MadCityRich
20 Years and Counting
Where the **** do you get the Big 14? It's the Big 6 + Notre Dame.
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Wisconsin Hockey 2018-2019: We can have a witty thread title when we start winning
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Where the **** do you get the Big 14? It's the Big 6 + Notre Dame.
digitalbooya
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Re: Wisconsin Hockey 2018-2019: We can have a witty thread title when we start winnin
All three teams you mentioned with empty arenas are top 10 teams in terms of attendance lmao.
All three teams you mentioned with empty arenas are top 10 teams in terms of attendance lmao.
Timothy A
Let's go RED!
Re: Wisconsin Hockey 2018-2019: We can have a witty thread title when we start winnin
Maybe the B6+NCHA?
Maybe the B6+NCHA?
I strongly disagree. MSU has been a floundering program. That's why attendance was down (which it was before realignment). UW's attendance was collapsing before realignment as well. On the ice? The Big Ten on-ice product has been superior to the 12-team WCHA in my opinion. The bloated unbalanced schedule in that alignment didn't quite match up with a group of strong programs held to high standards (and anyone with decent college hockey knowledge could see what PSU was poised to become after they got beyond a full recruiting cycle) playing each other four times each.
You gave absolutely no explanation for how realignment "killed the in-arena product." You just said that it did. How did it kill the in-arena product. Is the in-arena product even dead? Back up and explain that first, because you made quite an assumption with that statement.
Please don't be one of those fans who complains about realignment just because you think it'll make you look like a smarter fan or whatever.
p.s. MSU, Michigan, Notre Dame, Wisconsin, and Minnesota all used to be in the same conference.
Edit: If Wisconsin's attendance issues were due (beyond a tiny amount) to fans being cranky about realignment and hating the Big Ten, that would indicate that the UW fan base would be WAY bigger and stronger than it is. People didn't stop going to Badgers games because the Big Ten turned out to be the most exciting conference most of the time, especially now (this tends to get repeated by outside voices too, and it has a lot to do with the young talent these programs attract).
Edit2: that last point you made about a crappy team playing PSU and OSU.......just think about it. In recent years, OSU and PSU have been two of the most regularly exciting teams in college hockey. So what about the other part? "A crappy team?" That has nothing to do with a conference. That has to do with demand for tickets going down after a team gets bad.
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Re: Wisconsin Hockey 2018-2019: We can have a witty thread title when we start winnin
Blomquist would be my guess.
Blomquist would be my guess.
MadCityRich
20 Years and Counting
Re: Wisconsin Hockey 2018-2019: We can have a witty thread title when we start winnin
Poor Derek Stepan.
I was watching the 'yotes/Rangers the other night. He hasn't been playing for that horrible product in the desert for 2 years and he's already losing his "flow".
Poor Derek Stepan.
I was watching the 'yotes/Rangers the other night. He hasn't been playing for that horrible product in the desert for 2 years and he's already losing his "flow".
Re: Wisconsin Hockey 2018-2019: We can have a witty thread title when we start winnin
The Big Ten did ruin college hockey to a point that I'm not sure it'll ever recover to what it was.
Lost the Final Five, lost easy road trips to hostile environment away games, lost the conference games against teams filled with players that you watched in HS that you wished your team would get.
People are saying a new generation of fans need to replace those lost. Unfortunately, in MN at least, those generations are all in on the Wild.
The Big Ten did ruin college hockey to a point that I'm not sure it'll ever recover to what it was.
Lost the Final Five, lost easy road trips to hostile environment away games, lost the conference games against teams filled with players that you watched in HS that you wished your team would get.
People are saying a new generation of fans need to replace those lost. Unfortunately, in MN at least, those generations are all in on the Wild.
Timothy A
Let's go RED!
Re: Wisconsin Hockey 2018-2019: We can have a witty thread title when we start winnin
TG did say in his weekly press conference they want to gain positive momentum out of this game, I could see the Hammer or Berry playing.
