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Wisconsin Hockey G2O - Making UW Hockey Great Again
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Re: Wisconsin Hockey G2O - Making UW Hockey Great Again
I don't do much on the boards over the weekends, this is usually my distraction from work...so I'll elaborate a little bit now that I have some time.
As to Greenway and penalties; yup, been seeing way too much of that from him this year. There has to be that line between being an aggressive/annoying player and getting penalties called. If he can learn how to work that line and maintain his levels of aggressiveness while taking 1/2 of the penalties he could be great. He's got a ton of talent and potential, but neither of those things to anyone any good when he is sitting in the box, or the locker room, or the press box because he was suspended.
I don't do much on the boards over the weekends, this is usually my distraction from work...so I'll elaborate a little bit now that I have some time.
As to Greenway and penalties; yup, been seeing way too much of that from him this year. There has to be that line between being an aggressive/annoying player and getting penalties called. If he can learn how to work that line and maintain his levels of aggressiveness while taking 1/2 of the penalties he could be great. He's got a ton of talent and potential, but neither of those things to anyone any good when he is sitting in the box, or the locker room, or the press box because he was suspended.
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I agree with all of this, especially the distraction from work part!
Early frontrunner for understatement of the week: This team needs to find a way to get 3 points this weekend.
I agree with all of this, especially the distraction from work part!
Early frontrunner for understatement of the week: This team needs to find a way to get 3 points this weekend.
Wisko McBadgerton
Teaching you how to Bucky.
Re: Wisconsin Hockey G2O - Making UW Hockey Great Again
Meh... I'm really not onboard for dogging JD too much. In conference games he's got 7 minors, Kunin 7, Frederick 10, Tischke 10. The Fighting at Mich St. there's no excuse for, but he sat his time. I really don't have a problem with the 10 for roughing he got vs. Mich as it was a matching penalty with Boka. If you want a guy that won't back down in a fight for the puck in the corner, sometimes that guy isn't going to back down after the whistle either.
As a team Wisconsin is 45th in PIM and while any penalty is potentially a bad one that (theoretically) costs you the game, Wisconsin and JD aren't taking an inordinate amount at this point. They've got a long way to go to get up there with the big boys like Zent, Plante, the Suters, or Big Mac. I remember Gary Suter once taking 5 in one period. (Which I figured must be a Badger record, so I looked it up and it is, but Sagissor also matched it.)
It's crunch time and the boys have to play with an edge, they have to dictate play and make the other guys try and take it away from them. If they cross the line it might cost them, but I'd rather that, then lose by sitting back and getting run over. Let 'em know your there, boys!
Meh... I'm really not onboard for dogging JD too much. In conference games he's got 7 minors, Kunin 7, Frederick 10, Tischke 10. The Fighting at Mich St. there's no excuse for, but he sat his time. I really don't have a problem with the 10 for roughing he got vs. Mich as it was a matching penalty with Boka. If you want a guy that won't back down in a fight for the puck in the corner, sometimes that guy isn't going to back down after the whistle either.
As a team Wisconsin is 45th in PIM and while any penalty is potentially a bad one that (theoretically) costs you the game, Wisconsin and JD aren't taking an inordinate amount at this point. They've got a long way to go to get up there with the big boys like Zent, Plante, the Suters, or Big Mac. I remember Gary Suter once taking 5 in one period. (Which I figured must be a Badger record, so I looked it up and it is, but Sagissor also matched it.)
It's crunch time and the boys have to play with an edge, they have to dictate play and make the other guys try and take it away from them. If they cross the line it might cost them, but I'd rather that, then lose by sitting back and getting run over. Let 'em know your there, boys!
