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Wisconsin Badgers 2016-2017

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On the Channel hit, it was an elbow to the head. Neither ref raised on arm on the play and the crowd as I said was looking for ropes. After a lengthy discussion Capocasa gives the elbowing sign and then they issue the penalty. The question I have is if you don't signal a penalty during the play, is it legit to call a penalty after the whistle?
 
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Timothy A said:
On the Channel hit, it was an elbow to the head. Neither ref raised on arm on the play and the crowd as I said was looking for ropes. After a lengthy discussion Capocasa gives the elbowing sign and then they issue the penalty. The question I have is if you don't signal a penalty during the play, is it legit to call a penalty after the whistle?
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It is my understanding that a linesman can 'report' a penalty to a ref; and that the kind of situation(s) Sunday - the Ryan hit, and I thought was also coming, with the Laurel Williams hit - a stoppage of play just at that point in time is when they can do so. I assume that's what happened.
 
robertearle said:
It is my understanding that a linesman can 'report' a penalty to a ref; and that the kind of situation(s) Sunday - the Ryan hit, and I thought was also coming, with the Laurel Williams hit - a stoppage of play just at that point in time is when they can do so. I assume that's what happened.
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The AR could do it immediately, but that day is long gone. Hopefully the WCHA takes a look at the replay. A game in the stands is possible (probable?)
 
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Timothy A said:
On the Channel hit, it was an elbow to the head.
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That was Rebekah Kolstad again. She deliberately raised her right arm and then delivered an elbow and forearm to Channels' upper chest/lower head area.

She had four penalties in the game. Another one that I saw was in the third period.. Kolstad and Pankowski ran into each other (lightly), and Kolstad followed up with a punch to Pankowski's head with her left. She knocked Pankowski down. Pankowski is not a light weight.

Maybe Kolstad could get one game for the hit on Channel and one game for the hit on Pankowski.
 
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KTDC said:
That was Rebekah Kolstad again. She deliberately raised her right arm and then delivered an elbow and forearm to Channels' upper chest/lower head area.

She had four penalties in the game. Another one that I saw was in the third period.. Kolstad and Pankowski ran into each other (lightly), and Kolstad followed up with a punch to Pankowski's head with her left. She knocked Pankowski down. Pankowski is not a light weight.

Maybe Kolstad could get one game for the hit on Channel and one game for the hit on Pankowski.
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I didn't know she was the one who popped Pankowski. What a Beotch.
 
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Nice - Annie does her share of behind the scenes stick work but a punch to the head is not acceptable. Is their a history between the two? Sounds strange that a punch would be thrown if the hit was light?
 
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joecct said:
. . . Hopefully the WCHA takes a look at the replay. A game in the stands is possible (probable?)
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Don't hold your breath on the WCHA taking any action. Over the last few years I have seen several particularly ugly incidents out of UND (and a couple from a pair of now gone Buckeyes) that I thought might get the WCHA's attention & nothing. A couple years ago I emailed Shepard after LaShomb intentionally injured a ref which was totally out of line and she got nothing. If they don't care about the safety of their officials why would they care about the players?
 
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Mark Johnson answered a question about players 'going over the line' at his weekly press conf today. He said there were maybe two or three times it happened on Saturday, and then another one or two on Sunday. And that it is the responsibility of the coaches and the refs to try to keep it from happening, and to take action when it does to prevent it from happening again in the future, etc.

About halfway through; three minutes or so in:
https://twitter.com/BadgerWHockey/status/823682565563437057
 
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I don't think anyone needs to reel anything in when discussing Kolstad or Dahlquist. Their actions & the mouth on the latter make them fair game for any language. The coaches should shoulder the blame though. They allow it & coach it...so what the heck...they are just doing what they are told to do.
Fun team to play! How does that team lose to Lindenwood & Syracuse? Simple...they have some refs that can control the game!
 
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GopherBadger said:
I don't think anyone needs to reel anything in when discussing Kolstad or Dahlquist. Their actions & the mouth on the latter make them fair game for any language. The coaches should shoulder the blame though. They allow it & coach it...so what the heck...they are just doing what they are told to do.
Fun team to play! How does that team lose to Lindenwood & Syracuse? Simple...they have some refs that can control the game!
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The sue would have played more than 50% of the game shorthanded if the ref's called everything, which they always should. It's just nuts what these 2 refs let go. For the record UW got away with some stuff too. The more physical the sue played UW got chippy as well. Pankowski, Clark and Roque can be a little chippy once and awhile.
 
