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Wisconsin Recruiting Vol. III - Building a better tomorrow...today!
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Re: Wisconsin Recruiting Vol. III - Building a better tomorrow...today!
I have 5 previous Eaves recruits on the recruiting spreadsheet. Based on numbers, you would have to guess that at least 3 will not be coming next year.
I have 5 previous Eaves recruits on the recruiting spreadsheet. Based on numbers, you would have to guess that at least 3 will not be coming next year.
solovsfett
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That would be great to know. As it stands now having 16+ Forwards and 10+ Defenseman is quite excessive.
Re: Wisconsin Recruiting Vol. III - Building a better tomorrow...today!
Spreadsheet updated again.
It's getting crazy right now. They have to be projecting a large number of Eaves recruits not coming and players leaving early.
Spreadsheet updated again.
It's getting crazy right now. They have to be projecting a large number of Eaves recruits not coming and players leaving early.
Re: Wisconsin Recruiting Vol. III - Building a better tomorrow...today!
Counting the Caufield brothers that are said to have committed - is that correct with 37 players committed or on roster in 2020? Need two more goalies and you are looking at 39. Ethically is Wisconsin OK with this?
Counting the Caufield brothers that are said to have committed - is that correct with 37 players committed or on roster in 2020? Need two more goalies and you are looking at 39. Ethically is Wisconsin OK with this?
solovsfett
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I can't believe they can carry much more than about 26 kids annually, 16 f, 8d and 2 g without incurring significant blowback. It's terrible optics so i'm hoping they've decided to go a different direction and eaves' recruits are off the list hitch should clear the picture significantly.
also how does Rizzo fit in all this if he verbals?
Re: Wisconsin Recruiting Vol. III - Building a better tomorrow...today!
They might be starting to stretch to 27 or 28 players at this point. You can offer 2/3rd scholarships to all players and still have 27 on the roster. You could even push to 30 if you offered 3/5th to each, but again you're starting to push it.
This is a dangerous game of trying to balance players leaving early with so many commitments.
They might be starting to stretch to 27 or 28 players at this point. You can offer 2/3rd scholarships to all players and still have 27 on the roster. You could even push to 30 if you offered 3/5th to each, but again you're starting to push it.
This is a dangerous game of trying to balance players leaving early with so many commitments.
Timothy A
Let's go RED!
Re: Wisconsin Recruiting Vol. III - Building a better tomorrow...today!
There is no official confirmation on this yet, pump the brakes on that. I do want them, but let's not get too far ahead. It is interesting that these 2 just committed on the heels of the Caufield bros becoming available. Maybe the 2 commitments are related to this event. Perhaps they had the open offers and now said "oh crap, I better sign on now or else."
There is no official confirmation on this yet, pump the brakes on that. I do want them, but let's not get too far ahead. It is interesting that these 2 just committed on the heels of the Caufield bros becoming available. Maybe the 2 commitments are related to this event. Perhaps they had the open offers and now said "oh crap, I better sign on now or else."
Timothy A
Let's go RED!
Re: Wisconsin Recruiting Vol. III - Building a better tomorrow...today!
Right now there are 18F 19-20. Frederic will be gone, Dooghe and Weissback will probably be gone too, so 15 F isn't crazy for a year. For 2021 Peltonen and Rampa will probably be gone, so that gets 20-21 down to 14F.
We have to bear in mind that Granato's going to push guys to leave instead of begging them to stay. He's viewing UW as an NHL factory. This is a very new way to run a college hockey team.
Right now there are 18F 19-20. Frederic will be gone, Dooghe and Weissback will probably be gone too, so 15 F isn't crazy for a year. For 2021 Peltonen and Rampa will probably be gone, so that gets 20-21 down to 14F.
We have to bear in mind that Granato's going to push guys to leave instead of begging them to stay. He's viewing UW as an NHL factory. This is a very new way to run a college hockey team.
That's a nice theory until he tries to talk a talent into staying another year because it would really help the program. Or a talent decides he wants to stay an extra season and Granato happily accepts. Then, like at DU this season (Gambrell/Munson), someone gets a scholarship, and potentially a roster spot, yanked for no fault of their own...
And with this level of recruiting it's going to happen a lot more often than once in a while...
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Timothy A
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Re: Wisconsin Recruiting Vol. III - Building a better tomorrow...today!
I truly believe he will not do that based on everything I've heard him say about player development. Sure it doesn't mean that won't happen, but it's extremely unlikely based on what he said. It's pretty obvious he is recruiting based on that. Also, if the program's success is based on whether 1 player leaves early or not, then Granato has failed as a recruiter.