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Re: Wisconsin Hockey G2O - Making UW Hockey Great Again
After a couple of very close games that ended up in a split, here is where we are:
18-11-1
We continue to climb, now up to 238 votes, good for 16th place in the poll
RPI jumps up to 13
PWR also climbs to 13
Team O, 3.74 - 7th
Team D, 3.23 - 45th
PP, 35/156 22.44% - 9th
PK, 113/130 86.9% - 5th
This week we head to Penn State
20-8-2
506 votes, good for 11th
RPI - 9
PWR - 9
Team O, 4.17 - 1st
Team D, 2.67 - 23rd
PP, 28/141 19.86% - 18th
PK, 97/116 83.6% - 25th
A few common threads will continue to be relevant and predictable this weekend...
Score early and score often
Maximize special teams
B1G teams aren't going to shut you out
Early and Often
Both teams thrive when they have an early lead. Wisconsin is 9-0-0 when leading after 1 and 11-4-1 when leading after 2. PSU is 16-2-1 when leading after 1 and 10-4-1 when leading after 2.
Not surprisingly, since they have had 19 games where they lead after the first, PSU puts up more goals in the first than any other period. Wisconsin, as you saw against Minnesota, has turned into a second period team. Defensively, UW allows the most goals in the first and PSU allows the least goals in the first. If Wisconsin wants to be successful, they will need to get goals in the first period.
Special Teams
Wisconsin is better in both categories. We score more often on the PP and we kill more often on the PK. The big thing to look at is how often we can expect to see the special teams on the ice. Wisconsin has had 156 PP attempts and 130 PK situations; PSU has had 141 PP tries, but has only been on 116 PKs. Wisconsin can capitalize on the PP, but how often are they going to get the chance?
Everyone Scores
So far this season in conference play, 4 of 6 teams are averaging better than 3.5 goals per game. Not surprisingly, all of the teams are allowing 3.0 goals per game or worse
Only 3 games have ended in shutouts.
24-Feb = Michigan 1 / Ohio State 0
20-Jan = Michigan State 3 / Michigan 0
6-Jan = Penn State 0 / Ohio State 3
Honestly, I was expecting to see shutouts against the Michigan schools, they are at the bottom of the Team O in conference play with 2.5 (Michigan) and 2.38 (Michigan State). It was kind of odd to see Ohio State and Penn State being shut out, they are tied for 3rd in conference with 3.69 per game.
Also surprising was that the teams earning the shutouts are the bottom half of Team D ranks. Ohio State at 3.25, Michigan State at 3.75, Michigan at 4.12.
I guess this all goes to show that anything can happen on any given Friday or Saturday...Or the occasional Thursday
I don't know what to expect this year. Penn State has been solid at home, but hasn't played the most aggressive non-con schedule so those numbers are slightly skewed.
I'd like to see UW come out with 4+ points, but a split could be entirely reasonable.
After a couple of very close games that ended up in a split, here is where we are:
18-11-1
We continue to climb, now up to 238 votes, good for 16th place in the poll
RPI jumps up to 13
PWR also climbs to 13
Team O, 3.74 - 7th
Team D, 3.23 - 45th
PP, 35/156 22.44% - 9th
PK, 113/130 86.9% - 5th
This week we head to Penn State
20-8-2
506 votes, good for 11th
RPI - 9
PWR - 9
Team O, 4.17 - 1st
Team D, 2.67 - 23rd
PP, 28/141 19.86% - 18th
PK, 97/116 83.6% - 25th
A few common threads will continue to be relevant and predictable this weekend...
Score early and score often
Maximize special teams
B1G teams aren't going to shut you out
Early and Often
Both teams thrive when they have an early lead. Wisconsin is 9-0-0 when leading after 1 and 11-4-1 when leading after 2. PSU is 16-2-1 when leading after 1 and 10-4-1 when leading after 2.
Not surprisingly, since they have had 19 games where they lead after the first, PSU puts up more goals in the first than any other period. Wisconsin, as you saw against Minnesota, has turned into a second period team. Defensively, UW allows the most goals in the first and PSU allows the least goals in the first. If Wisconsin wants to be successful, they will need to get goals in the first period.
Special Teams
Wisconsin is better in both categories. We score more often on the PP and we kill more often on the PK. The big thing to look at is how often we can expect to see the special teams on the ice. Wisconsin has had 156 PP attempts and 130 PK situations; PSU has had 141 PP tries, but has only been on 116 PKs. Wisconsin can capitalize on the PP, but how often are they going to get the chance?
