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Wisconsin Hockey 2018-2019: We can have a witty thread title when we start winning

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I wish the Pointers could challenge the Badgers to a game or series. Would be really interesting to see a D3 team with an undefeated record take on an extremely mediocre to below average D1 team. Clash of winning culture vs “superior talent.”
 
That’s possible. But the goaltending is atrocious, defense is atrocious and coaching is suspect.

I hope they win #7 next year but they’ll likely need to win 6-5, 7-6 each night.

Yeah I know. Granato has got to make a change for next year. His reputation is taking a major blow with this failure of a resurrection. I would think he will fire and hire whoever he has to or he will be forever known as bust at his Alma mater. Or maybe he won't I don't know I've said similar sh*t at the end of the last 2 seasons and nothing has changed. Maybe he really is a bust/loser coach.
 
I wish the Pointers could challenge the Badgers to a game or series. Would be really interesting to see a D3 team with an undefeated record take on an extremely mediocre to below average D1 team. Clash of winning culture vs “superior talent.”

A similar thing happened just a few years ago when St. Norbert and UW scheduled an exhibition to open the year. Then, some time later and at the request (or demand?) of UW and Eaves, it became a closed door “scrimmage,” which was really code for an actual game played in secrecy. While many of the preceding circumstances were laughable, they did actually play and the result was a 3-3 tie with, I think, UW scoring on the power play late to tie it.
 
Re: Wisconsin Hockey 2018-2019: We can have a witty thread title when we start winnin

The NCAA said that UW would have to count an exhibition vs. SN as a regular game against the 34 game limit. Despite the enduring conspiracy theories, that is why they wouldn't play SN.
 
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For better or worse, UW still has one of the most active groups on this board. We are about to cap out our (first) season thread while other teams have threads that are only 15-20 pages deep.
I love the passion. I disagree with the sentiment sometimes. But there is no other team I would rather be a fan of and no other group of fans I would rather interact with.
 
Re: Wisconsin Hockey 2018-2019: We can have a witty thread title when we start winnin

That’s possible. But the goaltending is atrocious, defense is atrocious and coaching is suspect.

I hope they win #7 next year but they’ll likely need to win 6-5, 7-6 each night.

I'd re-arrange some of the adjectives......Goaltending suspect, defense atrocious, coaching atrocious. This is team is 2 special teams away from contending for the B7 title. If only they had a pp and a pk that was slightly above average.
 
Re: Wisconsin Hockey 2018-2019: We can have a witty thread title when we start winnin

For better or worse, UW still has one of the most active groups on this board. We are about to cap out our (first) season thread while other teams have threads that are only 15-20 pages deep.
I love the passion. I disagree with the sentiment sometimes. But there is no other team I would rather be a fan of and no other group of fans I would rather interact with.

Good post & I agree KaMiGo, but unfortunately many of those pages are ****ing and moaning, and I'm as guilty as anybody. In my life even though 99% of the time I'm a glass-half-full guy, I can't apologize for my passion!

When we start winning consistently, we all can be positive like we used to be!
 
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I would love to know what joeyv, con1977, Eric Hybert or some of the other old schoolers feel about the present situation...
 
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TG said in the presser that Standbrook watches the UW games on TV and he calls him to discuss things. He also said Standbrook was way ahead of his time and the Alumni made the push to honor him in some way; and it was the Alumni who pushed for MJ to be recognized as well. It is so sad when MJ is announced as the H/C at the women's games there is nary a peep. He should get a standing ovation every time.
 
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I would love to know what joeyv, con1977, Eric Hybert or some of the other old schoolers feel about the present situation...

Those guys had some great posts, especially joey if I recall.
 
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It is so sad when MJ is announced as the H/C at the women's games there is nary a peep. He should get a standing ovation every time.

I know what you're saying, but it wouldn't mean anything if it happened every game. And there are quite a few kids there, right? They probably don't get it yet.

I wish I could post a picture. One of my most prized sports possessions is the Mark Johnson/Bobby Suter poster from the '80 Olympics. I knew/know them both and had it autographed by them about 20 years ago. It is the prominent item on my hockey wall.
 
Re: Wisconsin Hockey 2018-2019: We can have a witty thread title when we start winnin

This is team is 2 special teams away from contending for the B7 title. If only they had a pp and a pk that was slightly above average.

In the B1G picture, this is correct. A 25% pp and 85% pk would be a +22 goal differential for this team. It's not a stretch to think that could mean 6-7 more wins given the number of ties and OT losses. That many more wins would probably have them in the tourney and still in contention in the conference.

