higher up in the list of important factors to success, but after this year it's pretty obvious that a Sr laden team doesn't guarantee dominance and a Fr laden team does not limit success. Plus even if the classes were more balanced, once 2-3 guys leave early your balance is all screwed up again anyway.
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There has to be a happy medium....something short of turning over a dozen players in a single season. We are going through our third cycle of this kind of turnover under Eaves and while yes it is possible to be a real young club and be a national contender (ala Minnesota this season), that is the exception and not the norm.
 
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