Wisconsin Hockey: Vol. XXI - For every dark night, there's a brighter day

Gurtholfin · May 24, 2012

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Gandalf the Red said:
It sure seems that way, doesn't it. I can understand Boys basketball, barely, but wrestling? UW sold out to the WIAA so that wrestling could bump UW Men's Hockey?

And I thought that UW wrestling was housed in the Field House. Why would high school need a better venue than our college athletes use?

The Field House seems more like wrestling too with it's history including boxing. Sight lines and proximity would be better than the KC also.

Oh well, it's only a few games and I look at this on such a long time horizon (years and years of season tix with many many more to come) that I can't get my a-s-s puckered too much.

Don't think I'll bother with the Coliseum series though. I was nostalgic to go there in 05-ish to see us play UAA in the first round until I got there and remembered what a crap-hole it is compared to the KC.

hockeykrazy · May 24, 2012

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MGoBlueHockey said:
Do any of you guys know what the name of the arena wisconsin played at in the 20s and 30s? Right before they ended the program and then restarted it in the 60s?

I've been looking all over and all I can find is stuff on the "modern era". I'm working on a Michigan Hockey record book of series against B1G schools and I need the name of it.

Really would appreciate it.

After a quick search, according to this it was outdoor rinks primarily at Lake Mendota.

http://host.madison.com/sports/college/hockey/article_4145187e-10e7-11df-b24f-001cc4c03286.html

1923 pictures...
http://digicoll.library.wisc.edu/cg...&did=UW.MeuerV10.i0072&id=UW.MeuerV10&isize=M

1924 teams...
http://digicoll.library.wisc.edu/cg...&did=UW.MeuerV11.i0108&id=UW.MeuerV11&isize=M

Timothy A · May 24, 2012

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Chuck Schwartz said:
These are the concessions that the University had to make to keep the WIAA state tournaments in Madison. The series that will be played at the Coliseum is during the WIAA Boys Bball tournament. The Sunday/Monday series is during the Wrestling tournament.

Wrestling?!?!?!? OMGs. With the boy's HS bb, or any other event, can't UW tell the schedule makers about these dates way, like years, in advance, so they can avoid giving UW home games on these weekends? It just blows my mind they don't coordinate the schedules.

Chuck Schwartz · May 24, 2012

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Listen, I'm as upset as most that there had to be schedule alterations for WIAA events at the Kohl Center, and I've vented these frustrations in the past in other venues. That said, the University had to make some concessions to keep these tournaments in Madison. Moving one hockey series to Sunday/Monday and one series to the Coliseum makes a hell of a lot more sense than losing millions of dollars in revenue in the Madison area for those that travel in annually for state tournaments as well as revenue that the University itself will lose.

As for the wrestling thing specifically, those dates have been locked in for a long time now. It's the hockey schedule makers fault for scheduling the Penn Sate series that weekend. They should have known that wrestling would be here that weekend. Also, it sure as hell looks like there is more than friends and family in the stands to me in this picture:

PS, I hate to be 'that guy' but do you think they will serve beer for that St. Cloud series? I've already been getting questions about it.

REDMEN2002 · May 24, 2012

JDUBBS1280 said:
This was pretty funny.

Uh-oh, someone mentioned tradition/history and left out Minnesota! God forbid!

Chuck Schwartz · May 24, 2012

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REDMEN2002 said:
Uh-oh, someone mentioned tradition/history and left out Minnesota! God forbid!

Don't even think about starting that crap again in this thread. Last thing we need is you and him going at it in a thread neither one of you has a stake in.

wjefwhite · May 24, 2012

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Chuck Schwartz said:
Listen, I'm as upset as most that there had to be schedule alterations for WIAA events at the Kohl Center, and I've vented these frustrations in the past in other venues. That said, the University had to make some concessions to keep these tournaments in Madison. Moving one hockey series to Sunday/Monday and one series to the Coliseum makes a hell of a lot more sense than losing millions of dollars in revenue in the Madison area for those that travel in annually for state tournaments as well as revenue that the University itself will lose.

As for the wrestling thing specifically, those dates have been locked in for a long time now. It's the hockey schedule makers fault for scheduling the Penn Sate series that weekend. They should have known that wrestling would be here that weekend. Also, it sure as hell looks like there is more than friends and family in the stands to me in this picture:

PS, I hate to be 'that guy' but do you think they will serve beer for that St. Cloud series? I've already been getting questions about it.

Yes. The 3 times in the last decadeor so I have been there for UW Hockey they had the beer gardens. !!

