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Wisconsin HS Hockey team disqualified from playoffs

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solovsfett

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I'd like to elicit some comments on this. This punishment is to some extent a reaction to the Jake Jablonski injury. I agree with the idea of severe consequences for checking from behind or boarding penalties at all levels up to and including the NHL, but to disqualify an entire team is way over the top

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/prep...ng-blow-for-brookfield-b18nkc6-190622291.html

if I had any input whatsoever I'd make a kid sit 1 game for a 2minute CFB/Boarding to send a message, if it's a 5min initial on-ice call I'd have the kid sit 2-4 games to think about it
 
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In New Jersey, if a player gets 2 DQ's in a season, he / she is ineligible for the post season. If a team gets 3 DQ's, the whole team is ineligible. This is not for hockey, but for all sports.

NFHS rules call for an automatic DQ if the CFB is into the boards or the net. Anything else is (for now) 2+10. My question is it 2 CFB DQ's or just 3 CFB's? The article is unclear about that. I have no trouble with the former. The latter seems a bit extreme.
 
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What's the old saying? One is an instance, two is a streak, three is a trend? This penalty is based on a trend, and while harsh, I don't really have a problem with that.
 
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joecct said:
In New Jersey, if a player gets 2 DQ's in a season, he / she is ineligible for the post season. If a team gets 3 DQ's, the whole team is ineligible. This is not for hockey, but for all sports.

NFHS rules call for an automatic DQ if the CFB is into the boards or the net. Anything else is (for now) 2+10. My question is it 2 CFB DQ's or just 3 CFB's? The article is unclear about that. I have no trouble with the former. The latter seems a bit extreme.
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wow...so Brookfield is not alone in receiving this type of punishment...
 
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solovsfett said:
wow...so Brookfield is not alone in receiving this type of punishment...
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I'm pretty sure they're not alone in WI - I thought I read in the WSJ (Wisc. St. Journal) that Oregon and at least one other school have been affected by this.
 
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I really dislike this one. 25 game season, 14-18 year old kids, mistakes happen. Punish the player for it, not the team.

Also, it gives the officials more incentive to call boarding and cross checking penalties on checks from behind, due to the fact that they may be the difference in postseason play or not.
 
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I think it is a bit harsh. As a HS ref in Minnesota, the games I have done this season, it seems that the harsher penalties have done some good, the group I ref with and myself have called far fewer CFB penalties this year, than years in the past and I hope that trend continues. Also, I have seen many times this year where kids have pulled up when going in and even saw one player reach out and hold an opponent up so that he didn't go head first into the boards when the first player initiated contact from behind. It hasn't stopped completely, but I have yet to see a big check from behind this year thankfully.

I don't like the banning of the whole team for a few reasons. One, I have seen more than one "accidental" CFB, the player should've been smarter to put themselves in that position, but it certainly wasn't an intentional hit. Also, some of the kids have started to turn and now the refs are in a tough spot and may call some CFB that maybe shouldn't have. Also there is that overzealous ref that goes a little overboard. Also, you get those coaches who fish for harsher penalties, or penalties at all, who's to say they don't put more pressure on a ref when a team is close to losing their eligibility, so that it may make it easier for them in the playoffs. I would hope that doesn't happen, but it wouldn't surprise me if it didn't. Nothing really surprises me with this society anymore, sports in particular. I understand they needed to do something, but I think they would be better to ramp up the punishment rather than take it all in one big swing.
 
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MadTownSioux said:
I'm pretty sure they're not alone in WI - I thought I read in the WSJ (Wisc. St. Journal) that Oregon and at least one other school have been affected by this.
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I know that Verona got their 3rd a couple of weeks back against Sun Prairie. Last I heard they were appealing it.

One of the assistants on one of the Madison teams also assists on my son's bantam team and he was telling me that they planned on reaching out to the coaches on their final regular season's opponent and calling off the dogs. Both teams have 2 game dq's and neither wants the 3rd, so they wanted to play the game with very little contact.

Can't say I blame them as the game was meaningless in the standings.


Dumb rule.

Punish the offender - HARSHLY. 2 games for first cfb, 5 for second, season for 3rd. Whatever it takes.

