Wisconsin Badgers 2016-2017

[robertearle]

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I believe it is similar to the basketball rule, where the whistle goes if the team with the injured player gets control or if the injured player is in imminent danger. For something like a player cut by a skate and bleeding all over or crashing head first into the boards and not moving, then player safety should take precedence over the game. This rule leads to a lot of heroic efforts by players to make it off the ice, particularly when a leg is clearly not functioning.

the player was Jessica Dunne, who took a slapshot to the knee near the left faceoff circle that rebounded out to center ice. It was during a Ohio PK with sister Jincy Dunne in the box. She was down in the faceoff circle, and wasn't going anywhere without help.

The good news was/is that Jessica make it back onto the ice in the 3rd period, to pick up her second penalty of the night. In all, the Dunne family had three.

(The refs were horribly inconsistent, both ways. Each team could have had four or five more penalties, based on what was called. The refs either needed to call many more, or - preferably - many fewer.)

 

[Badger Booster]

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Game observations......reffing sucked. 16 so called penalties, Bauer and Enge were clueless.

Roque seemed to have the puck on her stick all night, very impressive. Mauermann looked good in Shaver's spot. Nurse/McKibbon/Norby is still out of sync. Nurse is not getting nearly enough good looks. I like Gardner's shake and bake for a D.

What is the protocol for stopping play for an injured player? An OSU player was laying on the ice clearly not getting up for at least 15 seconds before the whistle blew. UW even ended up getting a 2-0 out of it as she laid there in her own D zone when the puck came back in.

Kind of an odd vibe last night. Big crowd with no band (even though no other competing game on-campus). I know it was the season opener, but it was one of the bigger crowds I can remember for an early October game.

Rolled in 5 minutes late and, of course, missed the quick goal by Clark. For the first two periods, the Badgers just seemed a little out of sync. Ohio State is a physically big team. I thought so just watching them, then when I checked the roster, 19 out of 22 players are 5'8" or taller.

Even though Desbiens only faced 15 shots, several of them were high-quality scoring chances caused by defensive lapses, which is frustrating.

Game seemed to change on the 2nd Clark goal. If memory serves, she came charging up the left side and when the defensemen fell down, it was game over. She seemed to provide a high majority of the energy from the top 2 lines. On the other hand, the Wellhausen-Roque-Mauermann line was engaged all night. Wellhausen and Mauermann were giving up a ton of height/weight, but were getting to loose pucks and were fairly strong with the puck. As said above, Roque looked very comfortable and always around the puck.

The 3rd period shifted to the Badgers. It's where the depth really pays off. They had energy left and Ohio State looked gassed. Plus there had to be some frustration. Buckeyes were playing pretty well (Sauve was really solid in goal) and still on the wrong end of a 3-0 game.

Lastly, congrats to Desbiens for breaking Vetter's career shutout streak.

Quick turnaround with a 1:00 face-off today. It'll be interesting what the energy levels are for both teams.

 

[robertearle]

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"Rolled in 5 minutes late and, of course, missed the quick goal by Clark."

That means you also missed the ugliest of the bad give-aways by the D. Within the first minute, a no look pass across Desbien's crease with nobody in white to receive the pass. Big save by Desbien in the first thirty seconds (?) of the game.

"Ohio State is a physically big team."

Badger freshman forwards: 5' 5", 5' 2", 5' 7", 5' 6"

I thought their passing was not sharp; many times, a slightly off pass killed the skater's momentum, leading to missed opportunities. They looked like a team that has only been together a couple weeks. They'll get much, much better.

 

[WiscDC]

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If OSU is really good at one component of their defense, it's the "make the right plays to prevent good scoring chances while in stuck in your own zone" component. They were good and bad, which was interesting to watch.

 

[Call It]

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Tied Ohio 1-1, LOL!!! Perhaps more time practicing shooting the puck to score.... perhaps to much hype for this team

 

[Badger Booster]

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.... perhaps to much hype for this team

Perhaps, or maybe TOO much good OSU goaltending or TOO much good OSU team defense or TOO many shots hitting the pipes/crossbar. Hard to say, probably TOO early to tell.

 

[ne7minder]

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If OSU is really good at one component of their defense, it's the "make the right plays to prevent good scoring chances while in stuck in your own zone" component. They were good and bad, which was interesting to watch.

exactly. Same for BSU, they pin the puck to the boards & just grind & grind then they clog the slot & pray they can get a goal. Sometimes it works. It's early and no team goes undefeated. We can send OSU and BSU postcards from Sr. Charles this March.

 

[Badger Booster]

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I thought the Badgers actually played a little better today or at least more evenly throughout the game compared to last night. Played with a sense of urgency for most of the game, just couldn't solve Sauve until the late game-tying goal (though did hit a crossbar once or twice).