Everyone Scores
So far this season in conference play, 4 of 6 teams are averaging better than 3.5 goals per game. Not surprisingly, all of the teams are allowing 3.0 goals per game or worse
Only 3 games have ended in shutouts.
24-Feb = Michigan 1 / Ohio State 0
20-Jan = Michigan State 3 / Michigan 0
6-Jan = Penn State 0 / Ohio State 3
Honestly, I was expecting to see shutouts against the Michigan schools, they are at the bottom of the Team O in conference play with 2.5 (Michigan) and 2.38 (Michigan State). It was kind of odd to see Ohio State and Penn State being shut out, they are tied for 3rd in conference with 3.69 per game.
Also surprising was that the teams earning the shutouts are the bottom half of Team D ranks. Ohio State at 3.25, Michigan State at 3.75, Michigan at 4.12.
I guess this all goes to show that anything can happen on any given Friday or Saturday...Or the occasional Thursday
I don't know what to expect this year. Penn State has been solid at home, but hasn't played the most aggressive non-con schedule so those numbers are slightly skewed.
I'd like to see UW come out with 4+ points, but a split could be entirely reasonable.
Re: Wisconsin Hockey G2O - Making UW Hockey Great Again
Nice meeting you to Timothy...too bad we couldn't chat more, but I had my hands full of concession items
Anyway, it was a great time, and I will be back down to a game next year...the girls are exciting to watch, and they are great sports...even tossing over some autographed pucks to my daughter and her friends!
<img src="http://i.imgur.com/TvXABEi.jpg" />
Nice meeting you to Timothy...too bad we couldn't chat more, but I had my hands full of concession items
Anyway, it was a great time, and I will be back down to a game next year...the girls are exciting to watch, and they are great sports...even tossing over some autographed pucks to my daughter and her friends!
<img src="http://i.imgur.com/TvXABEi.jpg" />
ExileOnDaytonStreet
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Re: Wisconsin Hockey G2O - Making UW Hockey Great Again
Badger party at MSG: Brendan Smith traded to the Rangers, joins McD and Stepan.
Badger party at MSG: Brendan Smith traded to the Rangers, joins McD and Stepan.
ChrisTheTurk
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Re: Wisconsin Hockey G2O - Making UW Hockey Great Again
Somewhat off topic, but Brendan Smith just got traded to the Rangers in exchange for a 2018 2nd and 2017 3rd round pick. Wings do not retain any of his salary.
So that's Stepan, McDonaugh and now Smith on the same squad. In case you're looking for an NHL rooting interest come the playoffs.
Somewhat off topic, but Brendan Smith just got traded to the Rangers in exchange for a 2018 2nd and 2017 3rd round pick. Wings do not retain any of his salary.
So that's Stepan, McDonaugh and now Smith on the same squad. In case you're looking for an NHL rooting interest come the playoffs.
Timothy A
Let's go RED!
Re: Wisconsin Hockey G2O - Making UW Hockey Great Again
Super stoked about the trade.....I like the Wings, though not as much now, but I love the Rangers. The Rangers sure could use Pavs, that is for sure, but what team couldn't use Pavs.
Super stoked about the trade.....I like the Wings, though not as much now, but I love the Rangers. The Rangers sure could use Pavs, that is for sure, but what team couldn't use Pavs.
Wisko McBadgerton
Teaching you how to Bucky.
Re: Wisconsin Hockey G2O - Making UW Hockey Great Again
Nic Kerdiles had to use the drive through for his "cup of coffee" in the show, as the Ducks traded for and signed Patrick Eaves over the top of him and sent Nic back to the Gulls after his one game. Perhaps the Rangers should look to sign Kerdiles away too, as it seems like the Ducks haven't displayed a ton of confidence in him. When he jumped ship here it looked like he would have a very good shot to make the big club, but the Ducks signed several guys over the top of him that summer as well.
