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Wisconsin Recruiting Vol. XXX: 1 All American at a Time

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Bonin21 said:
This is the recruiting thread, though. Could be the last d-man for next year, or someone down the road. Pretty hard to predict if it's someone down the road (Fabbro, Frederic, where's Chad Krys going to end up?)
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I was sure hoping it was help in the short term when we we will need scoring....
 
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WiscDC said:
Hmmmm....he posted this in the recruiting thread rather than the main thread. Does that mean there's a big commitment, or is it departure or coaching related, both of with do affect recruiting, though not as directly. And when I think of a "big day," it can mean there's a tall task ahead, but I often think of it as a phrase with a positive connotation. Hmmmmm....what is in the man's mind?



My grip is weakening on the edge of this cliff.
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Haha, yea he is really stretching this one out.
 
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As far as commitments go, Frederic is about equivalent to picking up another Nic Kerdiles.
 
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MaizeRage said:
As far as commitments go, Frederic is about equivalent to picking up another Nic Kerdiles.
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That puts a pretty good perspective around it. Outside of Max Jones (who is not likely going to play college anyways) Frederic is right there at the top couple of the U.S. 98's with Khodorenko, Keller, etc. It's a big pickup.

Added with the trio of Seamus Malone, Brock Boeser and Luke Kunin in 2015 and then probably Matthew Freytag joining Frederic in the 2016 class that's a ton of talent up front. And that's not even including guys like Besse, Zulinick, Soleway, Ustaski, Rockwood, Wagner and Hughes (who could be a top 2-round NHL pick).

We'll see. Could all flame out but that's a pretty loaded stable. It's also the reason why they couldn't go after every in-state kid people on this board were clamoring for. Believe it or not there are plans in place.
 
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Chuck Schwartz said:
That puts a pretty good perspective around it. Outside of Max Jones (who is not likely going to play college anyways) Frederic is right there at the top couple of the U.S. 98's with Khodorenko, Keller, etc. It's a big pickup.

Added with the trio of Seamus Malone, Brock Boeser and Luke Kunin in 2015 and then probably Matthew Freytag joining Frederic in the 2016 class that's a ton of talent up front. And that's not even including guys like Besse, Zulinick, Soleway, Ustaski, Rockwood, Wagner and Hughes (who could be a top 2-round NHL pick).

We'll see. Could all flame out but that's a pretty loaded stable. It's also the reason why they couldn't go after every in-state kid people on this board were clamoring for. Believe it or not there are plans in place.
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Let's just skip next year. :D
 
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WiscDC said:
Let's just skip next year. :D
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That is exactly the problem....for the third time in the Eaves era, we find ourselves coming up on a punt year where we have had a huge turnover and will be a horrifically young team. No one questions whether Eaves and Co have managed to churn quality talent through Madison. The arguements have been that it is more NHL developmental talent then winning at the college level (I don't necessarily buy that as to win at any level you need guys talented enough to play at the next level) and that there always seems to be one or two short on most years rosters of the type of talent that puts the puck in the net. I'm excited to see some of the committed kids (and maybe add a Fabro and Khodorenko too...since we've at the least had them visit so there is some level of mutual interest) in the next year or two, but really wish Eaves could get a handle on the roster balance so we don't have the bubble working through the program every 4 years where we go from feast to famine in terms of experience (and the side effect of results that go along with that).
 
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markwojo said:
That is exactly the problem....for the third time in the Eaves era, we find ourselves coming up on a punt year where we have had a huge turnover and will be a horrifically young team. No one questions whether Eaves and Co have managed to churn quality talent through Madison. The arguements have been that it is more NHL developmental talent then winning at the college level (I don't necessarily buy that as to win at any level you need guys talented enough to play at the next level) and that there always seems to be one or two short on most years rosters of the type of talent that puts the puck in the net. I'm excited to see some of the committed kids (and maybe add a Fabro and Khodorenko too...since we've at the least had them visit so there is some level of mutual interest) in the next year or two, but really wish Eaves could get a handle on the roster balance so we don't have the bubble working through the program every 4 years where we go from feast to famine in terms of experience (and the side effect of results that go along with that).
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Eaves made some recruiting mistakes early as he struggled to learn how to manage recruiting (which is expected by a staff with little NCAA experience), but one has to remember that he wasn't given perfectly balanced and well stocked classes by the outgoing coaching staff. Eaves wasn't given a well-oiled machine and messed it up, but I'm not sure that he understood how monumental the task is to correctly balance the need to win NOW with long term stability of the program within the unique restraints that are NCAA eligibility and recruiting rules.
 
