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Re: Wisconsin Hockey: Episode XXXI: A New Hope
It's not a forgone conclusion by any means, and it may not be realistic at all. But we're only talking about developing a few more kids in total each year. Regardless, here's what I do see in FL:
Overall growth in USA Hockey participants is up just under 50% over the last decade or so in Florida to around 12k. This growth comes despite Florida being one of, if not the, hardest hit states by the recession. Now that the recession is easing the economy is heating up, I'd personally expect growth to continue at a greater pace. (By comparison Wisconsin has been steady or down slightly over the same time period at around 17.5k participants.)
While cost is a huge issue in hockey growth, it's really not significantly more expensive for U-16's to play here than it is anywhere else. Plus Florida has over 1.3 million households above six figure annual incomes, and the top 1% have an average annual income above $8.5 million! The capital available in Florida despite the recession is really mind-boggling.
Agree that the high end infrastructure is not here yet and most top players head north to Canada, or prep schools, or elite teams elsewhere. But with two NHL teams (and 3 minor teams) pouring money and/or effort into youth development, the quality opportunities for U-16's is improving rapidly, and it should logically follow that Junior level programs will also improve in player development. If somehow the Lightning could snag another cup, things could explode much the way it has in Illinois. (But with 8 million more in population to draw from than Illinois)
Florida does have some great youth coaching. You can hardly go to a rink in Florida without tripping over former NHL'ers coaching kids. The small nearby rink I use has a scary Sunday league that is just filthy with former pros (First thing they tell you when you ask is that you DO NOT want to play in that league.) and quite a few are involved in youth programs.
The other thing Florida has that isn't so apparent in other places is a large population of Canadians and New Englander's that just culturally want to have and support hockey programs. I'm optimistic about hockey in Wisconsin, but there's a lot of upside possible in Florida as well.
And now back to our regularly scheduled programming.
It's an interesting topic, and your point isn't ridiculous, that's for sure. When all is said and done though, I don't think we'll see the number of players from Florida surpass the number of players from Wisconsin any time soon.
While both state's have seen the number of players they have produced grow (Florida from 2 players to 17 players and Wisconsin from 27 players to 39 players in the last 10 years), I think that the potential for future growth in Wisconsin is much larger.
Sure, Florida's population is much larger, but the cost to play is much greater. The only option that kids have to play at a remotely high level in Florida is Tier 1. That is spendy, especially in places like Florida where necessary travel is extensive. The infrastructure isn't there for big growth in cheaper options, so I doubt any cheaper, competitive options develop there any time soon.
While I think it is great to see the growth of hockey in non-traditinal markets, I think people often forget the room for growth was extensive and the gains are going to be diminishing because of costs. In my opinion Wisconsin is a market that is just beginning to really tap into the potential that is there. Illinois as well.
It's not a forgone conclusion by any means, and it may not be realistic at all. But we're only talking about developing a few more kids in total each year. Regardless, here's what I do see in FL:
Overall growth in USA Hockey participants is up just under 50% over the last decade or so in Florida to around 12k. This growth comes despite Florida being one of, if not the, hardest hit states by the recession. Now that the recession is easing the economy is heating up, I'd personally expect growth to continue at a greater pace. (By comparison Wisconsin has been steady or down slightly over the same time period at around 17.5k participants.)
While cost is a huge issue in hockey growth, it's really not significantly more expensive for U-16's to play here than it is anywhere else. Plus Florida has over 1.3 million households above six figure annual incomes, and the top 1% have an average annual income above $8.5 million! The capital available in Florida despite the recession is really mind-boggling.
Agree that the high end infrastructure is not here yet and most top players head north to Canada, or prep schools, or elite teams elsewhere. But with two NHL teams (and 3 minor teams) pouring money and/or effort into youth development, the quality opportunities for U-16's is improving rapidly, and it should logically follow that Junior level programs will also improve in player development. If somehow the Lightning could snag another cup, things could explode much the way it has in Illinois. (But with 8 million more in population to draw from than Illinois)
Florida does have some great youth coaching. You can hardly go to a rink in Florida without tripping over former NHL'ers coaching kids. The small nearby rink I use has a scary Sunday league that is just filthy with former pros (First thing they tell you when you ask is that you DO NOT want to play in that league.) and quite a few are involved in youth programs.
The other thing Florida has that isn't so apparent in other places is a large population of Canadians and New Englander's that just culturally want to have and support hockey programs. I'm optimistic about hockey in Wisconsin, but there's a lot of upside possible in Florida as well.
And now back to our regularly scheduled programming.