Nic Kerdiles had to use the drive through for his "cup of coffee" in the show, as the Ducks traded for and signed Patrick Eaves over the top of him and sent Nic back to the Gulls after his one game. Perhaps the Rangers should look to sign Kerdiles away too, as it seems like the Ducks haven't displayed a ton of confidence in him. When he jumped ship here it looked like he would have a very good shot to make the big club, but the Ducks signed several guys over the top of him that summer as well.
Re: Wisconsin Hockey G2O - Making UW Hockey Great Again
So hard to see Badgers go to a team like the Rangers.... Blech.
So hard to see Badgers go to a team like the Rangers.... Blech.
GBBadger14
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I think he was kind of stuck between a rock and a hard place after 2013-14 at UW. Probably could've used another year at UW, but you couldn't really blame him for leaving with how empty the cupboard was about to be. Also didn't help that he's had some injury issues since he went pro.
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My daughter plays hockey, wondering what age group your daughter plays? Mine has played both U10 and U12 this season. Both are going to State Tournament so I'm off to balmy Superior this weekend and Hudson next weekend lol.
Nice meeting you to Timothy...too bad we couldn't chat more, but I had my hands full of concession items
Anyway, it was a great time, and I will be back down to a game next year...the girls are exciting to watch, and they are great sports...even tossing over some autographed pucks to my daughter and her friends!
<img src="http://i.imgur.com/TvXABEi.jpg" />
My daughter plays hockey, wondering what age group your daughter plays? Mine has played both U10 and U12 this season. Both are going to State Tournament so I'm off to balmy Superior this weekend and Hudson next weekend lol.
MadCityRich
20 Years and Counting
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Cool pic! Shout out to Mosinee! Could there be another shut-out queen in the future?
Nice meeting you to Timothy...too bad we couldn't chat more, but I had my hands full of concession items
Anyway, it was a great time, and I will be back down to a game next year...the girls are exciting to watch, and they are great sports...even tossing over some autographed pucks to my daughter and her friends!
<img src="http://i.imgur.com/TvXABEi.jpg" />
Cool pic! Shout out to Mosinee! Could there be another shut-out queen in the future?
Timothy A
Let's go RED!
Re: Wisconsin Hockey G2O - Making UW Hockey Great Again
That's what hockey is all about right there. Hopefully you gave Coach Koch contact info, looks like some future UW players for sure.
Nice meeting you to Timothy...too bad we couldn't chat more, but I had my hands full of concession items
Anyway, it was a great time, and I will be back down to a game next year...the girls are exciting to watch, and they are great sports...even tossing over some autographed pucks to my daughter and her friends!
<img src="http://i.imgur.com/TvXABEi.jpg" />
That's what hockey is all about right there. Hopefully you gave Coach Koch contact info, looks like some future UW players for sure.
Re: Wisconsin Hockey G2O - Making UW Hockey Great Again
They entered the NCAA tournament 4th overall nationally and were buried on UW-specific outlets...it will be an extremely long road to get the enthusiasm back on track. It's not just about bringing fans back, it's about building the new fan base largely from scratch, and teaching them what the heck college hockey actually is.
They entered the NCAA tournament 4th overall nationally and were buried on UW-specific outlets...it will be an extremely long road to get the enthusiasm back on track. It's not just about bringing fans back, it's about building the new fan base largely from scratch, and teaching them what the heck college hockey actually is.
ExileOnDaytonStreet
Drunkard
It's worse than that...
They entered at 3rd nationally that year: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_NCAA_Division_I_Men's_Ice_Hockey_Tournament#Qualifying_teams
I was talking about 2013-14. Even diehard fans completely forget that, and fans who are anything short of diehard never noticed in the first place. I always describe that year as a "lost season contained in a bubble" when describing the downfall to older Badgers fans who saw men's hockey as "big" (even if they didn't follow it closely) and when describing it to newer fans to illustrate the crazy mismatch between the team's previous success and reputation and what new fans see now. Wins and losses were a miniscule part of that.
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