Now I know much has been made of the great job Donny did and the lousy job the staff is doing now on special teams. I would point out though that putting 2 first round F's (and current NHLer's) on the ice to pk and to goose the pp would likely make anyone a better coach. Kunin and Frederic had 37g and 14 ppg's between them and drew all the attention. Plus they pk'd constantly with Hughes and Wags, who as upperclassmen, were better F's than anyone on the roster this year. Which is not to say some of these freshman won't be as good or better in the future, they just aren't yet.

Incidentally, I think perhaps Hughes was always underrated by a lot of fans since he came in as a very undersized 17 year old (he's only a year older than Sophomore Tarek Baker is right now for example) but he did so many little things well. He had to grow physically, but his real ability is now showing as he's currently 2nd on the P-Bruins in points and making a strong case for himself in the AHL as a rookie.

At any rate, when your pk F's can see the play coming, pressure, and keep the shots to the outside, your D can just concentrate on blocking shots and clearing out, which also makes your goalie a heck of a lot better. When the F's are always chasing the play, you get a pk like the Badgers have had this year. You can teach them but you can't see the ice and skate for them. It takes time and experience and ability.

So I suppose this begs the question, Why aren't there better F's on the ice in this staff's 3rd year? Half of the team are Granato's guys right? Well, yes and no. Mostly no. When Granato was hired in 2016, 95%+ of this year's top 100 freshman were already committed by 2015. So what this year's (and last year's) Freshman F class is composed of is, Eaves commits, plus what the staff could dig up from the leftovers. So the Dhooghe's, Ahcan (from Burnsville, where Oz and DG won a title playing for Oz Sr.) Linus from Sweden, and flipping Brock Caufield from OSU. Plus they pulled the trigger on Gorniak who kind of came out of nowhere. (A decision I really questioned but is proving to be the correct one as he is really getting better every week.) These guys are good players, and I think they did quite well given what was available. But these are 4 year guys that have to continue to develop.

Think how long it's been since Oz was at OSU. Then consider that last year's 5 OSU Frozen Four Sr.'s were Oz recruits. Plus, he was in on recruiting this year's 8 seniors before he and OSU split. Next year's class is the first TG class that they actually went head to head on an open field of mostly all uncommitted recruits. Now those guys have to make it to school yet, so I'm not going to say it's a guaranteed deal, but if they all come in, it will likely be the best class of F's in the Entire History of the program, which should speak for itself. And it doesn't stop there as there are more terrific players committed who are 15, 16 and 17 years old right now that will displace some of the current 18 and 19 year old commits in the future.

Maybe the naysayers are right and Tony can't coach. (I doubt that.) But either way, it's funny how great players can make any coach look like a genius and young or poor players can make any coach look like a chump.

I am disappointed that the upperclassmen haven't been able to contribute more on this year's team. I am pleased with what the Freshman have been able to do, especially the Mersch line, which has been very good, often getting lots of minutes vs. opposing top lines. Overall I thought .500 was realistic, and a bit over would be a really good achievement given the difficulty of the B1G and the NC schedule. They're still a bit inconsistent, (last Friday was a huge disappointment) but 5x5 this is now a pretty decent team that often gets the better of play vs. anybody. They take too many penalties and can't kill them, and while they now can get the puck in consistently on the pp, they are not executing in zone. God knows they've tried a lot of different lines and schemes to get it going, but it just isn't there yet. If special teams get there, they'll still be pretty dangerous. If not, they likely won't be. Either way the strong foundation is there for next year. Just add the instant offense that's on the way and they will be a real contender. So I'm not jumping off the TG bandwagon on the brink of what could be some of the best teams the Badgers have had in years.

When everyone is committed 4 years out from their freshman year it takes time to turn the corner on a program. The rules are changing to alleviate that somewhat this year, but if people don't understand this, no wonder they are so unhappy with the lack of progress thus far.
 
Re: Wisconsin Hockey 2018-2019: We can have a witty thread title when we start winnin

In the B1G picture, this is correct. A 25% pp and 85% pk would be a +22 goal differential for this team. It's not a stretch to think that could mean 6-7 more wins given the number of ties and OT losses. That many more wins would probably have them in the tourney and still in contention in the conference.

Now I know much has been made of the great job Donny did and the lousy job the staff is doing now on special teams. I would point out though that putting 2 first round F's (and current NHLer's) on the ice to pk and to goose the pp would likely make anyone a better coach. Kunin and Frederic had 37g and 14 ppg's between them and drew all the attention. Plus they pk'd constantly with Hughes and Wags, who as upperclassmen, were better F's than anyone on the roster this year. Which is not to say some of these freshman won't be as good or better in the future, they just aren't yet.