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markwojo said:
That is exactly the problem....for the third time in the Eaves era, we find ourselves coming up on a punt year where we have had a huge turnover and will be a horrifically young team. No one questions whether Eaves and Co have managed to churn quality talent through Madison. The arguements have been that it is more NHL developmental talent then winning at the college level (I don't necessarily buy that as to win at any level you need guys talented enough to play at the next level) and that there always seems to be one or two short on most years rosters of the type of talent that puts the puck in the net. I'm excited to see some of the committed kids (and maybe add a Fabro and Khodorenko too...since we've at the least had them visit so there is some level of mutual interest) in the next year or two, but really wish Eaves could get a handle on the roster balance so we don't have the bubble working through the program every 4 years where we go from feast to famine in terms of experience (and the side effect of results that go along with that).
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This...great post Mark.
 
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markwojo said:
That is exactly the problem....for the third time in the Eaves era, we find ourselves coming up on a punt year where we have had a huge turnover and will be a horrifically young team. No one questions whether Eaves and Co have managed to churn quality talent through Madison. The arguements have been that it is more NHL developmental talent then winning at the college level (I don't necessarily buy that as to win at any level you need guys talented enough to play at the next level) and that there always seems to be one or two short on most years rosters of the type of talent that puts the puck in the net. I'm excited to see some of the committed kids (and maybe add a Fabro and Khodorenko too...since we've at the least had them visit so there is some level of mutual interest) in the next year or two, but really wish Eaves could get a handle on the roster balance so we don't have the bubble working through the program every 4 years where we go from feast to famine in terms of experience (and the side effect of results that go along with that).
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And looking at the stat lines of some of the kids coming in, they appear to be more playmaker than goal scorer for the high end kids. Not a bad thing to have, but for how excited I was for Mark Zengerle, after 4 years in Madison he still gave up great opportunities to shoot and choose to pass instead. I am hoping that Jedd Soleway is just waiting to score 40 goals next season to fill the goal deficiet which left Madison.

I am optimisstic about next season. Yeah they might suck, but the goaltending will be good, the recruiting class is looking very nice, and I don't have to watch Frankie Simonelli suck bag on the ice anymore. Haven't disliked a Badger that much since Klubertanz was allowing short handed goals left and right back in 07-08.
 
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Honestly? Chase Drake is that guy for me. I consistently thought he was the worst skater on the ice throughout the B1G tourney and through the NoDak game.
 
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I've thought about roster balance lately and I just don't see an easy fix. Some guys you can pencil in leaving early, other guys you can't, some guys might stay a year longer than you thought they would. Other than forcing people off the roster who don't develop to make room for talent Fr or have some guys redshirt, it's almost unfixable. And once you get it balanced, if 3 guys leave early one year who you didn't plan on, you are back to being unbalanced. It does mean a ton that UW has the 2nd most guys playing in the nhl, Eaves has a good set of eyes for talent, but that also means constant fluctuation in the recruiting classes. Jerry York obviously has this thing down to a science, Lucia has a good handle on this, but other teams are also "struggling", UM has been on a downer lately and UND has been weaker the last few years but had kinda lucky/good run this year. I'd love to hear What Eaves has to say about the uneven classes and if it even bothers him.

It's kind of disappointing in a way to see the roster grid full for the next 3 years and watch some talented late bloomers who would be very productive 4 year college guys go elsewhere.

I won't feel really positive about next year until we know Hughes is coming in early, though I like the class quite a bit.
 
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ExileOnDaytonStreet said:
Honestly? Chase Drake is that guy for me. I consistently thought he was the worst skater on the ice throughout the B1G tourney and through the NoDak game.
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The difference is, to me, that Drake was billed as the 6th dman, so our expectations for him were lower, or at least mine were. Frankie was the captain, and a senior, and to me didn't so **** most of the season. The blue line is general was very weak, and hopefully the next crop is a step in the right direction.
 
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