Wisconsin Badgers 2017-2018

[Bonzo]

Re: Wisconsin Badgers 2017-2018

I know we still have 2 games to play (hopefully) but I'm looking ahead to next year. Currently the roster shows 25 players which includes Pankowski and Clark. We only lose 3 seniors but in January it was announced 5 freshman will join the team next year including heralded recruits Sophie Shirley and Brita Curl. The team should be scary good, but I'm wondering how many scholarship players are we allowed to have? With a goaltender coming next fall that would make 5 goalies on the roster all juniors or younger. Are we expecting some attrition either from goalies or position players? Since Campbell played every minute of the season I'm assuming all 3 other goalies from this year could effectively redshirt if they all comeback?

 

[robertearle]

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I know we still have 2 games to play (hopefully) but I'm looking ahead to next year. Currently the roster shows 25 players which includes Pankowski and Clark. We only lose 3 seniors but in January it was announced 5 freshman will join the team next year including heralded recruits Sophie Shirley and Brita Curl. The team should be scary good, but I'm wondering how many scholarship players are we allowed to have? With a goaltender coming next fall that would make 5 goalies on the roster all juniors or younger. Are we expecting some attrition either from goalies or position players? Since Campbell played every minute of the season I'm assuming all 3 other goalies from this year could effectively redshirt if they all comeback?

If I understand it correctly, a school has 18 scholarships, but those 18 can be divided up into 'partial' scholarships. So you could have 12 players on 'full scholarship', and another 12 on 'half scholarship', etc.

As for 'redshirts' and goalies: I don't know in hockey how 'dressing' but then not playing gets counted, or not counted.

 

[ne7minder]

Other years, there is stiff competition for the Pep Band's time and attention - men's hockey, basketball, etc. Sadly, this year women's hockey is the only game in town. Are you ready for 200 or so of them to appear?

NC$$ limits bands to 20-some. That is a good reason to go all brass. In small spaces like Labahn small is probably required but I am sure they do it to limit costs

 

[ne7minder]

If I understand it correctly, a school has 18 scholarships, but those 18 can be divided up into 'partial' scholarships. So you could have 12 players on 'full scholarship', and another 12 on 'half scholarship', etc.

As for 'redshirts' and goalies: I don't know in hockey how 'dressing' but then not playing gets counted, or not counted.

As long as they don't have a second of game time they can redshirt

 

[ne7minder]

I know we still have 2 games to play (hopefully) but I'm looking ahead to next year. Currently the roster shows 25 players which includes Pankowski and Clark. We only lose 3 seniors but in January it was announced 5 freshman will join the team next year including heralded recruits Sophie Shirley and Brita Curl. The team should be scary good, but I'm wondering how many scholarship players are we allowed to have? With a goaltender coming next fall that would make 5 goalies on the roster all juniors or younger. Are we expecting some attrition either from goalies or position players? Since Campbell played every minute of the season I'm assuming all 3 other goalies from this year could effectively redshirt if they all comeback?

BTW - be very careful about crowing about having surplus talent on the Badgers thread. A couple years ago there was a lot of complaining about some team having recruited 1 more player than they had places for. Despite that team having run with depleted numbers for years. You might get accused of "stashing"

 

[Timothy A]

Re: Wisconsin Badgers 2017-2018

I know we still have 2 games to play (hopefully) but I'm looking ahead to next year. Currently the roster shows 25 players which includes Pankowski and Clark. We only lose 3 seniors but in January it was announced 5 freshman will join the team next year including heralded recruits Sophie Shirley and Brita Curl. The team should be scary good, but I'm wondering how many scholarship players are we allowed to have? With a goaltender coming next fall that would make 5 goalies on the roster all juniors or younger. Are we expecting some attrition either from goalies or position players? Since Campbell played every minute of the season I'm assuming all 3 other goalies from this year could effectively redshirt if they all comeback?

Welcome to the board!