The shoot-out really is a dink way to earn an extra full point. With that said, the Roque goal was easily the sweetest move/shot of the shoot-out. I was initially surprised when she came up as the 2nd Badger shooter. They should at least go to best-of-5 if they are committed to it. Has there been any talk of going 4-on-4 in OT?

Overall, I liked what I saw this weekend and the tie today doesn't look as bad with some of the other upsets in the league.

 

[WiscDC]

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Has there been any talk of going 4-on-4 in OT?

It was discussed, but they're not doing it (for now): http://www.ncaa.com/news/icehockey-...nd-womens-ice-hockey-overtime-proposal-tabled

 

[joecct]

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Anyone here going to Potsdam next weekend?

 

[Timothy A]

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We can send OSU and BSU postcards from Sr. Charles this March.

LOL. That's not even that fun to watch and I can't imagine it's fun to play either. Whenever you play not to lose you lose. That sort of hunker down lets have 6 shots on goal the whole game mentality can't be rewarded with a win. If I were UW or UM, I'd actually dump the puck out of the O zone on occasion to create more transition chances.

I wish the UW D on the OSU goal would have not allowed the OSU player to cross in front of the net without engaging the player physically with the body or a stick check. Poor play.

 

[ne7minder]

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LOL. That's not even that fun to watch and I can't imagine it's fun to play either. Whenever you play not to lose you lose. That sort of hunker down lets have 6 shots on goal the whole game mentality can't be rewarded with a win. If I were UW or UM, I'd actually dump the puck out of the O zone on occasion to create more transition chances.

I wish the UW D on the OSU goal would have not allowed the OSU player to cross in front of the net without engaging the player physically with the body or a stick check. Poor play.

It's a grinding game. BSU would get the puck to the wall & just grind & poke until they could get the puck. If the Gophers came away with it there would be 10 skates & 5 sticks you had to shoot through before Mowatt would need a save. Mowatt made 3-4 amazing saves & BSU got an early goal which is never good as it allows them to stay in they style. While I admire the heck out of a team that has the discipline to stick with that style it is no fun to watch. They got a big helping hand from the refs this weekend. There were many times chances were disrupted by holding & interference. One particularly egregious incident M had a 2 on 2, there was a beautiful feed across the slot but the receiver could do nothing because she had a Beaver literally wrapped around her with both arms, no call.

With all the grinding I imagine the women are tired after a game like this.

 

[robertearle]

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It was discussed, but they're not doing it (for now): http://www.ncaa.com/news/icehockey-...nd-womens-ice-hockey-overtime-proposal-tabled

There was a moment just before the start of OT yesterday when UW had four skaters on the ice starting to line up for the opening faceoff, and OSU had four skaters on the ice starting to line up; and Nurse (I think it was) got on the ice and started out, and then stopped, and looked back to the bench, and took a step back to the bench, as if to say "Wait, is this 4-on-4 now?"

And then continued out as a fifth OSU skater came out.

For a moment, I wasn't sure, either. It was borderline comical.

 

[Puckdrop14]

There was a moment just before the start of OT yesterday when UW had four skaters on the ice starting to line up for the opening faceoff, and OSU had four skaters on the ice starting to line up; and Nurse (I think it was) got on the ice and started out, and then stopped, and looked back to the bench, and took a step back to the bench, as if to say "Wait, is this 4-on-4 now?"

And then continued out as a fifth OSU skater came out.

For a moment, I wasn't sure, either. It was borderline comical.

What was really comical was that penalty call on Boyle with around 3 minutes left in the game after they let so much go in the 3rd. You know what I mean?

 

[WiscDC]

There was a moment just before the start of OT yesterday when UW had four skaters on the ice starting to line up for the opening faceoff, and OSU had four skaters on the ice starting to line up; and Nurse (I think it was) got on the ice and started out, and then stopped, and looked back to the bench, and took a step back to the bench, as if to say "Wait, is this 4-on-4 now?"

And then continued out as a fifth OSU skater came out.

For a moment, I wasn't sure, either. It was borderline comical.

I had the same thoughts. "Wait, was that for this year or next year? Didn't they decide not to do it? No wait, it was happening, right?" I remembered it came up over the summer, but I forgot everything else about that proposal.

 

[WiscDC]

LOL. That's not even that fun to watch and I can't imagine it's fun to play either. Whenever you play not to lose you lose. That sort of hunker down lets have 6 shots on goal the whole game mentality can't be rewarded with a win. If I were UW or UM, I'd actually dump the puck out of the O zone on occasion to create more transition chances.

I wish the UW D on the OSU goal would have not allowed the OSU player to cross in front of the net without engaging the player physically with the body or a stick check. Poor play.

I don't necessarily think it's about "playing not to lose" as much as it's about UW's roster outmatching OSU's in most areas, having a goalie who's tough to beat, and having players who are good enough to get in those lanes that the Badgers were trying to find. Unfortunately, "[team A] is better at [these things]" doesn't make for interesting analysis, even if it tells the story. I didn't think OSU was sitting back this weekend, even after holding the lead for a while. They just couldn't make the plays the wanted to, because Wisconsin was faster, was better at puck battles, etc, as evidenced by OSU trying to enter the zone properly - the UW players managed to straight-up steal the puck.