TG did say in his weekly press conference they want to gain positive momentum out of this game, I could see the Hammer or Berry playing.
sunprairie
Badger Backer
Re: Wisconsin Hockey 2018-2019: We can have a witty thread title when we start winnin
Any one who was at the Kohl Center during the two years leading to the Big "Ten" transition had to know that it wasn't going to be well received by the fan base. From the moment they started running the "Big 10 is coming" ad on the jumbotron, the fans in the arena erupted in sustained boos. Fans might have already frustrated with the product on the ice, but at least it was still our product, and our rivalry games. When Barry stepped in and assumed that hockey fans wouldn't mind losing decades of rivalries that we got amped up for, while also assuming that we'd be just as excited over games against football rivalries was a kick in the teeth. Everything about the rollout ignored and dismissed all the traditions of college hockey in Wisconsin - there was even an infamous TV announcement spot that featured a number of Big 10 "personalities," football and basketball coaches, Barry included, and ironically not a single hockey-related person, all sporting fake-missing front teeth, you know because that's all hockey is known for. Then, roll in BTN, which had promised more hockey coverage, but instead actually severely limited hockey TV coverage, even in the last few years of the WCHA.
Pair all that with the downward slide in performance and the attendance trend at the KC is not surprising. I've also questioned whether it was the final two Eaves years or B1G that was a bigger part of this, but seeing that Minnesota saw similar attendance slides (a true anomaly) let's me be pretty sure that B1G was a much bigger mistake than anyone thought it would be. Is PSU a good hockey team? Sure, but that doesn't make a fan base who looked forward to rivalry series with ND, St. Cloud, Tech, Denver, etc. each year excited to see them. This wasn't just re-alignment. It was ignorance of the hockey fan base as a cash grab from the AD's office. And, it has played out to the results we have seen. (If that wasn't the case, the first two Big 10 tournaments wouldn't have been in empty arenas...)
I think I'm saddest about the effect it has had on the student section. Hockey is a generational sport that needs upper classes training younger classes about those traditions. I am afraid that when the WCHA-trained older students left the building with disinterest in the new B1G, we lost a couple years of that training and long-standing Badger Hockey student pride that will take decades to rebuild. A real shame...
Any one who was at the Kohl Center during the two years leading to the Big "Ten" transition had to know that it wasn't going to be well received by the fan base. From the moment they started running the "Big 10 is coming" ad on the jumbotron, the fans in the arena erupted in sustained boos. Fans might have already frustrated with the product on the ice, but at least it was still our product, and our rivalry games. When Barry stepped in and assumed that hockey fans wouldn't mind losing decades of rivalries that we got amped up for, while also assuming that we'd be just as excited over games against football rivalries was a kick in the teeth. Everything about the rollout ignored and dismissed all the traditions of college hockey in Wisconsin - there was even an infamous TV announcement spot that featured a number of Big 10 "personalities," football and basketball coaches, Barry included, and ironically not a single hockey-related person, all sporting fake-missing front teeth, you know because that's all hockey is known for. Then, roll in BTN, which had promised more hockey coverage, but instead actually severely limited hockey TV coverage, even in the last few years of the WCHA.
Pair all that with the downward slide in performance and the attendance trend at the KC is not surprising. I've also questioned whether it was the final two Eaves years or B1G that was a bigger part of this, but seeing that Minnesota saw similar attendance slides (a true anomaly) let's me be pretty sure that B1G was a much bigger mistake than anyone thought it would be. Is PSU a good hockey team? Sure, but that doesn't make a fan base who looked forward to rivalry series with ND, St. Cloud, Tech, Denver, etc. each year excited to see them. This wasn't just re-alignment. It was ignorance of the hockey fan base as a cash grab from the AD's office. And, it has played out to the results we have seen. (If that wasn't the case, the first two Big 10 tournaments wouldn't have been in empty arenas...)
I think I'm saddest about the effect it has had on the student section. Hockey is a generational sport that needs upper classes training younger classes about those traditions. I am afraid that when the WCHA-trained older students left the building with disinterest in the new B1G, we lost a couple years of that training and long-standing Badger Hockey student pride that will take decades to rebuild. A real shame...
solovsfett
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Agreed, 100%. I still don’t know anyone excited to see PSU, tOSU, MSU, or even Michigan for that matter. Notre Dame? A bit of interest due to their having a loose affiliation in a mythical B10 decades ago.
