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Wisconsin Hockey Vol. XXXII: No Where To Go But Up!
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Wisko McBadgerton
Teaching you how to Bucky.
Re: Wisconsin Hockey Vol. XXXII: No Where To Go But Up!
I've been wondering about this attendance deal for some time. Since I seem to like tables and graphs, here are some for Wisconsin and some other teams:
<a href="http://imgur.com/42yQqqZ"><img src="http://i.imgur.com/42yQqqZ.jpg" title="source: imgur.com" /></a>
<a href="http://imgur.com/aswgAti"><img src="http://i.imgur.com/aswgAti.jpg" title="source: imgur.com" /></a>
<a href="http://imgur.com/X8VArFz"><img src="http://i.imgur.com/X8VArFz.jpg" title="source: imgur.com" /></a>
I did my best to eliminate things like stadium games and be accurate, but no guarantees as it's only as accurate as the sources. It was a bit of a random selection of teams, the only criteria was that they weren't at capacity currently, as there isn't room for fluctuation up or down in those places.
Make of it what you will.
I've been wondering about this attendance deal for some time. Since I seem to like tables and graphs, here are some for Wisconsin and some other teams:
<a href="http://imgur.com/42yQqqZ"><img src="http://i.imgur.com/42yQqqZ.jpg" title="source: imgur.com" /></a>
<a href="http://imgur.com/aswgAti"><img src="http://i.imgur.com/aswgAti.jpg" title="source: imgur.com" /></a>
<a href="http://imgur.com/X8VArFz"><img src="http://i.imgur.com/X8VArFz.jpg" title="source: imgur.com" /></a>
I did my best to eliminate things like stadium games and be accurate, but no guarantees as it's only as accurate as the sources. It was a bit of a random selection of teams, the only criteria was that they weren't at capacity currently, as there isn't room for fluctuation up or down in those places.
Make of it what you will.
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Gurtholfin
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Re: Wisconsin Hockey Vol. XXXII: No Where To Go But Up!
Wisko...
Are those paid attendance numbers or actual attendance?
I'm guessing paid.
You're not here. You don't experience how empty and lifeless the place is most of the time.
I guess any argument to support that there's nothing wrong or that we're the same as everyone else, so why worry about it?
Are you Eaves' PR guy?
Wisko...
Are those paid attendance numbers or actual attendance?
I'm guessing paid.
You're not here. You don't experience how empty and lifeless the place is most of the time.
I guess any argument to support that there's nothing wrong or that we're the same as everyone else, so why worry about it?
Are you Eaves' PR guy?
Wisko McBadgerton
Teaching you how to Bucky.
Re: Wisconsin Hockey Vol. XXXII: No Where To Go But Up!
They are fairly flat. Surprised? If similar is that they have 75% and 65% capacity of the KC, then yes, they are practically identical.
They are fairly flat. Surprised? If similar is that they have 75% and 65% capacity of the KC, then yes, they are practically identical.
Wisko McBadgerton
Teaching you how to Bucky.
Re: Wisconsin Hockey Vol. XXXII: No Where To Go But Up!
I'm not aware of any available attendance numbers that aren't in paid attendance so obviously I also can't say what paid vs. actual is anywhere else either. But I didn't set out to make a point, I was just curious if here is the only place attendance has fallen. Last year UW sited economic factors as contributing some to attendance woes. I don't recall that being well received. I had some time last night so I looked around at programs that draw less than capacity to see if there was a trend. (IMO being at capacity has a way of creating it's own demand but that's a different thing.) I was surprised as anyone else to find there seems to be one. I thought I would share the info since I took the time to look into it and I thought it interesting.
Having said that, I certainly expect most everyone here to scoff and presume an agenda and that Wisconsin should be immune to any trends anyway. That's fair enough. But I just recorded this stuff, I didn't create it. Eaves is probably destroying 80% of college hockey for all I know.
I'm not aware of any available attendance numbers that aren't in paid attendance so obviously I also can't say what paid vs. actual is anywhere else either. But I didn't set out to make a point, I was just curious if here is the only place attendance has fallen. Last year UW sited economic factors as contributing some to attendance woes. I don't recall that being well received. I had some time last night so I looked around at programs that draw less than capacity to see if there was a trend. (IMO being at capacity has a way of creating it's own demand but that's a different thing.) I was surprised as anyone else to find there seems to be one. I thought I would share the info since I took the time to look into it and I thought it interesting.