 

[NMH]

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Most of the coaches were asked about OT rules in the WCHA preseason phone call. IIRC Schlossman was the one that asked, so you may be able to find something he wrote on it, I'm not sure.

For the most part, the coaches are against it. The feeling seemed to be that it would be bad for competitive balance and widen the gap between top and bottom teams even more. There was talk about how big the ice is in St. Cloud or how no one would really like to watch Minnesota State in that case.

 

[ARM]

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Most of the coaches were asked about OT rules in the WCHA preseason phone call. IIRC Schlossman was the one that asked, so you may be able to find something he wrote on it, I'm not sure.

For the most part, the coaches are against it. The feeling seemed to be that it would be bad for competitive balance and widen the gap between top and bottom teams even more. There was talk about how big the ice is in St. Cloud or how no one would really like to watch Minnesota State in that case.

IIRC, Idalski and Crowell were the two coaches who spoke out in favor of a 4-on-4 OT. You can listen to the coaches' comments here if you like (under Desbiens' photo).

 

[rangersrule]

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Kind of an odd vibe last night. Big crowd with no band (even though no other competing game on-campus). I know it was the season opener, but it was one of the bigger crowds I can remember for an early October game.

Rolled in 5 minutes late and, of course, missed the quick goal by Clark. For the first two periods, the Badgers just seemed a little out of sync. Ohio State is a physically big team. I thought so just watching them, then when I checked the roster, 19 out of 22 players are 5'8" or taller.

Even though Desbiens only faced 15 shots, several of them were high-quality scoring chances caused by defensive lapses, which is frustrating.

Game seemed to change on the 2nd Clark goal. If memory serves, she came charging up the left side and when the defensemen fell down, it was game over. She seemed to provide a high majority of the energy from the top 2 lines. On the other hand, the Wellhausen-Roque-Mauermann line was engaged all night. Wellhausen and Mauermann were giving up a ton of height/weight, but were getting to loose pucks and were fairly strong with the puck. As said above, Roque looked very comfortable and always around the puck.

The 3rd period shifted to the Badgers. It's where the depth really pays off. They had energy left and Ohio State looked gassed. Plus there had to be some frustration. Buckeyes were playing pretty well (Sauve was really solid in goal) and still on the wrong end of a 3-0 game.

Lastly, congrats to Desbiens for breaking Vetter's career shutout streak.
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Quick turnaround with a 1:00 face-off today. It'll be interesting what the energy levels are for both teams.

Well kudos to the Ohio St. goaltender Sauve as she was definitely the difference in the game on Saturday as the Badgers outshot the Buckeyes 39 to 7. I think so far through the first four games of this season the most consistent line has been the Badgers third line. They played really well again this past weekend (even without Shaver) and seemed to create scoring chances on many of their shifts. Because of their speed on the forecheck they spent a majority of their time in the Ohio St. zone seemingly buzzing around creating havoc on the Buckeye defense. On a couple occasions both Wellhausen and Roque came close to scoring the go-ahead goal late in the third period. I really loved the way Mauermann stepped in and took Shavers spot on the line. She and Wellhausen were fun to watch especially on the penalty kill. As for the first two lines, there just seems to be something missing. I'm not really sure what it is but, they are just not jiving. There were glimpses in the first game this weekend with Clark scoring twice, so I'm sure the first line will figure it out. Pankowski is a world class player with a ton of skill but, she hasn't scored a goal yet and has only registered 9 shots on goal through the first 4 games. I have a ton of respect for the type of player she is and I'm sure she will get it going. With the second line (or first on Saturday) I just don't see the chemistry with Norby. I know she is a very highly thought of recruit and USA Hockey prospect. And she was a stellar high school player in Minnesota. Again, I'm sure she will figure it out but, both Nurse and McKibbon haven't gotten on track at all yet this season. The power play was also only 1 for 11 on the weekend. I'm wondering if the coaching staff might shuffle things around a bit. Up to this point the team has only scored 14 goals through the first 4 games and the third line has scored 5 of those goals. Gotta get the first two lines going! BTW-- what a beautiful shootout winner Roque scored!

 

[Timothy A]

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3rd line has been the best line so far, interestingly with either Mauermann or Shaver, out of the 9.25 periods I have watched. Maybe they need to stick Mauermann with McKibbon and Nurse, she is small, but she is a wreckingball out there. She could generate some chances with her tenacity. I think the Pankowski/Clark/Cogan line will come around since they did play together last year. To date the best F to me has been Roque. The puck always seems to be on her stick when she's out there. Let's have some fun...

Nurse Roque Wellhausen
Pankowski Clark Mauermann
Shaver McKibbon Cogan
Johnson Norby