Gandalf the Red · May 24, 2012

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Chuck Schwartz said:
Listen, I'm as upset as most that there had to be schedule alterations for WIAA events at the Kohl Center, and I've vented these frustrations in the past in other venues. That said, the University had to make some concessions to keep these tournaments in Madison. Moving one hockey series to Sunday/Monday and one series to the Coliseum makes a hell of a lot more sense than losing millions of dollars in revenue in the Madison area for those that travel in annually for state tournaments as well as revenue that the University itself will lose.

As for the wrestling thing specifically, those dates have been locked in for a long time now. It's the hockey schedule makers fault for scheduling the Penn Sate series that weekend. They should have known that wrestling would be here that weekend. Also, it sure as hell looks like there is more than friends and family in the stands to me in this picture:

PS, I hate to be 'that guy' but do you think they will serve beer for that St. Cloud series? I've already been getting questions about it.

Yeah the upper decks looked packed...

Also, I don't think Green Bay would say they are happy that THEY lost out on the millions of dollars that would have flowed into their city had they moved the BB tournys to GB. I'm not bringing that up to argue tradition or venues or other such ****, but Green Bay was a loser on this deal and lost out on a big economic boost. I'm sure there are many in GB (and elsewhere) who disagree about it making sense to keep all that in Madison, especially for THEIR economic gain. Badger fans lost because we get stuck w/ a sunday/monday series (though I agree on why schedule it that weekend?) and the trip to the Concrete Donut for the St Cloud series.

Chuck Schwartz · May 24, 2012

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Gandalf the Red said:
Yeah the upper decks looked packed...

Also, I don't think Green Bay would say they are happy that THEY lost out on the millions of dollars that would have flowed into their city had they moved the BB tournys to GB. I'm not bringing that up to argue tradition or venues or other such ****, but Green Bay was a loser on this deal and lost out on a big economic boost. I'm sure there are many in GB (and elsewhere) who disagree about it making sense to keep all that in Madison, especially for THEIR economic gain. Badger fans lost because we get stuck w/ a sunday/monday series (though I agree on why schedule it that weekend?) and the trip to the Concrete Donut for the St Cloud series.

I'm not even sure how to respond to this. My point was that tt was worth it to the University and the city of Madison to move a couple hockey series around to make the WIAA happy so they would keep their tournaments in town and thus keep millions of dollars in the Madison area as well as the money the University will make. That's all I'm saying.

No athletic department in their right mind is going to give up those state tournaments to take a hard line on those two series when there were other ways to make it work.

Do we have to like it? No. Does it make sense? Yes.

Gandalf the Red · May 24, 2012

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Got to see Eddie Wittchow play last night. He didn't do anything spectular, though he was a starter and did clang one off the cross bar in the 1st period. He does skate very well, and has one thing you can't teach: size. Needs more meat on his bones, but that will come soon enough. I think he is going to be another in a long line of great Badger defensemen, and I'm very excited to see what he does this Fall. Should be an immediate contributor to the team.

The Gamblers were just a better team last night (all season really). They had a laundry list of kids who will be playing in college next season. The Little brothers were sitting in the next section over, Sean was part of the ceremonial puck drop with other 2010 Clark Cup Champion teammnates who were back in attendence. He had the game winner in that Game 5. Ryan captained the Gamblers for two seasons before coming to Madison.

SCSU Euro · May 24, 2012

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So do we get hotels in the same area as if it was at the Kohl? And that beer this is a for sure? Cuz I know a few people that will make happy

ExileOnDaytonStreet · May 24, 2012

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SCSU Euro said:
So do we get hotels in the same area as if it was at the Kohl? And that beer this is a for sure? Cuz I know a few people that will make happy

Probably yes on the beer.

And there are some hotels on opposite side of John Nolen Drive from the Coliseum.

ExileOnDaytonStreet · May 24, 2012

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Chuck Schwartz said:
Do we have to like it? No. Does it make sense? Yes.

Fair enough. But still: It sucks, and I don't think it bodes well for the already fading profile of this program on campus.

GoBucky! · May 24, 2012

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hockeykrazy said:
After a quick search, according to this it was outdoor rinks primarily at Lake Mendota.

http://host.madison.com/sports/college/hockey/article_4145187e-10e7-11df-b24f-001cc4c03286.html

1923 pictures...
http://digicoll.library.wisc.edu/cg...&did=UW.MeuerV10.i0072&id=UW.MeuerV10&isize=M

1924 teams...
http://digicoll.library.wisc.edu/cg...&did=UW.MeuerV11.i0108&id=UW.MeuerV11&isize=M

That's what I was thinking, the games back then were outdoors. The only gym they had back in those days was the Red Gym and I've never heard of any hockey rink in there.

solovsfett · May 24, 2012

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Chuck Schwartz said:
These are the concessions that the University had to make to keep the WIAA state tournaments in Madison. The series that will be played at the Coliseum is during the WIAA Boys Bball tournament. The Sunday/Monday series is during the Wrestling tournament.

