Wisconsin Hockey 2019-20 Part II: Civil War

[MadCityRich]

Oz using the youth excuse on the radio. No, all we've heard at whb lunches all last year was hang with us until this year. Blah blah blah blah blah.

You've got to be schitting me. I turned off the game at 3-0. He's used that EXCUSE multiple times on the radio post-game; I wish Posick would call him out but I understand why he can't.

So, those of you who continue to say "They wiil come around", or "Just wait", whatcha got now?

This will really sting recruiting. If these elite US-NTDP players regress when they come here, why WOULD they come here?

The NHL teams that have these player's rights will NOT say, "Go to Wisconsin and develop" they'll say go to NoDak, BU, Denver, etc OR go to the CHL.

I was cautiously optimistic all summer. I bought into the hype hook, line, sinker but DID NOT see this coming. I agree with previous posters; we may not see some boys return in January. The NHL clubs will tell them to move on.

If it wasn't before, there are 3 hit seats in the hockey office.

 

[Timothy A]

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Granato has successfully neutered one of the most offensively talented rosters in the country. Amazing.

Line of the season right there. This is just unreal. I guess a mediocre at best former NHL head coach, an experienced former head coach who is an assistant head coach and an assistant head coach who was out of coaching for 11 years can't make NHL talent level players play hard all the time. Who knew?

 

[MadCityRich]

Line of the season right there. This is just unreal. I guess a mediocre at best former NHL head coach, an experienced former head coach who is an assistant head coach and an assistant head coach who was out of coaching for 11 years can't make NHL talent level players play hard all the time. Who knew?

Timmy, I'll help you lobby to get the women's team into Kohl Center, then move the men to LaBahn.

 

[Timothy A]

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I need something to put me in a happier mood. Maybe I’ll go watch Requiem For A Dream or Boy In The Striped Pajamas or something.

The hockey gals eeked out a win. The 2nd period was their worst of the season by far, they completely lost their poise with the puck, but didn't allow a goal that period. All 3 goals allowed reminded me of the men's team, poor D zone coverage, just chasing around or completely allowing an open shot. This team is not nearly as talented on the back end as MJ's teams usually are. I'm not convinced they will get to the promised land if they don't improve.

 

[Timothy A]

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Timmy, I'll help you lobby to get the women's team into Kohl Center, then move the men to LaBahn.

I like the atmosphere in LaBahn, I'd hate to loose it in the KC. If there was a way for BA to funnel $$$ to increase LaBahn's capacity by 1000 that would be great. Maybe some men's hockey boosters will switch over to the gals. Winning is fun.

 

[solovsfett]

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This program is in shambles. If anyone thinks Barry “I’m not a hockey guy” Alvarez will make a move before at least year 6 I think you’re dreaming.

Youth excuse is bull****. We’ve been fed bull**** for years now.

First 22 is a stud, then Dhoogie’s are studs, Miller is a stud, Weissbach, Turcotte, Caufield, Holloway etc. results are what matters and these kids aren’t getting them. Maybe 3/4 of that is on coaching.
Then fire the staff ASAP.

For whomever posted re Gorniak, Baker, Achan etc. C’mon! Those guys are NOT Burish, McMurchy, Gilbert, Licari, Degenhardt. Not by a gd long shot.

I fought against the Pollyanna chuck Schwartz re the Barnes, Mersch, Zengerle team because I felt they were overrated as hell. I’ll challenge anyone here to produce evidence this coaching staff and this roster comprised as it is with possibly 3 if not 4 kids leaving after frosh and Soph seasons and not much in the cupboard beyond them to explain how Wisconsin Hockey will stabilize and then improve and get back to where they should be under this staff but more importantly under the AD who doesn’t give one **** about hockey.

 

[Timothy A]

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under the AD who doesn’t give one **** about hockey.

BA did a great job hiring TG. No one said it was a bad hire. Hiring an x NHL coach to coach college? The steal of of the century. TG did a great job hiring DG and OZ. DG is a hockey genius, we all knew how awesome OZ was.

It looks bad, but they are an 8-2 run from being a factor. I'm not sure what is giving me the hope other than I love this school and the team and as freaking frustrated as I am, things are not that far out of kilter where they can't squeeze their bungholes a little tighter and keep the poop out of the house. Without hope, there's nothing. This morning I don't want nothing.

Let's go RED!

 

[WiscTJK]

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Down to 32 in pairwise. Now in the bottom half of teams. Todd Milewski indicated some players thought their play was improved but he also let out a little nugget from Baker that there are guys that need to buy in more. That isn't a good sign at all.

 

[solovsfett]

BA did a great job hiring TG. No one said it was a bad hire. Hiring an x NHL coach to coach college? The steal of of the century. TG did a great job hiring DG and OZ. DG is a hockey genius, we all knew how awesome OZ was.

It looks bad, but they are an 8-2 run from being a factor. I'm not sure what is giving me the hope other than I love this school and the team and as freaking frustrated as I am, things are not that far out of kilter where they can't squeeze their bungholes a little tighter and keep the poop out of the house. Without hope, there's nothing. This morning I don't want nothing.

Let's go RED!

I’m glad you have hope. And I hope that these kids “buy in” but I don’t see it happening.

