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Wisconsin Hockey XXXIV: A Season without Chuck

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On Boesser, I don't want to promote the story of test scores because I have no idea of the veracity of it (previously have heard rumors though), but if that is the case, the whole thing would make a bit more sense to me. If he needed to retake and still hadn't done so by October, it may have very well been seen by UW as he just wasn't willing to do his part. May have really cooled the staff on him (it would me) especially if they knew they just couldn't get him in otherwise. Water under the bridge at this point anyway.

If Bucky can play more like the first and last periods on the weekend, they will be pretty fun to watch this year. They can get up and down the ice. On the whole I'd say the weekend was a net positive despite not getting a win. Two goalies got their first starts under their belts. Jurusik looked super tight early and he definitely has to stop that first goal, but he settled and made some very nice stops and good plays and decisions with the puck as the game went on. Had no chance on the 2nd and 3rd goals. Appears he can play and considering the circumstances over the summer, it just may work out alright for Bucky.

I thought K. Schulz and Fast Eddie might have been trying to do too a bit too much with the puck. Especially Eddie. He made a number of uncharacteristically poor decisions and bad passes on the night as did the D as a whole, especially in the second.

I like the power play with Besse and Kunin looking to unload. If they can continue to work the puck to either of them, good things are going to happen.

Ford had a nice weekend. So did Wagner. So did Soleway.

Will Johnson can skate. He may have a little of the problem Hughes had last year with winning puck battles, but he's going to be a good player. I like the options of him or Freytag who was pretty solid in his own end and can win some puck battles. Gives the lineup a different look.

Besse played the way we need him to play last night. He has to bring it like that every game if the Badgers are going to win some games.

Rocky goes from top C to 3rd C. In a way, that's gotta be a pretty good sign for the team. I thought that line played very well.

Tolvanen was really good for NMU, especially in terms of puck control. He gave up almost nothing and it just looked like it was going to be one of those nights. NMU has a lot of veterans and they are going to be pretty good this year. Of course I thought that last year too, but they were just decimated by injuries. If Walt can keep them on the ice they're going to win their share of games.

A lot of work to do and I don't doubt the Badgers are going to be inconsistent with their play over the next ten games, but there are some good things going on with these guys. Might not be a disaster at all when it's all said and done.
 
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That Kunin, Besse, Rockwood, Soleway, Davison power play unit was pretty nice to watch. (Granted, I'm primarily thinking of the 2-minute 5-on-3 situation, but that's when I could actually take note of who was out there.)

And Tolvanen is a Finnish goalie, so is that really fair? They have super powers.
 
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I'm not optimistic at all. No offense to NMU, (usually stated before an offensive comment), but we tied NMU twice. A sub .500 team at least the past 3 years. I'm standing by my decision and my NHL fund is growing.

By the way SOLO: your post (#313) was one of your best ever. If "new" fans don't see the passion in the post, and many others by us, they just don't get it. This hockey program once was the only money maker in the entire athletic program. It carried basketball, football...all of them. Now, this admin doesn't give a **** about us. (Rhymes with truck, not spit).
 
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On Boesser, I don't want to promote the story of test scores because I have no idea of the veracity of it (previously have heard rumors though), but if that is the case, the whole thing would make a bit more sense to me. If he needed to retake and still hadn't done so by October, it may have very well been seen by UW as he just wasn't willing to do his part. May have really cooled the staff on him (it would me) especially if they knew they just couldn't get him in otherwise. Water under the bridge at this point anyway.

If Bucky can play more like the first and last periods on the weekend, they will be pretty fun to watch this year. They can get up and down the ice. On the whole I'd say the weekend was a net positive despite not getting a win. Two goalies got their first starts under their belts. Jurusik looked super tight early and he definitely has to stop that first goal, but he settled and made some very nice stops and good plays and decisions with the puck as the game went on. Had no chance on the 2nd and 3rd goals. Appears he can play and considering the circumstances over the summer, it just may work out alright for Bucky.

I thought K. Schulz and Fast Eddie might have been trying to do too a bit too much with the puck. Especially Eddie. He made a number of uncharacteristically poor decisions and bad passes on the night as did the D as a whole, especially in the second.

I like the power play with Besse and Kunin looking to unload. If they can continue to work the puck to either of them, good things are going to happen.

Ford had a nice weekend. So did Wagner. So did Soleway.

Will Johnson can skate. He may have a little of the problem Hughes had last year with winning puck battles, but he's going to be a good player. I like the options of him or Freytag who was pretty solid in his own end and can win some puck battles. Gives the lineup a different look.

