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Which is the bigger conference title-RS or tournament?

Which is the bigger conference title-RS or tournament?

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Re: Which is the bigger conference title-RS or tournament?

Onion Man said:
The New York Yankees won the 2004 American League Eastern Division Championship. I wonder if Yankee fans remember who won the World Series that year?

Regular Season crown means jack $hit.
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They call the playoffs a new season. Any team can win with that small a sample size (a couple games, compared to a whole season).

Anyway, to compare baseball (or any other pro sport, for that matter), who doesn't have a conference tourney before the "real" tourney, is ludicrous at best.

If you want to compare, then look at college bouncyball/football/(baseball? Dunno too much about that) with similar structures of reg season then conf tourney then national tourney.
 
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Brenthoven said:
They call the playoffs a new season. Any team can win with that small a sample size (a couple games, compared to a whole season).

Anyway, to compare baseball (or any other pro sport, for that matter), who doesn't have a conference tourney before the "real" tourney, is ludicrous at best.

If you want to compare, then look at college bouncyball/football/(baseball? Dunno too much about that) with similar structures of reg season then conf tourney then national tourney.
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Agreed, the World Series and the Nat'l Title are the comparables. The Conference tournament is like if their were "divisional" playoffs involving all of the teams in baseball before the real playoffs start, and no matter what the Royals did in the regular season, they would still have a shot at the playoffs every year.

Also, in the WCHA, correct me if I'm wrong, but until 1982 the winner of the WCHA playoffs was not the WCHA "playoff champion," they just won a spot in the NCAA tournament, and usually between the start of the tournament in 1960 and the start of the "modern" WCHA tournament in 1982, there were two "winners" of the WCHA playoffs. I know Minnesota does not hang banners for the eight times they were the WCHA tournament winners before 1982. I don't think Michigan Tech does either, and as mentioned before, North Dakota does not hang banners for any of their WCHA playoff titles. THE WCHA Champion (officially, according to the league) always has been and still is the Regular Season (MacNaughten Cup) Champion.
 
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Winning the conference tourney is not a "championship". Why you would hang a banner for it is beyond me. Of course teams hang banners for winning a holiday tourney too, and most of those take at most two wins in two days. Heck why not hang a banner every time you sweep a series.

Winning the conference tourney only proves that you got hot for three weeks and it's a back door for a poor team to pull a couple upsets, make the 16 team NCAA field and bump a more deserving team that was a consistant winner over the regular season. And yes, this is being posted by someone who supports a team whose only shot to make the NCAAs over the last decade would have been to win the conference tourney.

Even the LA Clippers get hot win a few games in a row once in a while, but no one is awarding them with a spot in the NBA playoffs because of it. On the other hand, my logic would suggest that the NCAA champion would be based on the regular season as well, rather than just winning four games. But since teams only play a few games out of conference each season the NCAA tourney is the only real chance that "the best" teams (that's always debatable) get a chance to face each other regardless of their conference.

Just saying...
Ryan J
 
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kdiff77 said:
Agreed, but when was the last time a RS first-place finisher did not make the NCAAs? Maybe in the AHA or CHA, but it probably doesn't happen often.
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I believe that ended after #1 Colorado College was upset by #10 Michigan Tech during the 1993-94 conference first round best-of-three playoffs. CC lost the series 2-1 and then got snubbed by the NCAA selection committee for the field that year (which was only 12 teams at the time). Autobids for the regular season conference winner were instituted one or two seasons later.

Ryan J
 
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You may know this already JJ, and I'm on your side in the argument, but the regular season autobid no longer exists. Due to the wording of your post I just couldn't tell if you thought it was still around.
 
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I see a lot of people talking about how the conference tournament is a big sign of NCAA success. I guess I didn't realize that was part of the question before I answered.

I look at it this way: You win the regular season championship, and the conference tournament, then lose in the semis and have nothing to show for the NCAA appearance. Which trophy are you going to be more proud of?

I pick regular season championship.
 
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Picked conference tournament - since that is the practically the ONLY way Atlantic Teams like RIT can make the NCAA tournament.
 
Re: Which is the bigger conference title-RS or tournament?

this is essentially polling unh fans on uscho vs fans of everyone else.
 