Having said that, I certainly expect most everyone here to scoff and presume an agenda and that Wisconsin should be immune to any trends anyway. That's fair enough. But I just recorded this stuff, I didn't create it. Eaves is probably destroying 80% of college hockey for all I know.
Re: Wisconsin Hockey Vol. XXXII: No Where To Go But Up!
I've heard that as well.
I've heard that as well.
Re: Wisconsin Hockey Vol. XXXII: No Where To Go But Up!
wisconsin is one of few schools to release ticket scan numbers later, right? I remember checking it out as it was interesting.
Re: Wisconsin Hockey Vol. XXXII: No Where To Go But Up!
Sorry for thinking the Kohl was similar to Mariucchi and the Ralph in being buildings North of 10K capacity in tradition rich programs with enough fan base to fill their buildings. You are right. It's obvious they are very dissimilar, especially with the Kohl (supposedly) filled to 70% capacity, while the other two are at 100% this year.
By fairly flat, do you mean continuing to be near full capacity?
Sorry for thinking the Kohl was similar to Mariucchi and the Ralph in being buildings North of 10K capacity in tradition rich programs with enough fan base to fill their buildings. You are right. It's obvious they are very dissimilar, especially with the Kohl (supposedly) filled to 70% capacity, while the other two are at 100% this year.
By fairly flat, do you mean continuing to be near full capacity?
Seawolf Fan
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Timothy A
Let's go RED!
Re: Wisconsin Hockey Vol. XXXII: No Where To Go But Up!
$24.00 is dirt cheap? I had no idea.
For those who are concerned about the program, I think you should contact the athletic dept directly. I had some concerns about the women's program, I emailed the fella who is responsible for it a nice mature email about my concerns with my phone number and by golly, he actually called me and we had a nice chat. I don't know who you would actually contact on the men's side, but it would be worth a try.
Totally unrelated....This recycling slogan "Be the We" was not well thought out. The only thing that comes to my mind when I hear that is "we" = urine. That may be appropriate for a school like rodentsota since they have urine colors on their uni's, but not UW.
$24.00 is dirt cheap? I had no idea.
For those who are concerned about the program, I think you should contact the athletic dept directly. I had some concerns about the women's program, I emailed the fella who is responsible for it a nice mature email about my concerns with my phone number and by golly, he actually called me and we had a nice chat. I don't know who you would actually contact on the men's side, but it would be worth a try.
Totally unrelated....This recycling slogan "Be the We" was not well thought out. The only thing that comes to my mind when I hear that is "we" = urine. That may be appropriate for a school like rodentsota since they have urine colors on their uni's, but not UW.
Re: Wisconsin Hockey Vol. XXXII: No Where To Go But Up!
Relative to the Gophers and Whioux, since that's where the discussion had turned. Not cheap overall for D1 hockey.
Wisko McBadgerton
Teaching you how to Bucky.
Re: Wisconsin Hockey Vol. XXXII: No Where To Go But Up!
How does % of capacity fit into it? If I continue on with that logic, you're saying, UW playing in a 8500 capacity building like the Coli and selling out every game 100% would somehow be better and more meaningful than UND selling 98% of the Ralph. (Marriucci is 10,000; the Ralph is 11,634.) You can speculate that MN would sell out a 15k arena every game, but there's no actual evidence for it. 4 Minnesota teams drew 14k to the 18,500 capacity Ex for the Northstar cup. Only 75% of capacity with 4 fan bases to draw on. Wisconsin will probably have close to that this weekend. (90% capacity) There is actual evidence that Wisconsin could sell out a 10-11k arena most every game, the same as both those programs. Then it would be flat and everyone would be happy, I guess. If UW had a 20k seat facility would attendance be an even bigger disaster at 55%?
You may be right, but I'm not sure that because UW drew 14k in 2 of 16 years at the KC, it doesn't necessarily indicate there's ever really been a hockey fanbase big enough to fill it with any consistency. In 2007, (one of those years) College hockey drew 400,000 more fans across the board to regular season games than it did last year. 3.6m in '07 vs. 3.2m in '14. Whether or not that's significant to UW isnt for me to say. May very well be it's just coincidence.
Most of these numbers are through last year btw, so it doesn't take in to account this year's terrible team which will probably effect next year's numbers more anyway.