Re: Wisconsin Hockey 2018-2019: We can have a witty thread title when we start winnin
Here's a ranking from this Gopher fan's perspective. Wonder if yours is similar. WCHA vs. Big Ten
Home Opponents:
Tier 1: UND, uw, UMD, SCSU vs. uw
Tier 2: DU, Mankato vs. Notre Dame
Tier 3: Omaha, Bemidji vs. Michigan
Tier 4: MTU, CC vs. PSU, OSU (this is the edge of who cares territory)
Tier No One Cares: MSU, AKA
Road/Day Trip Opportunities
WCHA: UMD, SCSU, Mankato, uw, UND, Bemidji
Weekend trips: DU, MTU, CC
Big Ten: uw
Weekend trips: Notre Dame, for the rest who cares except MAYBE to see Yost
Here's a ranking from this Gopher fan's perspective. Wonder if yours is similar. WCHA vs. Big Ten
Home Opponents:
Tier 1: UND, uw, UMD, SCSU vs. uw
Tier 2: DU, Mankato vs. Notre Dame
Tier 3: Omaha, Bemidji vs. Michigan
Tier 4: MTU, CC vs. PSU, OSU (this is the edge of who cares territory)
Tier No One Cares: MSU, AKA
Road/Day Trip Opportunities
WCHA: UMD, SCSU, Mankato, uw, UND, Bemidji
Weekend trips: DU, MTU, CC
Big Ten: uw
Weekend trips: Notre Dame, for the rest who cares except MAYBE to see Yost
sunprairie
Badger Backer
Re: Wisconsin Hockey 2018-2019: We can have a witty thread title when we start winnin
I went back and found the ad I referenced. It gives me even bigger chills now... And not the good kind... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuV2H6sSC9c
I went back and found the ad I referenced. It gives me even bigger chills now... And not the good kind... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuV2H6sSC9c
Re: Wisconsin Hockey 2018-2019: We can have a witty thread title when we start winnin
I think there is a tendency of the "super fans" to see things only from their perspective with an active disinterest in looking at other perspectives.
Sure, there are a lot of people who miss the games against the old WCHA teams. You pine for the games against NoDak, SCSU, MTU, DU...those are the names that mean something to you. Keep in mind that 3 of those teams were in the WCHA for almost 20 years before UW joined. And on the other end of that were teams like SCSU that didn't join until 20 years after UW did. I'm sure there was plenty of hand-wringing when those changes happened too.
Outside of the bubble, there are people who have no idea that there is a "University of Denver" or a "Saint Cloud State University", but they sure know "Ohio State University" and "University of Michigan".
I get a 4 pack of tickets for Friday and Saturday games. 1 for me, 1 for my wife, 2 get split up between a few people I work with.
At the beginning on the year when I had the fresh sheets of tickets and was working with the other 2 guys about which games they wanted, people would watch us arguing over "You had Minnesota last year, I get them this yer" and "I'll give you Denver if I can have North Dakota". The casual passerby didn't recognize many (if any) of the non-conference opponents, but they recognized all of the conference teams.
The WCHA as it was is no more. You can blame Alvarez, you can blame Pegula, you can blame anyone you want to...but it is just shouting into the wind at this point. The change has happened and nothing short of an act of Congress is going to change that.
So **** and moan all you want, there are lots of people on this board who will join you in that.
see Exhibit A
Just please realize that the vast majority of fans exist outside of this super-fandom. They don't go to message boards or keep track of recruits or have any idea if the a forward is correctly rotating to cover for a D man bringing the puck in past the dots, but they are perfectly comfortable knowing that UW is in the B1G and that there are other teams in the B1G which play hockey. They know that UW = Good, Michigan/Michigan State/Ohio State/Penn State/Notre Dame = bad, Minnesota = really bad and that is good enough for them.
I think there is a tendency of the "super fans" to see things only from their perspective with an active disinterest in looking at other perspectives.
Sure, there are a lot of people who miss the games against the old WCHA teams. You pine for the games against NoDak, SCSU, MTU, DU...those are the names that mean something to you. Keep in mind that 3 of those teams were in the WCHA for almost 20 years before UW joined. And on the other end of that were teams like SCSU that didn't join until 20 years after UW did. I'm sure there was plenty of hand-wringing when those changes happened too.