I truly believe he will not do that based on everything I've heard him say about player development. Sure it doesn't mean that won't happen, but it's extremely unlikely based on what he said. It's pretty obvious he is recruiting based on that. Also, if the program's success is based on whether 1 player leaves early or not, then Granato has failed as a recruiter.
mnstate0fhockey
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Timothy A
Let's go RED!
Re: Wisconsin Recruiting Vol. III - Building a better tomorrow...today!
What Granato is doing is blowing your mind, it's unconventional now, it's just a question as to when all the other big dogs copy the script.
What Granato is doing is blowing your mind, it's unconventional now, it's just a question as to when all the other big dogs copy the script.
This is not the first coach/program to heavily over recruit in hockey or across many other NCAA sports. He's just the latest. There's a reason these tactics and early recruiting have been such topics of debate for so long...
solovsfett
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To be fair this is Oseicki's MO. He had tons of prospects lined up in his first stint and this one is the same but perhaps even more intense.
mnstate0fhockey
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He's not breaking new ground, and it never ends well. You becone the coach kids aren't sure they can trust to keep his commitment.
Re: Wisconsin Recruiting Vol. III - Building a better tomorrow...today!
I'm not trying to disparage any Badger recruits/commits, but the last two commits and the older Caufield (IF the Cuafield's even end up as Badger commits) are in state guys that probably are not going to move the needle in terms of scholarship dollars much between the 3 of them. Nothing in those 3 resumes is saying high end D1 significant scholarship. Every good team needs depth and guys that contribute w/o a ton of scholarship dollars, and I like a refocus of the staff at getting some instate guys who probably have a passion for wearing the Badger sweater. You can argue about having to many guys around and playing time opportunity, but there is another shoe to fall and I firmly believe it will be Eaves forward commit(s) ultimately seeking greener pastures which the staff probably already knows. Kids are always quick to tweet when they have committed, but when their development and progress slows and it becomes pretty obvious their initial plans will not come to fruition...the next tweet will be when there is a plan B lined up.
Rizzo is a one year (2 if you are extremely lucky) hiccup you work through if you are fortunate to have that problem.
I'm not trying to disparage any Badger recruits/commits, but the last two commits and the older Caufield (IF the Cuafield's even end up as Badger commits) are in state guys that probably are not going to move the needle in terms of scholarship dollars much between the 3 of them. Nothing in those 3 resumes is saying high end D1 significant scholarship. Every good team needs depth and guys that contribute w/o a ton of scholarship dollars, and I like a refocus of the staff at getting some instate guys who probably have a passion for wearing the Badger sweater. You can argue about having to many guys around and playing time opportunity, but there is another shoe to fall and I firmly believe it will be Eaves forward commit(s) ultimately seeking greener pastures which the staff probably already knows. Kids are always quick to tweet when they have committed, but when their development and progress slows and it becomes pretty obvious their initial plans will not come to fruition...the next tweet will be when there is a plan B lined up.
Rizzo is a one year (2 if you are extremely lucky) hiccup you work through if you are fortunate to have that problem.
mnstate0fhockey
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Josh Bohlin is a 3.75 out of 5 star recruit and Jack Gorniak is a 4.25 star out of 5 recruit according to Neutral Zone's scouting ratings. The younger Caufield, by my guess, is a 4+ star recruit as well.
Granted, this is just one outlet's ratings, but I think it is a stretch to imagine that none of these kids were promised scholarship money (if all have verbally committed to UW).
It will be interesting to see how this all shakes out, but this staff's recruiting has gone from aggressive to just plain insane. I can't see any way all of these kids end up at UW.
I think every program out there would like to stock pile commitments to hedge against kids not developing, but they need to remember recruiting is a two-way street. Kids are looking out for their own interests as much as coaches are looking out for the program's.
If a kid is deciding between UW and a few other big schools, commits to UW, then gets their scholarship yanked or is pushed back a few years. They may find the other schools who had interest before don't have room or aren't interested anymore. That can lead to A LOT of resentment and a lot of bad press for the program yanking a ton of scholarships or roster spots.
Near the end of Doug Woog's tenure he had a horrible reputation for yanking scholarships from kid's last minute and I think it was really hurting him on the recruiting trail. He lost out on a number of big recruits near the end of his tenure with Minnesota that I think he normally would have landed.
For some of these coaches it's just that they are naive to the recruiting dynamics, but with some of them it's arrogance. It always seems to come back and bite them though. How badly it comes back to bite them depends on how long and how often they do it.
MadCityRich
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Starting to quake in your skates, Gopher fan?
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