I love speculating about the future, harmless fun. I have lots of thoughts, but I'm going to talk goalie, my favorite subject. Right now the depth chart is Soup, Blesi, Cece, Baldwin (based on the line charts). I have no idea where Kronish fits in. First assumption is Kronish < Soup, a logical guess based on how crazy good Soup is. It makes sense to redshirt Kronish, you would want to have her be under Soup for the shortest possible time period (1 year). I think it would also make sense to RS Blesi to extend her out from under Soup another year (2 years), but if she's the #2, do you want to risk not having your 2 best goalies dressed in case of injury? It's pretty nuts that it went from looking like the Cece/Baldwin show to a 4/5 headed monster all in the matter of a few months. It will be fascinating to se how MJ handles this.

Tale of the tape:
Team D UW 1.19 Colgate 1.67
Team O Colgate 3.72 UW 3.32
Penalties UW 6.32 Colgate 8.62
PP Colgate 21% UW 18%
PK Colgate 90% UW 89%

Colgate has better special teams and scored more goals, UW has a better D.

 

[joecct]

Sadly I bet they are the only real band to show up this weekend.

Clarkson's Pep Band will be split between Ridder and Lake Placid.

 

[Nowheresville]

Re: Wisconsin Badgers 2017-2018

Interesting Forbes article about how "underpaid" Womens College Hockey Players are, specifically how Hillary Knight most underpaid player in the sports history in that she should have earned $775,000, based on a comparison of revenue vs. player pay in the NHL. Meghan Duggan was second would have earned $233k under the same analysis.

Of course, it's also comically inaccurate, because he appears to be using Mens Hockey Revenue or Mens/Womens combined for most of the schools. He claims the UW Womens program made $7M in revenue in 2012, and being that the Men's program only made $5.8M last year, that doesn't seem very likely.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidb...-really-exploited-hilary-knight/#34ac28ba55bc

 

[Nowheresville]

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Actually, after looking up the numbers, the problem isn't that he used the wrong numbers, it's that the numbers he used are extremely misleading. UW must have had to list the fundraising done for LaBahn as "revenue," and listed it as mostly for the Women's program. The Womens program's revenue spiked from 600k in 2010 to 2.3M in 2011 to 7.6M in 2012, then falling back down to 350k in 2013. (The mens programs revenue numbers also spiked from $5.3M to 6.7M to 12M and back to 4.5M in that same timeframe).

 

[robertearle]

Re: Wisconsin Badgers 2017-2018

Actually, after looking up the numbers, the problem isn't that he used the wrong numbers, it's that the numbers he used are extremely misleading. UW must have had to list the fundraising done for LaBahn as "revenue," and listed it as mostly for the Women's program. The Womens program's revenue spiked from 600k in 2010 to 2.3M in 2011 to 7.6M in 2012, then falling back down to 350k in 2013. (The mens programs revenue numbers also spiked from $5.3M to 6.7M to 12M and back to 4.5M in that same timeframe).

He also calls Knight UW's best player in 2012. While that is certainly an arguable postition, Decker won the Kaz that year. So....

 

[pokechecker]

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“A worker is exploited … if their economic value is greater than their wages.”




Most question what you read on the internet these days as fact, but in reality we are at the point where all media is highly suspect as far as facts go. (I'm trying hard not to say FAKE) According to the article the average fan spent $69 at a NoDak game in 2013, that’s a lot of hot dogs, chips ‘n cheese wiz. He mentions revenue but doesn’t mention expenses, no small item considering every D1 program loses at least a million a year. Even if we assume the Badgers sold out every game and play 20 home games a year, neither of which they actually do, that would only be $300,000 a year. Badgers fans must eat a lot of junk at the games for them to come up with the revenue they are claiming. In the end Knight or any other player hasn’t been exploited, not even hoops of football players. They know exactly what they are signing up for and do so on their free will.

 

[ARM]

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According to the article the average fan spent $69 at a NoDak game in 2013, that’s a lot of hot dogs, chips ‘n cheese wiz.

