Wisconsin Hockey 22-23 Empty Dreams & Empty Seats

[solovsfett]

That is a great analogy.

Thanks Tim!

 

[solovsfett]

Hahahaha. "Coffee is for closers"

Tony gets a full pot.

Who would be Alec Baldwin? Scott Sandelin?

 

[digitalbooya]

Just re-watched the Twice As Nice movie and I'm officially amped for hockey season!

 

[xuw]

Who would be Alec Baldwin? Scott Sandelin?

Fun fact: Sandelin had a losing record at UMD 6 of his first 8 seasons; took him 11 to win a NCAA championship. Not excusing Granato, just saying the road to success is sometimes a long one.

 

[WiscTJK]

Fun fact: Sandelin had a losing record at UMD 6 of his first 8 seasons; took him 11 to win a NCAA championship. Not excusing Granato, just saying the road to success is sometimes a long one.

That is interesting! I didn't know that. So there is a sliver of hope.....

 

[solovsfett]

Fun fact: Sandelin had a losing record at UMD 6 of his first 8 seasons; took him 11 to win a NCAA championship. Not excusing Granato, just saying the road to success is sometimes a long one.

Good grief. Granato had a VERY different starting point than Sandelin. He’s also squanderd a team with 4 1st round NHL draft picks AND a team 2 years ago that should have AT LEAST gone to the frozen four.

no excuses. Isn’t that the sign in the locker room. 60 minutes, no alibis, no excuses?

 

[Timothy A]

Fun fact: Sandelin had a losing record at UMD 6 of his first 8 seasons; took him 11 to win a NCAA championship. Not excusing Granato, just saying the road to success is sometimes a long one.

His run of success correlates closely to the B16 hockey conference starting. I think there was a 2 year overlap.

 

[digitalbooya]

That is interesting! I didn't know that. So there is a sliver of hope.....

I have pointed that out at least a couple times over the years. Usually met with some type of post like the one after your post. Jerry York in his first 25 years of coaching college hockey only made the NCAA tournament six times. Badger Bob only made the NCAA tournament once in his first eight seasons of college hockey.

The good coaches put it together eventually. Here's to hoping year 7 is the start to a long stretch of successful seasons for Tony.

 

[solovsfett]

I have pointed that out at least a couple times over the years. Usually met with some type of post like the one after your post. Jerry York in his first 25 years of coaching college hockey only made the NCAA tournament six times. Badger Bob only made the NCAA tournament once in his first eight seasons of college hockey.

The good coaches put it together eventually. Here's to hoping year 7 is the start to a long stretch of successful seasons for Tony.

It’s disingenuous to compare Badger Bob building a program out of nothing to a program with 6 national titles under it’s belt and a bevy of former and current NHL’ers to tout and olympians, etc.

same for Jerry York. York was at Bowling Green. The equal comparison would be York landing at BC. From that point forward.

Granato, Eaves, Sauer were all handed keys to a Ferrari. They didn’t have to start from nothing.

and are you discounting having 4 NHL 1st round draft picks on the team and and having the stunning inability to achieve a winning record?


Badger Bob would have smoked every team on the schedule with that talent.

 

[digitalbooya]

It’s disingenuous to compare Badger Bob building a program out of nothing to a program with 6 national titles under it’s belt and a bevy of former and current NHL’ers to tout and olympians, etc.

same for Jerry York. York was at Bowling Green. The equal comparison would be York landing at BC. From that point forward.

Granato, Eaves, Sauer were all handed keys to a Ferrari. They didn’t have to start from nothing.

and are you discounting having 4 NHL 1st round draft picks on the team and and having the stunning inability to achieve a winning record?


Badger Bob would have smoked every team on the schedule with that talent.

The way the program was when Granato took over was definitely not a Ferrari.

I think Granato's biggest fault is the "we will just get another (top NHL draft pick)" approach. The one and done prospects are only good when you have four year quality players like Zengerle, Mersch, etc. Look at the MASSIVE improvement we saw from Cole Caufield and Dylan Holloway in their second year mixed in with quality upperclassmen like TPB, Weissbach, Emberson, etc. One of the best teams in the country and a #1 seed in the tournament. The tournament didn't go well, but that team was exciting.

Fancy draft picks are all fun and games until you realize they still need to develop just like every other player. How many one and done players did Badger Bob have back in the day?