Besse played the way we need him to play last night. He has to bring it like that every game if the Badgers are going to win some games.

Rocky goes from top C to 3rd C. In a way, that's gotta be a pretty good sign for the team. I thought that line played very well.

Tolvanen was really good for NMU, especially in terms of puck control. He gave up almost nothing and it just looked like it was going to be one of those nights. NMU has a lot of veterans and they are going to be pretty good this year. Of course I thought that last year too, but they were just decimated by injuries. If Walt can keep them on the ice they're going to win their share of games.

A lot of work to do and I don't doubt the Badgers are going to be inconsistent with their play over the next ten games, but there are some good things going on with these guys. Might not be a disaster at all when it's all said and done.
I love most of your analysis here. It's outstanding. The one point I'll differ on how s that Jurusik "should've had" the first goal. It was a two on one. In talking to Siemer, he looked off, as if to pass and made a heck of a shot and a very small target. It was simply a great shot. Actually tip my cap to all three keepers this weekend. There wasn't a goal against any of them where you could definitively say, "he'd really like to have that one back. I thought both teams did an excellent job of getting traffic to the net. All in all, a pretty good weekend of college hockey. Your very young squad (only 5 JR & SR's in the lineup) showed a lot of heart. That will turn into some W's this season. Now that this series is over, Good Luck Bucky! A tip of the cap to Badger fans as well. It was fun mixing with you in Dallas for the Bama game and you're among the best to visit at the rinks too. See you next year in Green Bay!
 
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I'm not optimistic at all. No offense to NMU, (usually stated before an offensive comment), but we tied NMU twice. A sub .500 team at least the past 3 years. I'm standing by my decision and my NHL fund is growing.

By the way SOLO: your post (#313) was one of your best ever. If "new" fans don't see the passion in the post, and many others by us, they just don't get it. This hockey program once was the only money maker in the entire athletic program. It carried basketball, football...all of them. Now, this admin doesn't give a **** about us. (Rhymes with truck, not spit).

Thanks MCR!

My passion is still here (as is yours and TimothyA's etc) but it's fueled mostly by the memories of the greatness that was Badger Hockey. Today we have to turn to the Blackhawks or whatever NHL team is dear to the heart to fill the hockey void...We remember with fondness the time when Hockey was the big sport on campus and an impossible ticket to get. And it does grind the gears to see Alvarez couldn't give 2 ****s less about this program and its tradition. And we all know they can play football until the year 2075 and they won't have 6 NCAA titles and aren't prepared to do what it takes to get em anyway. So why sacrifice Wisconsin Hockey for a few Outback Bowls mixed with a Rose Bowl once every 10 years? Yeah,...money.

i'm sure we agree rings>money...

sorry to be such a downer but when i think about the state of uw hockey when I first started going to what it is now it's just so different its really unrecognizable.
 
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Thanks MCR!

My passion is still here (as is yours and TimothyA's etc) but it's fueled mostly by the memories of the greatness that was Badger Hockey. Today we have to turn to the Blackhawks or whatever NHL team is dear to the heart to fill the hockey void...We remember with fondness the time when Hockey was the big sport on campus and an impossible ticket to get. And it does grind the gears to see Alvarez couldn't give 2 ****s less about this program and its tradition. And we all know they can play football until the year 2075 and they won't have 6 NCAA titles and aren't prepared to do what it takes to get em anyway. So why sacrifice Wisconsin Hockey for a few Outback Bowls mixed with a Rose Bowl once every 10 years? Yeah,...money.

i'm sure we agree rings>money...

sorry to be such a downer but when i think about the state of uw hockey when I first started going to what it is now it's just so different its really unrecognizable.

It really shouldn't have to be either/or. The overall pool of fans and potential fans of the Wisconsin Badgers is big enough to have a few big-time sports in addition to some well-supported minor sports. Just ask the mid-2000s.
 
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It really shouldn't have to be either/or. The overall pool of fans and potential fans of the Wisconsin Badgers is big enough to have a few big-time sports in addition to some well-supported minor sports. Just ask the mid-2000s.

well fans is one thing, support from admin is another but I think they go hand in hand more often then not

So with that in mind:
Do we have an example of a D1 school where Hockey is supported as much as football or basketball?

Wisconsin? No.
Michigan? No.
Minnesota? YES!!!
tOSU? No.
Michigan State? No.
Notre Dame? No.


It's only when you drill down into schools who have no football/basketball history to speak of or are too small to support more than 1-2 major programs where you find schools who really support hockey: Denver, Michigan Tech, North Dakota, St. Cloud State, Maine, Boston College, Boston University and on and on

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Re: Wisconsin Hockey XXXIV: A Season without Chuck

It really shouldn't have to be either/or. The overall pool of fans and potential fans of the Wisconsin Badgers is big enough to have a few big-time sports in addition to some well-supported minor sports. Just ask the mid-2000s.