NoDak sells alcohol at games, which increases concessions considerably over those offering only soft drinks.

 

[Nowheresville]

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Everything that was written was based on a fact, the problem is the analysis is so poor that it's barely worthy of a "D" in a college level class - and that's noteworthy being that the author is a Professor of Economics. It's a classic case of starting with garbage data will end with garbage results.

It's pretty clear he never bothered to even do a cursory examination to make sure they make sense. Even starting at the end, he concluded Knight's "value" was more than 3 times higher than Duggan's - who was second on the list - and yet he didn't bother to look at why Knight was such a huge outlier. That alone should have caused him to notice that UW's "revenue" increased 1000% between 2010 and 2012, and then fell right back down to 2010 levels again in 2013.

You've also got just the logical "back of the napkin" calculations that for North Dakota, like pokechecker mentioned, that it just doesn't make sense that you could make $1.3M in North Dakota based on their attendance of 20,000 fans for the year (That's a lot of beer, even at arena prices!), or even more bluntly, the numbers reported to the Department of Education indicate that ND's womens hockey program generated $2.1M in revenue, and had only $400k in expenses - yet despite those reported numbers claiming a profit of about $1.5M a year they shut down the program claiming annual losses of $2M. Or you've got Minnesota who lead the sport in attendance in 2016, and only reported $400k in revenue, while Minnesota State had just 3,200 fans for the entire season and reported nearly $1M in revenue!

I don't know how or what goes into the numbers, I suspect generic "athletic department" donations make up some of it, or you've got donations that support "ice hockey" that are split evenly for reporting purposes, especially when you've got mens and womens teams sharing facilities. I'd guess that the numbers that Minnesota is providing are probably pretty close to accurate based only on ticket sales and gameday spending (their average reported revenue works out to a little less than $10 per fan per game), which means the calculations for the recent Gopher players - who were all at the bottom of the list, "earning" $36k/year, are about right, and also very much in line of what a full year scholarship is worth.

But I guess that kind of article wouldn't generate much in the way of headlines - so it's just easier to right something that common sense says can't be true, and then sprinkle in the phrase "if the numbers are true" a few times.

 

[robertearle]

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Tale of the tape:
Team D UW 1.19 Colgate 1.67
Team O Colgate 3.72 UW 3.32
Penalties UW 6.32 Colgate 8.62
PP Colgate 21% UW 18%
PK Colgate 90% UW 89%

Colgate has better special teams and scored more goals, UW has a better D.

While watching a replay of the Colgate-Northeastern game, the guy doing the play-by-play mentioned one noteworthy stat: he said Colgate was the only team in country that had ten players with 20 or more points. I thought "And the Badgers don't?!".

So I looked. Colgate does indeed have ten players with 20 or more points. And Wisconsin only has nine... with two more (Pettit and Rowe) currently sitting at 19 points. Colgate's next two players have 12 and 11 points. So Colgate goes 12 deep in players with double digit points. Wisconsin goes 15 deep in players in double digits.

So, I'm sure his point was 'Colgate goes very deep in offensive firepower', and they certainly do. And UW needs to ready for that. But then, so do the Badgers.

 

[bluffrinkrat]

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You've also got just the logical "back of the napkin" calculations that for North Dakota, like pokechecker mentioned, that it just doesn't make sense that you could make $1.3M in North Dakota based on their attendance of 20,000 fans for the year (That's a lot of beer, even at arena prices!), or even more bluntly, the numbers reported to the Department of Education indicate that ND's womens hockey program generated $2.1M in revenue, and had only $400k in expenses - yet despite those reported numbers claiming a profit of about $1.5M a year they shut down the program claiming annual losses of $2M. Or you've got Minnesota who lead the sport in attendance in 2016, and only reported $400k in revenue, while Minnesota State had just 3,200 fans for the entire season and reported nearly $1M in revenue!