Incidentally, I think perhaps Hughes was always underrated by a lot of fans since he came in as a very undersized 17 year old (he's only a year older than Sophomore Tarek Baker is right now for example) but he did so many little things well. He had to grow physically, but his real ability is now showing as he's currently 2nd on the P-Bruins in points and making a strong case for himself in the AHL as a rookie.

At any rate, when your pk F's can see the play coming, pressure, and keep the shots to the outside, your D can just concentrate on blocking shots and clearing out, which also makes your goalie a heck of a lot better. When the F's are always chasing the play, you get a pk like the Badgers have had this year. You can teach them but you can't see the ice and skate for them. It takes time and experience and ability.

So I suppose this begs the question, Why aren't there better F's on the ice in this staff's 3rd year? Half of the team are Granato's guys right? Well, yes and no. Mostly no. When Granato was hired in 2016, 95%+ of this year's top 100 freshman were already committed by 2015. So what this year's (and last year's) Freshman F class is composed of is, Eaves commits, plus what the staff could dig up from the leftovers. So the Dhooghe's, Ahcan (from Burnsville, where Oz and DG won a title playing for Oz Sr.) Linus from Sweden, and flipping Brock Caufield from OSU. Plus they pulled the trigger on Gorniak who kind of came out of nowhere. (A decision I really questioned but is proving to be the correct one as he is really getting better every week.) These guys are good players, and I think they did quite well given what was available. But these are 4 year guys that have to continue to develop.

Think how long it's been since Oz was at OSU. Then consider that last year's 5 OSU Frozen Four Sr.'s were Oz recruits. Plus, he was in on recruiting this year's 8 seniors before he and OSU split. Next year's class is the first TG class that they actually went head to head on an open field of mostly all uncommitted recruits. Now those guys have to make it to school yet, so I'm not going to say it's a guaranteed deal, but if they all come in, it will likely be the best class of F's in the Entire History of the program, which should speak for itself. And it doesn't stop there as there are more terrific players committed who are 15, 16 and 17 years old right now that will displace some of the current 18 and 19 year old commits in the future.

Maybe the naysayers are right and Tony can't coach. (I doubt that.) But either way, it's funny how great players can make any coach look like a genius and young or poor players can make any coach look like a chump.

I am disappointed that the upperclassmen haven't been able to contribute more on this year's team. I am pleased with what the Freshman have been able to do, especially the Mersch line, which has been very good, often getting lots of minutes vs. opposing top lines. Overall I thought .500 was realistic, and a bit over would be a really good achievement given the difficulty of the B1G and the NC schedule. They're still a bit inconsistent, (last Friday was a huge disappointment) but 5x5 this is now a pretty decent team that often gets the better of play vs. anybody. They take too many penalties and can't kill them, and while they now can get the puck in consistently on the pp, they are not executing in zone. God knows they've tried a lot of different lines and schemes to get it going, but it just isn't there yet. If special teams get there, they'll still be pretty dangerous. If not, they likely won't be. Either way the strong foundation is there for next year. Just add the instant offense that's on the way and they will be a real contender. So I'm not jumping off the TG bandwagon on the brink of what could be some of the best teams the Badgers have had in years.

When everyone is committed 4 years out from their freshman year it takes time to turn the corner on a program. The rules are changing to alleviate that somewhat this year, but if people don't understand this, no wonder they are so unhappy with the lack of progress thus far.

I mostly agree with all of this, though I question why the PK'er's can't be coached up and why they can't get the more talented of the 2 pp units to produce on a consistent basis. Maybe the cupboard was just that bare.
 
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In the B1G picture, this is correct. A 25% pp and 85% pk would be a +22 goal differential for this team. It's not a stretch to think that could mean 6-7 more wins given the number of ties and OT losses. That many more wins would probably have them in the tourney and still in contention in the conference.

Now I know much has been made of the great job Donny did and the lousy job the staff is doing now on special teams. I would point out though that putting 2 first round F's (and current NHLer's) on the ice to pk and to goose the pp would likely make anyone a better coach. Kunin and Frederic had 37g and 14 ppg's between them and drew all the attention. Plus they pk'd constantly with Hughes and Wags, who as upperclassmen, were better F's than anyone on the roster this year. Which is not to say some of these freshman won't be as good or better in the future, they just aren't yet.