 

[WiscTJK]

Good grief. Granato had a VERY different starting point than Sandelin. He’s also squanderd a team with 4 1st round NHL draft picks AND a team 2 years ago that should have AT LEAST gone to the frozen four.

no excuses. Isn’t that the sign in the locker room. 60 minutes, no alibis, no excuses?

This is also true. I am trying to remain at least a little positive. It's hard. If we go 0-6, I'll start to get very worried!

 

[solovsfett]

The way the program was when Granato took over was definitely not a Ferrari.

I think Granato's biggest fault is the "we will just get another (top NHL draft pick)" approach. The one and done prospects are only good when you have four year quality players like Zengerle, Mersch, etc. Look at the MASSIVE improvement we saw from Cole Caufield and Dylan Holloway in their second year mixed in with quality upperclassmen like TPB, Weissbach, Emberson, etc. One of the best teams in the country and a #1 seed in the tournament. The tournament didn't go well, but that team was exciting.

Fancy draft picks are all fun and games until you realize they still need to develop just like every other player. How many one and done players did Badger Bob have back in the day?

There weren’t one and done’s in Badger Bob’s era. The NHL wasn’t like it is today. GM’s didn’t believe in college players.

of course every championship team needs a Brandt, Degengart and Licari or D. Granato D. Snedden and I forget their 4th line compliment from 90.

the bottom line is talent has arrived in Madison but hasn’t produced or grown. Granato hasn’t overloaded on top end talent imo either. If anything there are too many Wisconsin born players and not enough high-end Canadians and Minnesotans.

 

[Timothy A]

I think Granato's biggest fault is the "we will just get another (top NHL draft pick)" approach.

I think his biggest fault is he's a bad college coach. He can recruit, but coach he can't.

 

[solovsfett]

I think his biggest fault is he's a bad college coach. He can recruit, but coach he can't.

Ding ding ding!!!

 

[solovsfett]

…fun note. I was organizing the basement and looked through a box of sports memorabilia and programs. I have 2 UW hockey game programs from 1988, 1 or 2 from 1990, 2006 and 2010 championship game programs and several others. Cue Bruce Springsteen!

 

[digitalbooya]

I think his biggest fault is he's a bad college coach. He can recruit, but coach he can't.

I've been saying that since year 2. It took some on here until year 4 to figure it out. Anyone who took a look into Tony's past coaching experience could figure out he's not that great at it. I was so happy that Don Granato got a chance to advance his career to the NHL, but man... He was the guy I wanted to be head coach at UW.

I still think that his replacement theory for one and done NHL prospects is flawed. Caufield and Holloway staying an extra year really hammered this point home. Get the top prospects to stay longer and they will be a damn good team regardless of Tony's lackluster coaching ability.

 

[Timothy A]

I've been saying that since year 2. It took some on here until year 4 to figure it out. Anyone who took a look into Tony's past coaching experience could figure out he's not that great at it. I was so happy that Don Granato got a chance to advance his career to the NHL, but man... He was the guy I wanted to be head coach at UW.

I still think that his replacement theory for one and done NHL prospects is flawed. Caufield and Holloway staying an extra year really hammered this point home. Get the top prospects to stay longer and they will be a damn good team regardless of Tony's lackluster coaching ability.

His NHL record isn't terrible. 104 78 17. You have to wonder why Colorado got rid of him after 04 after finishing 03 in first and 04 in second. The 2nd stint in Colorado was terrible.

 

[Timothy A]

So we have single game ticketing info. 3rd level seats won't be sold unless other 2 level sales force them to sell them; N/C games are $18, B18 games are $24, Rodent games are $29. The exhibition game is buy one get one for $5.00.

 

[WiscTJK]

So we have single game ticketing info. 3rd level seats won't be sold unless other 2 level sales force them to sell them; N/C games are $18, B18 games are $24, Rodent games are $29. The exhibition game is buy one get one for $5.00.

So no discounted tickets or eats and treats packages?

 

[digitalbooya]

His NHL record isn't terrible. 104 78 17. You have to wonder why Colorado got rid of him after 04 after finishing 03 in first and 04 in second. The 2nd stint in Colorado was terrible.

He was handed an absolutely stacked Colorado team and they underperformed big time (sound familiar?).