...is there a reason why the hs stuff cannot be held somewhere else in Madison than the KC? I'd have to bet neither tourney will draw as many people as 2 hockey nights at the KC.

solovsfett · May 24, 2012

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ExileOnDaytonStreet said:
I've got $20 on our attendance woes continuing this year and maybe getting worse.

The once proud UW Hockey program will be bumped for circuses and College Jeopardy before you know it.

...they could schedule UW hockey for the pettit center or go to where msoe plays, that might be next on the docket

bucky15 · May 25, 2012

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SCSU Euro said:
So do we get hotels in the same area as if it was at the Kohl? And that beer this is a for sure? Cuz I know a few people that will make happy

This is a pretty nice hotel across the street from the arena.

http://www.starwoodhotels.com/sheraton/property/overview/index.html?propertyID=759

Chuck Schwartz · May 25, 2012

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solovsfett said:
...is there a reason why the hs stuff cannot be held somewhere else in Madison than the KC? I'd have to bet neither tourney will draw as many people as 2 hockey nights at the KC.

The WIAA basically said they will move their tournaments if they didn't get their way. They COULD use the field house and the Coliseum for these events but they used their leverage (kind of ****es me off) to keep these at the Kohl Center.

Personally, I'm more upset with the Sunday/Monday thing than the Coliseum although both kind of make me mad. Wisconsin has a couple bye weeks at the start of the season, and they knew the wrestling tournament was scheduled at the Kohl Center that weekend. That's on the UW athletic department.

That said, it seems like the players are having a better response to the St. Cloud series than we are. I know Keegan Meuer tweeted this: "Our final game in the WCHA will be played at the Dane County Coliseum, if I just heard Brian Posick correct on the radio. So jacked for that"

Obviously Keegan is a local and grew up at the Dane so that should be a cool experience for him. Off the record others have mentioned that they are excited to see what it would be like to get the Coliseum rocking.

I would love to see the University do a ticket deal and sell all tickets for like $10 or something and try to fill the thing both nights. The games aren't on the ticket package so I'm concerned about the crowd. St. Cloud is (in my opinion) a top 5 team in the WCHA next season. Wisconsin should be in that group as well. That series could have serious implications at the end of the year, hopefully the can sell that place out, or close.

hockeykrazy · May 25, 2012

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GoBucky! said:
That's what I was thinking, the games back then were outdoors. The only gym they had back in those days was the Red Gym and I've never heard of any hockey rink in there.

solovsfett · May 25, 2012

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Chuck Schwartz said:
The WIAA basically said they will move their tournaments if they didn't get their way. They COULD use the field house and the Coliseum for these events but they used their leverage (kind of ****es me off) to keep these at the Kohl Center.

Personally, I'm more upset with the Sunday/Monday thing than the Coliseum although both kind of make me mad. Wisconsin has a couple bye weeks at the start of the season, and they knew the wrestling tournament was scheduled at the Kohl Center that weekend. That's on the UW athletic department.

That said, it seems like the players are having a better response to the St. Cloud series than we are. I know Keegan Meuer tweeted this: "Our final game in the WCHA will be played at the Dane County Coliseum, if I just heard Brian Posick correct on the radio. So jacked for that"

Obviously Keegan is a local and grew up at the Dane so that should be a cool experience for him. Off the record others have mentioned that they are excited to see what it would be like to get the Coliseum rocking.

I would love to see the University do a ticket deal and sell all tickets for like $10 or something and try to fill the thing both nights. The games aren't on the ticket package so I'm concerned about the crowd. St. Cloud is (in my opinion) a top 5 team in the WCHA next season. Wisconsin should be in that group as well. That series could have serious implications at the end of the year, hopefully the can sell that place out, or close.

got it. I haven't read up on this and should have.

I'm mostly bent out of shape about the Sunday/Monday thing and the perception that UW hockey is losing clout in madison overall (a concern that's growing w/this fan).

however the Dane County Coliseum games could be great. especially if kids put up the old banners "Canadian Club" and the like (also, I still don't understand why they won't let the kids do the "goalie, sieve, a gopher on a stick" @ the KC...). might inspire some to hand craft a few to sneak into the kohl. and you're right about Meuer, I bet Andringa's been feeding him some great stories over the years re: games @ the DCC

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