It really does make me think that they have enforced some sort of budgetary restraints on the hockey program at this point. Goodness knows that they would spend every single dollar that they would/can on the men's basketball and football program, but the complete lack of interest that they are showing towards the hockey program is stunning. (Seriously, the best ticket promotion right now is buy 3 tickets and get 1 sandwich.)

We are only a few years removed from seeing 12-13,000 people in the seats every single weekend (with the exception of exhibition games, of course) but now we have the lowest Friday and Saturday night attendance since the move to the Kohl Center. I do have hopes that this team can turn it around a bit this season, but when we are hoping for a double digit win season from the program that just leaves me feeling pretty bummed about the state of the program.
 
Re: Wisconsin Hockey XXXIV: A Season without Chuck

well fans is one thing, support from admin is another but I think they go hand in hand more often then not

So with that in mind:
Do we have an example of a D1 school where Hockey is supported as much as football or basketball?

Wisconsin? No.
Michigan? No.
Minnesota? YES!!!
tOSU? No.
Michigan State? No.
Notre Dame? No.


It's only when you drill down into schools who have no football/basketball history to speak of or are too small to support more than 1-2 major programs where you find schools who really support hockey: Denver, Michigan Tech, North Dakota, St. Cloud State, Maine, Boston College, Boston University and on and on

.02

This feels kind of odd for me to say...but I mostly agree with solo
 
Re: Wisconsin Hockey XXXIV: A Season without Chuck

It really does make me think that they have enforced some sort of budgetary restraints on the hockey program at this point. Goodness knows that they would spend every single dollar that they would/can on the men's basketball and football program, but the complete lack of interest that they are showing towards the hockey program is stunning. (Seriously, the best ticket promotion right now is buy 3 tickets and get 1 sandwich.)

We are only a few years removed from seeing 12-13,000 people in the seats every single weekend (with the exception of exhibition games, of course) but now we have the lowest Friday and Saturday night attendance since the move to the Kohl Center. I do have hopes that this team can turn it around a bit this season, but when we are hoping for a double digit win season from the program that just leaves me feeling pretty bummed about the state of the program.

I guess they have problems with math up there in the Athletic Dept. 2,000 less people * $20 per person * 20 home games = $800,000 even before concessions, etc. Makes that buyout money look like chump change when you consider this is year after year of declining attendance. A new face, a new more dynamic system and get the ship turned around. Mike Hastings shows how it can be done in short order over there at MSU.
 
Re: Wisconsin Hockey XXXIV: A Season without Chuck

well fans is one thing, support from admin is another but I think they go hand in hand more often then not

So with that in mind:
Do we have an example of a D1 school where Hockey is supported as much as football or basketball?

Wisconsin? No.
Michigan? No.
Minnesota? YES!!!
tOSU? No.
Michigan State? No.
Notre Dame? No.


It's only when you drill down into schools who have no football/basketball history to speak of or are too small to support more than 1-2 major programs where you find schools who really support hockey: Denver, Michigan Tech, North Dakota, St. Cloud State, Maine, Boston College, Boston University and on and on

.02

I'm not sure I follow this. If you're saying that the administration supports the second group more and the fan support follows-- Outside of UND last year none of those other schools enjoyed the fan support of even the sad showing Badger fans mustered last weekend and none are at or near capacity.

Denver, 4707; 78%

Michigan Tech, 3431; 76%

St. Cloud State, 4398 85%

Maine, 4184; 81%

Boston College, 5221; 66%

BU, 4787; 77%

And Michigan, Michigan State, and Notre Dame where you're saying the administration doesn't support hockey to the same extent, fan support is all closer to capacity:

Michigan, 5516; 95.1%

Michigan State; 5733; 88.6%

Notre Dame; 4479; 89.2%
 
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I guess they have problems with math up there in the Athletic Dept. 2,000 less people * $20 per person * 20 home games = $800,000 even before concessions, etc. Makes that buyout money look like chump change when you consider this is year after year of declining attendance. A new face, a new more dynamic system and get the ship turned around. Mike Hastings shows how it can be done in short order over there at MSU.

Not to mention the compounding losses from disinterest. (Future dollars!) The more fans lose disinterest, the less appealing (and therefore valuable) the experience of attending games is. Even beyond gate revenue, overall interest takes a hit, and it would do so even without the disappointing TV coverage.
 
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Not to mention the compounding losses from disinterest. (Future dollars!)