Incidentally, I think perhaps Hughes was always underrated by a lot of fans since he came in as a very undersized 17 year old (he's only a year older than Sophomore Tarek Baker is right now for example) but he did so many little things well. He had to grow physically, but his real ability is now showing as he's currently 2nd on the P-Bruins in points and making a strong case for himself in the AHL as a rookie.

At any rate, when your pk F's can see the play coming, pressure, and keep the shots to the outside, your D can just concentrate on blocking shots and clearing out, which also makes your goalie a heck of a lot better. When the F's are always chasing the play, you get a pk like the Badgers have had this year. You can teach them but you can't see the ice and skate for them. It takes time and experience and ability.

So I suppose this begs the question, Why aren't there better F's on the ice in this staff's 3rd year? Half of the team are Granato's guys right? Well, yes and no. Mostly no. When Granato was hired in 2016, 95%+ of this year's top 100 freshman were already committed by 2015. So what this year's (and last year's) Freshman F class is composed of is, Eaves commits, plus what the staff could dig up from the leftovers. So the Dhooghe's, Ahcan (from Burnsville, where Oz and DG won a title playing for Oz Sr.) Linus from Sweden, and flipping Brock Caufield from OSU. Plus they pulled the trigger on Gorniak who kind of came out of nowhere. (A decision I really questioned but is proving to be the correct one as he is really getting better every week.) These guys are good players, and I think they did quite well given what was available. But these are 4 year guys that have to continue to develop.

Think how long it's been since Oz was at OSU. Then consider that last year's 5 OSU Frozen Four Sr.'s were Oz recruits. Plus, he was in on recruiting this year's 8 seniors before he and OSU split. Next year's class is the first TG class that they actually went head to head on an open field of mostly all uncommitted recruits. Now those guys have to make it to school yet, so I'm not going to say it's a guaranteed deal, but if they all come in, it will likely be the best class of F's in the Entire History of the program, which should speak for itself. And it doesn't stop there as there are more terrific players committed who are 15, 16 and 17 years old right now that will displace some of the current 18 and 19 year old commits in the future.

Maybe the naysayers are right and Tony can't coach. (I doubt that.) But either way, it's funny how great players can make any coach look like a genius and young or poor players can make any coach look like a chump.

I am disappointed that the upperclassmen haven't been able to contribute more on this year's team. I am pleased with what the Freshman have been able to do, especially the Mersch line, which has been very good, often getting lots of minutes vs. opposing top lines. Overall I thought .500 was realistic, and a bit over would be a really good achievement given the difficulty of the B1G and the NC schedule. They're still a bit inconsistent, (last Friday was a huge disappointment) but 5x5 this is now a pretty decent team that often gets the better of play vs. anybody. They take too many penalties and can't kill them, and while they now can get the puck in consistently on the pp, they are not executing in zone. God knows they've tried a lot of different lines and schemes to get it going, but it just isn't there yet. If special teams get there, they'll still be pretty dangerous. If not, they likely won't be. Either way the strong foundation is there for next year. Just add the instant offense that's on the way and they will be a real contender. So I'm not jumping off the TG bandwagon on the brink of what could be some of the best teams the Badgers have had in years.

When everyone is committed 4 years out from their freshman year it takes time to turn the corner on a program. The rules are changing to alleviate that somewhat this year, but if people don't understand this, no wonder they are so unhappy with the lack of progress thus far.

This.

They mentioned on the broadcast the other night 6 of 9 penalty killers are Freshmen. I think the staff is purposely putting Freshmen in positions to learn this season knowing it will pay dividends next season, even if it means they make mistakes that may cost them a game here or there this season.

The five on five matchups next year for many of these players should be "easier" than they are this year as I think many of these players could literally find themselves playing one line lower due to the influx of high-end talent that is already seasoned vs. college caliber talent. I'm thinking the forward lineup next year could look something like this:

Weissbach-Turcotte-C. Caufield
Pelton-Byce-Holloway-S. Dhooghe
Gorniak-T. Baker-Lindmark
Ahcan-Mersch-B. Caufield
Zimmer-Messner-J. Dhooghe

The power play is going to take a quantum leap just based on talent. The penalty kill should be better based on experience and (again) better talent. You can also let guys like Baker not have to play as a top 6 forward, play power play and penalty kill. If he can center the third line, get back to focusing on grinding and penalty killing I think it will be to his (and UW's) advantage.
 
In the B1G picture, this is correct. A 25% pp and 85% pk would be a +22 goal differential for this team. It's not a stretch to think that could mean 6-7 more wins given the number of ties and OT losses. That many more wins would probably have them in the tourney and still in contention in the conference.