I wouldn't punish a whole team until a higher number than 3 penalties. I believe this is for ALL game dq's, not just cfb. Kid could have a bad night, get in a fight and get a game dq. Of course, fighting in a HS game would be bad, but should a team miss state over it?

There's just too much wrong with this rule. Refs with agendas, refs who won't want to make a legit call because a team already has 2, refs who just flat out get it wrong, players who dive, players who turn at the last moment, coaches who tell their players to dive...

DUMB rule.


PS Don't take the ref comments in the wrong way. I generally and overwhelmingly have a great rapport with the officials who work the games that I coach. But I have seen a few who have agendas and make the game about themselves rather than the players. I've also seen them blow cfb calls both ways - too harsh and too lenient.
 
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Seems overly harsh to me to end the entire team's season. Three instances means that most kids on the team never checked from behind or boarded, yet have their postseason opportunity taken away.
 
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Gurtholfin said:
I know that Verona got their 3rd a couple of weeks back against Sun Prairie. Last I heard they were appealing it.

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It's not Verona; La Crosse Aquinas lost their appeal and is now done for the year. Verona is hosting a division final on Thursday here in Verona.

Edit: Oregon and Stoughton are 2 other teams DQ'd from the state tournament.
 
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To me, a team ban means there's something systemically wrong with the team. There are dumb hot head kids out there that don't need encouragement to do stupid things.
 
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Patman said:
To me, a team ban means there's something systemically wrong with the team. There are dumb hot head kids out there that don't need encouragement to do stupid things.
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Exactly, so why punish all 17 guys when you can punish the 1 or 2 problem makers? Just don't like this rule at all.
 
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MadTownSioux said:
It's not Verona; La Crosse Aquinas lost their appeal and is now done for the year. Verona is hosting a division final on Thursday here in Verona.

Edit: Oregon and Stoughton are 2 other teams DQ'd from the state tournament.
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Then Verona won their appeal. A good friend of mine and Verona coach (not varsity) was at the game that Keyes got the penalty.

He was also given a 4 game suspension (by the WIAA, I assume). Not sure if that was lessened.

Heard the call was weak, which was the basis of the appeal.
 
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MavHockey14 said:
Exactly, so why punish all 17 guys when you can punish the 1 or 2 problem makers? Just don't like this rule at all.
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Think No Child Left Behind. We try to control / encourage individual behavior by withholding something, be it playoff participation or money.

USA Hockey's proposed rule books are a big proponent of this. They make up for bad skills or bad coaching by penalizing the player/team/coach.
 
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I read about this last weekend. Punishing the whole team is a bad idea. Suspend the kid, suspend the head coach, but to ban an enitre team of hardworking innocent kids is just wrong. The innocent kids can't control what the offenders do, so how can you hold them accountable for something out of their control? In what other sport or collective effort is an entire group banned or fired based on the actions of a few or maybe just 1? None come to mind.
 
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Timothy A said:
I read about this last weekend. Punishing the whole team is a bad idea. Suspend the kid, suspend the head coach, but to ban an enitre team of hardworking innocent kids is just wrong. The innocent kids can't control what the offenders do, so how can you hold them accountable for something out of their control? In what other sport or collective effort is an entire group banned or fired based on the actions of a few or maybe just 1? None come to mind.
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Define collective effort and I could give you a real stinger.
 
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Timothy A said:
I read about this last weekend. Punishing the whole team is a bad idea. Suspend the kid, suspend the head coach, but to ban an enitre team of hardworking innocent kids is just wrong. The innocent kids can't control what the offenders do, so how can you hold them accountable for something out of their control? In what other sport or collective effort is an entire group banned or fired based on the actions of a few or maybe just 1? None come to mind.
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I can't think of one...it really bothers me that a team can be banned from the playoffs due to a couple of undisciplined plays by a few guys over the course of a season. the individuals must be punished not the team. but that's beating a dead horse. I feel bad for the Seniors on the team
 
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Gurtholfin said:
Then Verona won their appeal.
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I found a story about it and the reason the appeal was upheld was that one of the Game DQs occured at a tourney in MN where any CFB is a 5-min major and DQ. His hit was not along the boards, so the penalty would have been different in WI. That's what the story said, anyway, and I don't know if it's all true.
 
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were any of the DQs by the same player? or was it three different guys? is there a rule for individual players?
 
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