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Timothy A said:
The sue would have played more than 50% of the game shorthanded if the ref's called everything, which they always should. It's just nuts what these 2 refs let go.
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Wisconsin averages 3.84 penalties per game. North Dakota averages 4.26 penalties per game. Both team's most penalized player averages about 1 penalty minute per game.

So I can completely understand why one team is full of goons, but the other team is only a "little chippy once in a while."
 
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EastFan1 said:
Wisconsin averages 3.84 penalties per game. North Dakota averages 4.26 penalties per game. Both team's most penalized player averages about 1 penalty minute per game.

So I can completely understand why one team is full of goons, but the other team is only a "little chippy once in a while."
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Refs, once they have started calling penalties, tend to keep calling penalties. That is, a 'low penalty' game tends to remain so, while a 'high-penalty' game tends to get more and more penalty laden. So instead of just looking at penalty totals, I'd be inclined to want to look at other factors and how they affected the number of penalties; quality of opponent, particular reffing pair, home/away, etc etc.

As a simple starting point, Wisconsin has taken one fewer penalty than their opponents (and that one more happens to have been the only major called in any Badger game this year), while UND has taken 24 more penalties than their opponents (with their opponents having taken zero majors, while UND has taken two). 23 of those 24 'additional' penalties for UND have come in conference games.

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Expanding on that a bit: In conference games this season, Wisconsin has taken one more penalty than their opponents, Minnesota one fewer, Duluth five fewer, Ohio State one fewer, Bemidji 17 (!?!) fewer, St Cloud and Mankato are dead even. And North Dakota has taken 23 more penalties than their opponents.

(yes, I looked at the two UND vs Bemidji games to see if there was something unusual there. Nope, UND was 'plus two' in each game.)
 
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EastFan1 said:
Wisconsin averages 3.84 penalties per game. North Dakota averages 4.26 penalties per game. Both team's most penalized player averages about 1 penalty minute per game.

So I can completely understand why one team is full of goons, but the other team is only a "little chippy once in a while."
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There's a difference between an interference or a trip and an elbow to the head or using your stick as if it's an axe. Stats don't nearly tell the tale. The "little chippy" is a shove or an in your face meeting post whistle. Wisconsin players don't play the way the sue play, no one does other than maybe Kato, or the dawgs under Ms Miller. The refs and the league should not allow any of this crap and it would not be an issue.
 
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It's a notable strategy to play a faster team more physically for the purpose of slowing down the play.

Were the refs great in the series? Far from it, but it wasn't an easy series to officiate either. The crowd at LaBahn can certainly be intimidating, but if a home crowd dictated officiating, I don't think a visiting team would ever receive a power play. So the crowd's reaction is anything but a moot point.

From my opinion there wasn't any malicious contact, from either team, over the weekend. The elbow was a non-call at first, they debated and gave it a minor. The play that resulted in Williams going down was a non-call and after a long debate, stayed a non-call.

Just because a team played stronger and more physically that yours doesn't automatically make them "goons." It's also interesting to note that when ever a UND player was knocked down in the game, she got back up to her feet more quickly, as compared to Badger players, who more often than not, tended to try to sell sympathy to the refs. Wouldn't surprise me if former punter Brad Nortman (e.g. 2011 Big Ten title game) became a coach for the Badger women. I can't recall ever seeing Duggan or Knight getting knocked down and complaining to the refs, they got back up on their feet and wanted to compete. The younger players could learn from that and try to play with more grit.

Badgers are a great team, no taking that away. Just stop complaining that you got out-muscled and couldn't get your free Culver's.
 
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HankScorpio said:
Wouldn't surprise me if former punter Brad Nortman (e.g. 2011 Big Ten title game) became a coach for the Badger women. ... Just stop complaining that you got out-muscled and couldn't get your free Culver's.
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(Brad Nortman has been punting in the NFL every year since he finished college. And Culver's hasn't had a "five goal free-for-all" at women's game for four or so years now. Men's game, yes, but not at the women's games.)
 
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