How does % of capacity fit into it? If I continue on with that logic, you're saying, UW playing in a 8500 capacity building like the Coli and selling out every game 100% would somehow be better and more meaningful than UND selling 98% of the Ralph. (Marriucci is 10,000; the Ralph is 11,634.) You can speculate that MN would sell out a 15k arena every game, but there's no actual evidence for it. 4 Minnesota teams drew 14k to the 18,500 capacity Ex for the Northstar cup. Only 75% of capacity with 4 fan bases to draw on. Wisconsin will probably have close to that this weekend. (90% capacity) There is actual evidence that Wisconsin could sell out a 10-11k arena most every game, the same as both those programs. Then it would be flat and everyone would be happy, I guess. If UW had a 20k seat facility would attendance be an even bigger disaster at 55%?
You may be right, but I'm not sure that because UW drew 14k in 2 of 16 years at the KC, it doesn't necessarily indicate there's ever really been a hockey fanbase big enough to fill it with any consistency. In 2007, (one of those years) College hockey drew 400,000 more fans across the board to regular season games than it did last year. 3.6m in '07 vs. 3.2m in '14. Whether or not that's significant to UW isnt for me to say. May very well be it's just coincidence.
Most of these numbers are through last year btw, so it doesn't take in to account this year's terrible team which will probably effect next year's numbers more anyway.
The KC isn't the liveliest it has ever been but it is far lifeless. I go to every home game, the place isn't quiet.
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Gurtholfin
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Re: Wisconsin Hockey Vol. XXXII: No Where To Go But Up!
As a fan attending games, I give a **** about tickets sold or tickets sold as a percentage of capacity.
What depresses me is being in a 15k stadium watching a game with only 7k people present. It honestly feels like 2k are there as the empty seats can't be ignored and dominate your vision.
Unfortunately, since 3-4k tickets more than butts in the seats are regularly being sold, there's no incentive for the AD to give a **** about the issue. They're still getting paid.
Trust me Wisko, there's a HUGE difference in atmosphere when 11k are in the building versus 7-8k. Doesn't need to be a sellout to be a great atmosphere, but it certainly needs to be much better than has been the norm of the past few seasons.
As a fan attending games, I give a **** about tickets sold or tickets sold as a percentage of capacity.
What depresses me is being in a 15k stadium watching a game with only 7k people present. It honestly feels like 2k are there as the empty seats can't be ignored and dominate your vision.
Unfortunately, since 3-4k tickets more than butts in the seats are regularly being sold, there's no incentive for the AD to give a **** about the issue. They're still getting paid.
Trust me Wisko, there's a HUGE difference in atmosphere when 11k are in the building versus 7-8k. Doesn't need to be a sellout to be a great atmosphere, but it certainly needs to be much better than has been the norm of the past few seasons.
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Gurtholfin
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Re: Wisconsin Hockey Vol. XXXII: No Where To Go But Up!
I must just hit the quiet ones then.
ALL of them over the past 3-4 years...
I must just hit the quiet ones then.
ALL of them over the past 3-4 years...
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Gurtholfin
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Re: Wisconsin Hockey Vol. XXXII: No Where To Go But Up!
Seriously, if someone can't notice how different things have been over the past few seasons in terms of atmosphere compared to what it was 10 years ago, then I don't know what to say.
Other than maybe... where you there 10 years ago?
It's a ****ing morgue in comparison.
Seriously, if someone can't notice how different things have been over the past few seasons in terms of atmosphere compared to what it was 10 years ago, then I don't know what to say.
Other than maybe... where you there 10 years ago?
It's a ****ing morgue in comparison.
drop_the_puck
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Re: Wisconsin Hockey Vol. XXXII: No Where To Go But Up!
Gotta agree with Gurt on this one, chart shows that attendance now isn't much different than attendance right after the Reinprecht Heatley years when I started attending games. It is night and day the difference. Back then, the atmosphere made my family buy season tickets.....now, no longer ticket holders.
Student section used to be full regularly well into the 300 level.
Gotta agree with Gurt on this one, chart shows that attendance now isn't much different than attendance right after the Reinprecht Heatley years when I started attending games. It is night and day the difference. Back then, the atmosphere made my family buy season tickets.....now, no longer ticket holders.
Student section used to be full regularly well into the 300 level.
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