The dream team was an inspired move by BA but like all good CEO’s when a mistake has been made it must be acknowledged and fixed stat.

I didn’t tune in last night and won’t tonight either. I’ll check final scores for signs of life but until the ship is turned, mountain is climbed, puppies are housebroken, solo will move on.

On another note at least Roger Penske has brought great news to indycar. So my other sports passion will be climbing mountains soon.

 

[digitalbooya]

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Down to 32 in pairwise. Now in the bottom half of teams. Todd Milewski indicated some players thought their play was improved but he also let out a little nugget from Baker that there are guys that need to buy in more. That isn't a good sign at all.

That's funny considering Baker has been absolutely horrible this year and IMO (and others) has regressed from where he was two years ago as a freshman. Wonder if he's referring to Miller at all... I was listening to Posick on the radio just before puck drop last night and they were talking about how Miller is on such a tear recently. I physically cringed when they were praising his play. He's been awful, lazy, lackadaisical, uninterested, etc.

I'm also having trouble understanding the forechecking from the team. There are so many times where it's just one guy going deep into the zone and the others are just standing there watching when they could be creating pressure and taking away easy breakout passes for the other team.

When do we see Weissbach-Turcotte-Caufield united? I feel like scoring has really taken a hit since they were split up. Holloway is flashy and all, but it means nothing if it doesn't translate to the puck in the opponent's net. He needs to be a driving force since he is being given so much opportunity. S. Dhooghe... I don't know what to say. Move him to the bottom 6.

I want to see:

Weissbach-Turcotte-Caufield
Holloway-Lindmark-Achan
Gorniak-Baker-Dhooghe
TPB-Messner-Donovan

Kalynuk-Emberson
Ess-Vorlicky
Inamoto-Peltonen

Lebedeff

 

[Wisko McBadgerton]

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Um Michigan beating ped state didn't help us at all. Unless you like being 7th of 7 in conference....

To not be 7th in conference the Badgers have to win their own games, doesn't make too much difference what the other B1G teams do vs. each other at this point. So I'm good with the goph's and PSU losing. Petty as that may be.

What hurts us and the B1G a lot more is ND dropping three straight non-conference games.

 

[Wisko McBadgerton]

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Thought Todd provided some good analysis in his post game facebook chat. It's here, if you haven't seen it.

 

[MadCityRich]

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Down to 32 in pairwise. Now in the bottom half of teams. Todd Milewski indicated some players thought their play was improved but he also let out a little nugget from Baker that there are guys that need to buy in more. That isn't a good sign at all.

I was worried about that from the beginning. They've been hearing for 4 or 5 years how "good" they are. It's hard to be humble when you're hearing that constantly. I wonder if being coached one way on the USNDTP or in the USHL just isn't meshing with Granato, Osiecki, and Strobel or vise-versa? 32 in the pairwise? That's a DEEP ****ing hole to dig out of.

 

[Wisko McBadgerton]

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I want to see:

Weissbach-Turcotte-Caufield
Holloway-Lindmark-Achan
Gorniak-Baker-Dhooghe
TPB-Messner-Donovan

Kalynuk-Emberson
Ess-Vorlicky
Inamoto-Peltonen

Lebedeff

Well, close but no cigar. Major shake up all the same:

Dhooghster- Turcotte - Piper Caufield

Linus- Marshall Dylan- Rydes Dono

Bakes - TPB - Roman

Jackie G - Merschy- Lindy - Caufield Brother

Wyatt- Ty

K'Andre- Mike

Jesper- Other Ty

Jackie B


Ryder has looked better and better as the season has gone on so I'm Down with giving him a chance, especially with Holloway giving that line some size and fight.

Ess didn't have a great night, especially with the egregious TO behind his own net that turned quickly into a goal, but still surprised to see him in the stands.

I thought The Hammer fought the puck a little last night, but post game, Oz was complimentary. Seems more just trying to push some more buttons by putting Jack in there, then a reflection on the Hammer.

Last game this year. Need a win. Let's GO RED!!

 

[WiscTJK]

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Granato on pregame talking like they played decent/good last night.

I pretty sure that's a different game than what I watched 2/3 of.......

 

[Wisko McBadgerton]

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Granato on pregame talking like they played decent/good last night.

I pretty sure that's a different game than what I watched 2/3 of.......

Todd said he thought they played better as well. I will say that they probably had 10 (pretty easy) chances they didn't put in. I imagine if some of those go, the goals against, and the scrambles in the D zone aren't quite so glaring as they seem when you get shut out.

 

[Wisko McBadgerton]

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Finally!!!

 

[WiscTJK]

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Better start tonight. And got the lead. They look to have more jump. Started the fourth line.

 

[WiscTJK]

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Todd said he thought they played better as well. I will say that they probably had 10 (pretty easy) chances they didn't put in. I imagine if some of those go, the goals against, and the scrambles in the D zone aren't quite so glaring as they seem when you get shut out.

No way they had 10 easy chances. Tonight is how they should be playing. Nothing like last night.

 

[digitalbooya]

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I was going to say that was the first time in awhile there were two guys deep in the zone putting pressure on and two seconds later we scored.