Outside of the bubble, there are people who have no idea that there is a "University of Denver" or a "Saint Cloud State University", but they sure know "Ohio State University" and "University of Michigan".
I get a 4 pack of tickets for Friday and Saturday games. 1 for me, 1 for my wife, 2 get split up between a few people I work with.
At the beginning on the year when I had the fresh sheets of tickets and was working with the other 2 guys about which games they wanted, people would watch us arguing over "You had Minnesota last year, I get them this yer" and "I'll give you Denver if I can have North Dakota". The casual passerby didn't recognize many (if any) of the non-conference opponents, but they recognized all of the conference teams.
The WCHA as it was is no more. You can blame Alvarez, you can blame Pegula, you can blame anyone you want to...but it is just shouting into the wind at this point. The change has happened and nothing short of an act of Congress is going to change that.
So **** and moan all you want, there are lots of people on this board who will join you in that.
see Exhibit A
Just please realize that the vast majority of fans exist outside of this super-fandom. They don't go to message boards or keep track of recruits or have any idea if the a forward is correctly rotating to cover for a D man bringing the puck in past the dots, but they are perfectly comfortable knowing that UW is in the B1G and that there are other teams in the B1G which play hockey. They know that UW = Good, Michigan/Michigan State/Ohio State/Penn State/Notre Dame = bad, Minnesota = really bad and that is good enough for them.
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College hockey is a niche sport and you need to realize these "superfans" make up a huge chunk of the fans...
College hockey is a niche sport and you need to realize these "superfans" make up a huge chunk of the fans...
MadCityRich
20 Years and Counting
Re: Wisconsin Hockey 2018-2019: We can have a witty thread title when we start winnin
BTHC sucks ***. I STILL don't get fired up about watching us against the old CCHA teams. I honestly think the BTHC hurt MN and WI, and helped the CCHA schools.
I was fired up against Denver and NoDak this year and they're non-conference. I would not hesitate to go to the U.P., MSP, Duluth, Greater Grand, etc, but I have NO desire to go on a roadie to the east.
If all the "old" WCHA schools got together and somehow started it up again (it will never happen) it would be awesome.
Bonin = Truth
BTHC sucks ***. I STILL don't get fired up about watching us against the old CCHA teams. I honestly think the BTHC hurt MN and WI, and helped the CCHA schools.
I was fired up against Denver and NoDak this year and they're non-conference. I would not hesitate to go to the U.P., MSP, Duluth, Greater Grand, etc, but I have NO desire to go on a roadie to the east.
If all the "old" WCHA schools got together and somehow started it up again (it will never happen) it would be awesome.
Bonin = Truth
MadCityRich
20 Years and Counting
WiscTJK
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Re: Wisconsin Hockey 2018-2019: We can have a witty thread title when we start winnin
I miss the WCHA, but it ain't coming back. It would be wise for TG to schedule as many old WCHA teams as possible for N/C opponents. I still proudly wear my WCHA Wisconsin jersey and refuse to buy a Big7 jersey.
I miss the WCHA, but it ain't coming back. It would be wise for TG to schedule as many old WCHA teams as possible for N/C opponents. I still proudly wear my WCHA Wisconsin jersey and refuse to buy a Big7 jersey.
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WiscTJK
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Re: Wisconsin Hockey 2018-2019: We can have a witty thread title when we start winnin
I can't quote your entire post as it is huge, but where are all these "fans" you crow about? They aren't coming to watch "Big 7" Hockey as the Kohl Center is empty....... So p!ss off your best fan base (you call superfans), and don't replace them as your "fans that recognize OSU and Mich" don't come. Combine that with a poor team and magically you have an empty KC. That's a great marketing plan!
I can't quote your entire post as it is huge, but where are all these "fans" you crow about? They aren't coming to watch "Big 7" Hockey as the Kohl Center is empty....... So p!ss off your best fan base (you call superfans), and don't replace them as your "fans that recognize OSU and Mich" don't come. Combine that with a poor team and magically you have an empty KC. That's a great marketing plan!
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