I can only comment on the beer consumption, albeit based on a very limited number of games. We've only been to 5 women's hockey games at "The Ralph" and I've never noticed anyone drinking beer and I'm sure I would have in my trips to buy hot chocolate or the trips from the result of those purchases. We've also been to 5 games in Mankato including a trip to 1 game down and back this year. The only beer I saw being consumed was in my own hand this season. It was a can of Kato beer with a picture of perhaps Bruce Lee on it. It wasn't exactly "a knockout" despite what it claimed on the can. The purchase was a nostalgic thing for when we used to have keggers in the remaining site of the old Mankato Brewery in the early 70's. A lot of alcohol consumption to explain the revenue? This is women's hockey after all, it's not exactly a beer drinking crowd (at least not at the arena my wife says I should add).

 

[Nowheresville]

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Based on the reported revenue and attendance numbers, Mankato is generating $308 per fan per game! If they're doing that with Beer sales, then what the hell are the Badgers doing selling RC Cola?

 

[bluffrinkrat]

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Based on the reported revenue and attendance numbers, Mankato is generating $308 per fan per game! If they're doing that with Beer sales, then what the hell are the Badgers doing selling RC Cola?

The older lady that was selling the beer at the Mankato game we attended this year had a very small cart with maybe 4 different kinds of beer for sale and on display. We were early to the game and so we visited with her for 20 minutes or so. I reminisced with her about my college days there when I was able to buy 50 cent glasses of beer at the Square Deal bar. I mentioned remembering Alan Page walking around campus carrying law books and also seeing Charlie West with a very large snake hung over his shoulders. My Joe Kapp story I kept to myself. I did mention the late Karl Kassulke's motorcycle accident in 1973 which she also sadly remembered. Several other Gopher fans walked by, but no one else bought any beer while we were there. Maybe all the beer sales came from "Wally the Beer Man" walking thru the stands, but I never saw him.

 

[pokechecker]

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The older lady that was selling the beer at the Mankato game we attended this year had a very small cart with maybe 4 different kinds of beer for sale and on display. We were early to the game and so we visited with her for 20 minutes or so. I reminisced with her about my college days there when I was able to buy 50 cent glasses of beer at the Square Deal bar. I mentioned remembering Alan Page walking around campus carrying law books and also seeing Charlie West with a very large snake hung over his shoulders. My Joe Kapp story I kept to myself. I did mention the late Karl Kassulke's motorcycle accident in 1973 which she also sadly remembered. Several other Gopher fans walked by, but no one else bought any beer while we were there. Maybe all the beer sales came from "Wally the Beer Man" walking thru the stands, but I never saw him.

but you mentioned his name

if no Badger will step in and tell you to keep your reminiscing in the Gopher thread, I will. Only in MN, the beer man & Joe Kapp, what a bunch of chumps we are

 

[bluffrinkrat]

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but you mentioned his name

if no Badger will step in and tell you to keep your reminiscing in the Gopher thread, I will. Only in MN, the beer man & Joe Kapp, what a bunch of chumps we are

What says Wisconsin more than beer stories? Hey, Wally is great. He helped me get through a lot of Saint's baseball games. Joe Kapp? Yeah, I shouldn't have mentioned him. He was the beginning to a lot of bad endings in postseason for the Vikings which even Brett Favre couldn't fix.

 

[pokechecker]

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What says Wisconsin more than beer stories? Hey, Wally is great. He helped me get through a lot of Saint's baseball games. Joe Kapp? Yeah, I shouldn't have mentioned him. He was the beginning to a lot of bad endings in postseason for the Vikings which even Brett Favre couldn't fix.

Well yeah, but those are all MN beer, or more precisely cheap St. Paul beer
Really only worth drinking if you wanted a good puke

WI has Bart Star
MN has Joe Kapp
They have Brett Favre the SB winner
We have Brett Farve the loser
They have the Swedish bikini team
We have Wally the beer man
‘nuff said