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Wisconsin Hockey: Episode XXXI: A New Hope

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Hammy said:
At some point, you have to quit looking at them like a pee wee player. Yes, he has every right to do what he wants... but there are also consequences for such decisions. You quit on your team at mid-season and you are going to put your character and mental toughness into question. If he wants to play hockey simply for kicks, then go play intramural.

If he sticks with it, he basically deals with it three more months. Is that tough? Hardly. If he finishes it out, he develops some character for seeing it through and people don't see him as a quitter that can't take the adversity. Any future coach he might have is going to have to wonder, "Is this kid going to quit on me and his team here too?"
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Agree 100%. Hate seeing kids bail mid season. Play the season out, re-evaluate, then make a move if you want. Leaving mid-season is taking a crap on your teammates.

Just my $0.02
 
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lmg6841 said:
Really though? We're talking about a young adult here, if there's any time in his life that playing hockey should be about enjoying the experience it's now. Also, if he felt his time or talent was being wasted then he should have every right to up and leave and the scrutiny should fall on the program.
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He's also stupidly throwing away a 4 yr scholarship to one of the best universities in the country, very short sighted. He can't see that they have more talent coming in next year and that things are going to get better? Very short sighted. He doesn't see all these former UW D playing in the nhl? Sure, he may not be as talented, but the potential is there to become one. Very short sighted. He doesn't see the value in taking some lumps as a Fr playing in every game so his next 3 years can be the best they can be? Very short sighted. One of my sons is also the short sighted type, it drives me crazy. Can you tell?
 
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Timothy A said:
He's also stupidly throwing away a 4 yr scholarship to one of the best universities in the country, very short sighted. He can't see that they have more talent coming in next year and that things are going to get better? Very short sighted. He doesn't see all these former UW D playing in the nhl? Sure, he may not be as talented, but the potential is there to become one. Very short sighted. He doesn't see the value in taking some lumps as a Fr playing in every game so his next 3 years can be the best they can be? Very short sighted. One of my sons is also the short sighted type, it drives me crazy. Can you tell?
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A paid for degree for a guy his physical size is what he should have been aiming for. Not too many defense men his size playing NHL
 
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Timmy, did somebody steal your computer? That post is very unlike you.

Unless you are walking in his shoes, you cannot criticize. (I guess you can, but it doesn't hold water.) No one knows what he's going thru'. If you, #1, don't like your job, #2, you're miserable, and #3, you hate getting out of bed to go to work, you ****ing quit and find something else.

Within the past 5 years, I left a lucrative position for the above reasons. $$$ was good, but #1, #2, and #3 were killing me. I wasn't considered a quitter and ford shouldn't be. I think he probably sat down with Pat, told him wazzup, wasn't happy and moved on.

EDIT: I'm not a touchy, feely, coom by ya :rolleyes:, kind of guy, so don't lay that on me!!
 
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MadCityRich said:
Unless you are walking in his shoes, you cannot criticize. (I guess you can, but it doesn't hold water.) No one knows what he's going thru'. If you, #1, don't like your job, #2, you're miserable, and #3, you hate getting out of bed to go to work, you ****ing quit and find something else.

Within the past 5 years, I left a lucrative position for the above reasons. $$$ was good, but #1, #2, and #3 were killing me. I wasn't considered a quitter and ford shouldn't be. I think he probably sat down with Pat, told him wazzup, wasn't happy and moved on.
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I think what people are upset about is the selfishness of the decision.
 
MadCityRich said:
Respectfully, I don't see it.
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Ditching the team mid-season because he didn't like how they were performing saying it wasn't fun anymore? Seems selfish to me.

BTW, Ford was probably the 7th best defenseman on the team. Davison and Linhart definitely outperformed him.

Speaking of Linhart, I really like how he plays.
 
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I pretty much agree with all you guys, including the gofers and touchy-feely, MCR. :p

Which pretty much just tells that I don't know a **** thing about it.
 
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Hammy said:
At some point, you have to quit looking at them like a pee wee player. Yes, he has every right to do what he wants... but there are also consequences for such decisions. You quit on your team at mid-season and you are going to put your character and mental toughness into question. If he wants to play hockey simply for kicks, then go play intramural.

If he sticks with it, he basically deals with it three more months. Is that tough? Hardly. If he finishes it out, he develops some character for seeing it through and people don't see him as a quitter that can't take the adversity. Any future coach he might have is going to have to wonder, "Is this kid going to quit on me and his team here too?"
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Your point is well taken Hammy. Again I don't know all the circumstances involved. But digging deep and giving 100% to make a positive contribution to this fledgling team for another three months is not too much to ask of any player. Playing hockey at this level is not only about fun, it's also about learning to overcome adversity and maturing as an individual. After the season's over he could reevaluate and make a decision regarding his college career.
 