This is a real problem.

In TJk's example it depends on what the cost of sales is for those 2000 more tickets are etc., but below a certain level of attendance the atmosphere is bad and that will send it into a more permanent downward spiral. I'm not sure UW will be able to do much of anything in terms with promotions if these guys aren't competitive, but whatever they do I'd expect it later in the year when they can probably get a little more bang for their buck. I think there's 5 straight home weekends after the break. I'd spend whatever budget I have more around that I suppose.
 
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Does someone see a trend here? I don't know if I can see it.

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I was dying to see this info....thanks a ton. I knew what I thought it might look like that, I just needed confirmation. I want to give Strand and Bittner an honest chance, but if I knew hiring a new head coach would get the KC filled with excited fans, I'd pull the plug on it right now. The truth is even if MM, Strand and Bittner resurrect things (ncaa appearance next year), the negative perception of the program would be hard to overcome.

I encourage any and all disgruntled men's fans to go the a women's game...fast paced with high end talent. They had over 100 sog and 15 goals this weekend. Not that every opponent is as weak as OSU, but the UW women's team is top end, as you all know. If it wasn't for the success of that program I'd be on anti-depressants.
 
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I'm not sure I follow this. If you're saying that the administration supports the second group more and the fan support follows-- Outside of UND last year none of those other schools enjoyed the fan support of even the sad showing Badger fans mustered last weekend and none are at or near capacity.

Denver, 4707; 78%

Michigan Tech, 3431; 76%

St. Cloud State, 4398 85%

Maine, 4184; 81%

Boston College, 5221; 66%

BU, 4787; 77%

And Michigan, Michigan State, and Notre Dame where you're saying the administration doesn't support hockey to the same extent, fan support is all closer to capacity:

Michigan, 5516; 95.1%

Michigan State; 5733; 88.6%

Notre Dame; 4479; 89.2%

It's a shame that we are approaching these levels, now we're just like the rest. Big recruiting advantage lost by not being able to say you'll get to play in front of 15,000 fans in a rockin house. You can't tell me a high school kid didn't used to be jacked up on a recruiting trip when the house was packed, now it's almost embarrassing.

I'd have been back at games in a second if they'd have hired a new coach. We're all diehard fans on here that would love to throw our support behind a new coaching staff. Just a huge mistake bringing Eaves back.

Anyone else scared as hell that we go close to .500 this year and they give Eaves a contract extension? I have night sweats about this.
 
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It really does make me think that they have enforced some sort of budgetary restraints on the hockey program at this point. Goodness knows that they would spend every single dollar that they would/can on the men's basketball and football program, but the complete lack of interest that they are showing towards the hockey program is stunning. (Seriously, the best ticket promotion right now is buy 3 tickets and get 1 sandwich.)

Besides the on-ice product being poor right now, it's stunning that the athletic department is unable/unwilling to do any kind significant pricing promotions. Season tickets only offer about a 16% discount plus you have to lock into Friday or Saturday night. And the Cousins sandwich 3-pack is almost laughable. A free sub as a reward to buying 3 tickets at full price? C'mon. In addition, I think it's a huge mistake not to offer more tiered pricing for seat location/opponent/kids etc.

Seems like they are just assuming that the team will get better and the big crowds will just magically come back. Good luck with that strategy.
 
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Besides the on-ice product being poor right now, it's stunning that the athletic department is unable/unwilling to do any kind significant pricing promotions. Season tickets only offer about a 16% discount plus you have to lock into Friday or Saturday night. And the Cousins sandwich 3-pack is almost laughable. A free sub as a reward to buying 3 tickets at full price? C'mon. In addition, I think it's a huge mistake not to offer more tiered pricing for seat location/opponent/kids etc.

Seems like they are just assuming that the team will get better and the big crowds will just magically come back. Good luck with that strategy.

I've been wanting to post these same thoughts, thanks for reading my mind. I love Cousins subs, but they aren't THAT big of a reason for buying 3 full price tickets. Now if it was buy 3 tickets and get a free full rack of Outback Steakhouse ribs, I'd be attending every home game multiple times.
 
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I've been wanting to post these same thoughts, thanks for reading my mind. I love Cousins subs, but they aren't THAT big of a reason for buying 3 full price tickets. Now if it was buy 3 tickets and get a free full rack of Outback Steakhouse ribs, I'd be attending every home game multiple times.

The benefit to the 2nd and 3rd levels being empty is that you can easily get some Family 4 packs and get much better seats than the 3rd level (would you want to do such a thing.) My favorite seats in the building were always in the first row on the corners of the 3rd deck.
 
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