Now I know much has been made of the great job Donny did and the lousy job the staff is doing now on special teams. I would point out though that putting 2 first round F's (and current NHLer's) on the ice to pk and to goose the pp would likely make anyone a better coach. Kunin and Frederic had 37g and 14 ppg's between them and drew all the attention. Plus they pk'd constantly with Hughes and Wags, who as upperclassmen, were better F's than anyone on the roster this year. Which is not to say some of these freshman won't be as good or better in the future, they just aren't yet.

Incidentally, I think perhaps Hughes was always underrated by a lot of fans since he came in as a very undersized 17 year old (he's only a year older than Sophomore Tarek Baker is right now for example) but he did so many little things well. He had to grow physically, but his real ability is now showing as he's currently 2nd on the P-Bruins in points and making a strong case for himself in the AHL as a rookie.

At any rate, when your pk F's can see the play coming, pressure, and keep the shots to the outside, your D can just concentrate on blocking shots and clearing out, which also makes your goalie a heck of a lot better. When the F's are always chasing the play, you get a pk like the Badgers have had this year. You can teach them but you can't see the ice and skate for them. It takes time and experience and ability.

So I suppose this begs the question, Why aren't there better F's on the ice in this staff's 3rd year? Half of the team are Granato's guys right? Well, yes and no. Mostly no. When Granato was hired in 2016, 95%+ of this year's top 100 freshman were already committed by 2015. So what this year's (and last year's) Freshman F class is composed of is, Eaves commits, plus what the staff could dig up from the leftovers. So the Dhooghe's, Ahcan (from Burnsville, where Oz and DG won a title playing for Oz Sr.) Linus from Sweden, and flipping Brock Caufield from OSU. Plus they pulled the trigger on Gorniak who kind of came out of nowhere. (A decision I really questioned but is proving to be the correct one as he is really getting better every week.) These guys are good players, and I think they did quite well given what was available. But these are 4 year guys that have to continue to develop.

Think how long it's been since Oz was at OSU. Then consider that last year's 5 OSU Frozen Four Sr.'s were Oz recruits. Plus, he was in on recruiting this year's 8 seniors before he and OSU split. Next year's class is the first TG class that they actually went head to head on an open field of mostly all uncommitted recruits. Now those guys have to make it to school yet, so I'm not going to say it's a guaranteed deal, but if they all come in, it will likely be the best class of F's in the Entire History of the program, which should speak for itself. And it doesn't stop there as there are more terrific players committed who are 15, 16 and 17 years old right now that will displace some of the current 18 and 19 year old commits in the future.

Maybe the naysayers are right and Tony can't coach. (I doubt that.) But either way, it's funny how great players can make any coach look like a genius and young or poor players can make any coach look like a chump.

I am disappointed that the upperclassmen haven't been able to contribute more on this year's team. I am pleased with what the Freshman have been able to do, especially the Mersch line, which has been very good, often getting lots of minutes vs. opposing top lines. Overall I thought .500 was realistic, and a bit over would be a really good achievement given the difficulty of the B1G and the NC schedule. They're still a bit inconsistent, (last Friday was a huge disappointment) but 5x5 this is now a pretty decent team that often gets the better of play vs. anybody. They take too many penalties and can't kill them, and while they now can get the puck in consistently on the pp, they are not executing in zone. God knows they've tried a lot of different lines and schemes to get it going, but it just isn't there yet. If special teams get there, they'll still be pretty dangerous. If not, they likely won't be. Either way the strong foundation is there for next year. Just add the instant offense that's on the way and they will be a real contender. So I'm not jumping off the TG bandwagon on the brink of what could be some of the best teams the Badgers have had in years.

When everyone is committed 4 years out from their freshman year it takes time to turn the corner on a program. The rules are changing to alleviate that somewhat this year, but if people don't understand this, no wonder they are so unhappy with the lack of progress thus far.

I hope you’re right. I hope there isn’t an underlying problem with the coaching...
 
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Interesting tidbit from a article MJ wrote about himself in regards to the jersey retirement....TG offered him an assistant coach job when he was hired @ Colorado. Obviously he turned him down.
 
Ty Pelton Byce has been named to play in the Winter World University Games in March.

https://teamusa.usahockey.com/news_article/show/992574
 
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There's hockey tomorrow, let's get fired up people! No one likes OSU, let's bury them and get another unbeaten streak going. The goalie deal in interesting, Berry played well, I didn't get to watch the Friday game, but the radio said The Hammer played well too.
 
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