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"This petition is not in reaction to the Badgers 1-10-1 start, the worst since 1932-33, or the fact they rank 57th out of 59 Men’s Division I hockey teams in USCHO’s Ratings Percentage Index at time of submission. This petition is a result of Mike Eaves inability to consistently win over his 13 years and the realization that our storied program has become an embarrassment to the university, and the laughing stock of college hockey." Source: http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/fire-mike-eaves#

Funny...if this petition is not a knee jerk reaction to this season's debacle, why provide the gory details? It's only one season. He won an NC in '06 and runnerup in '10. I'd be very surprised if Eaves goes anywhere.
 
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MadCityRich said:
Timmy, did somebody steal your computer? That post is very unlike you.

Unless you are walking in his shoes, you cannot criticize. (I guess you can, but it doesn't hold water.) No one knows what he's going thru'. If you, #1, don't like your job, #2, you're miserable, and #3, you hate getting out of bed to go to work, you ****ing quit and find something else.

Within the past 5 years, I left a lucrative position for the above reasons. $$$ was good, but #1, #2, and #3 were killing me. I wasn't considered a quitter and ford shouldn't be. I think he probably sat down with Pat, told him wazzup, wasn't happy and moved on.

EDIT: I'm not a touchy, feely, coom by ya :rolleyes:, kind of guy, so don't lay that on me!!
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You had many reasons to switch jobs. The reason he gave was it wasn't fun. What's to say it won't become fun again for him at UW? Based on that, it's a BS excuse in my opinion. If he had said, "Well, the I really don't like the large UW campus, the classes are way to big and I just feel like a fish out of water here. I thought I would adjust and come to like it, but I just don't", I would have supported his decision 100%. I get that. I was going attend UW my starting my Jr year of college, but I had that epiphany before I got to campus. In a way I kinda regret it not being part of the UW family and experiencing the awesomeness of Madison as a 20 yr old (I do enjoy it as a 45 yr old very much), but my life has turned out splendidly with the decision I made. Plus as I said, I have a son who hates the scholastic classes in HS (He likes the shop, woods and physical ed stuff, and is very good at it). If he had is way he'd just quit and do "something else". No fricking way. I see Keegan like I see Lindy. You have to power through this. It will made you stronger.
 
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Leaving mid-season is a crap move, there is no way to sugar coat that, total cop out.

We had a player do that as well a few years back, arse clown move, in fact he played against the Wild last night.

He's still a d bag for doing that.
 
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From this Nodak fan, I feel bad with the tough season they're working with and then they get to deal with one of their players pulling this $h!+... It's a total d0uch3 move and if he never plays D1 again it wouldn't hurt my feelings. Guys that can't honor commitments would fit in perfectly in one of the canadian leagues. Say hi to tambeleavi when you get there.
 
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I kinda feel bad for his brother who is still on the team, talk about awkward. I hope the two had a discussion about it before the decision was made.

Maybe this will put a chip on the teams shoulder moving forward, because last Friday's game was as bad as it gets. I'm worried we won't have enough bodies to get the chip off though.
 
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solovsfett said:
well that sucks about Keegan leaving...What can you do? The AD doesn't care about hockey, the team is 1-10-1 with things trending down over the past several years, no-one seems to be sure whether the assistants are very good and Eaves is a hard-*** who apparently rubs a lot of players the wrong way...Of course Parise liked playing for Eaves but that was over the course of one WJC...what if he had to play for a Harbough type for 2 years or more? Generally the hard guy thing loses it's lustre (if in fact it ever had any) and kids tune out.

Time for regime change.

Calling Don Granato, calling Mark Osiecki...any others come to mind?
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I've been reading everyone's thoughts and frankly most points - even the conflicting ones - are good. I quoted solovsfett's comments because they hit home with me the most. First, I agree Ford has every right to do what he did - and the team could have pulled his scholarship too if they wanted; But I think it was a bad move for him personally and an even crappier thing for him to do to his teammates. IMO, he should have waited until the season was over. Other's will now question his word, his commitment level when he decides on another team, all that.

On a bigger scale, this move concerns me because, with the Boeser non-early signing, and all the points made above, it feels more like a sinking ship than ever, more than I can remember.
 
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TUSCHWI said:
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On a bigger scale, this move concerns me because, with the Boeser non-early signing, and all the points made above, it feels more like a sinking ship than ever, more than I can remember.
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I figure we now have pretty much 0% chance of landing Boeser at this point (might have been only 10% anyways) - based on him not signing, coming to visit with low attendence and no band, team losing, and Ford leaving. Not much good in any of that...
 
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