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Look at what the Sioux did last season...they were fighting for a #5 seed for first round in the WCHA tourney, then they win the knock-out games and take home the conference tourney trophy. They were the hot team at that time. Regular season is much bigger, IMO. It's harder to obtain (I'm not downplaying winning a number of games in a row though at all).
 
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The regular season is nice, but it isn't necessarily a ticket to the big dance and a chance at the national championship (unless you take it running away, then you'll likely get an at-large bid). The conference title, or tournament title, is your ticket to the big dance.
 
Re: Which is the bigger conference title-RS or tournament?

FlagDUDE08 said:
The regular season is nice, but it isn't necessarily a ticket to the big dance and a chance at the national championship (unless you take it running away, then you'll likely get an at-large bid). The conference title, or tournament title, is your ticket to the big dance.
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So the regular season title (OR CONFERENCE TITLE, in other words) is nice but won't necessarily get you to the big dance, but the CONFERENCE TITLE or tournament title will?

Excuse me while I hit myself over the head with the McNaughton Cup while I try and forget the stupidity of your post.
 
Re: Which is the bigger conference title-RS or tournament?

Just ask UNH fans....they consistently win the RS and fall flat in the tournaments....
 
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The regular season title gets you the top seed to play for the championship. The tournament title is the championship. Nobody cares who wins the President's Trophy in the NHL, nobody cares who has the best regular season record in the NFL or the NBA or MLB, or NCAA basketball or NCAA football, or in minor league hockey, or in any other North American sports league that has a postseason tournament. NCAA hockey (and, really, mainly just the WCHA) is, like, the only place where people claim that the best regular season record is more important. I think subconsciously it's just because of how ridiculously oversized the MacNaughton Cup is.
 
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jmh said:
The regular season title gets you the top seed to play for the championship. The tournament title is the championship. Nobody cares who wins the President's Trophy in the NHL, nobody cares who has the best regular season record in the NFL or the NBA or MLB, or NCAA basketball or NCAA football, or in minor league hockey, or in any other North American sports league that has a postseason tournament. NCAA hockey (and, really, mainly just the WCHA) is, like, the only place where people claim that the best regular season record is more important. I think subconsciously it's just because of how ridiculously oversized the MacNaughton Cup is.
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Officially, the WCHA title is awarded to the regular season champion. That just is, its not an opinion. The Conference Tournament is like if the NHL, between the regular season and the playoffs, held a mini set of playoffs within the divisions that gave the Islanders another chance, even though their terrible once again, and which the Rangers won because Lundqvist got hot. Whoop-de-doo.
 
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Onion Man said:
The New York Yankees won the 2004 American League Eastern Division Championship. I wonder if Yankee fans remember who won the World Series that year?
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2004 is a year i just like to forget ever happened, thank you very much. As I recall, 2004 was the year Brown finished third after being in 1st for most of the year and falling out of the top 15 towards the end of the season, and then was swept at home by !!!!!!HARVARD!!!!!!:eek: :eek: :mad: :mad: :( :( in the quarterfinals. Then there was the ALCS debacle for the Yankees. The Giants finished a disgraceful 6-10. It was just a frustrating year. Let's not procure any bad memories, hmm?
 
Re: Which is the bigger conference title-RS or tournament?

Onion Man said:
The New York Yankees won the 2004 American League Eastern Division Championship. I wonder if Yankee fans remember who won the World Series that year?

Regular Season crown means jack $hit.
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well, since only UNH fans reasonably believe a regular season title is better than a national title, the better baseball analogy for that year is the AL pennant (not the world series); but since the same team won that your moot still stands

stop trying to make us cry, onion man
 
Re: Which is the bigger conference title-RS or tournament?

HumRsky said:
Officially, the WCHA title is awarded to the regular season champion. That just is, its not an opinion. The Conference Tournament is like if the NHL, between the regular season and the playoffs, held a mini set of playoffs within the divisions that gave the Islanders another chance, even though their terrible once again, and which the Rangers won because Lundqvist got hot. Whoop-de-doo.
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Exactly. I do enjoy linking this debate to professional sports because professional sports leagues don't even bother with a "Conference Tournament" like the NCAA has. They have the Regular Season and then go straight to the Elimination games/series.

To crown a conference champion based on a handful of games doesn't make a whole lot of sense, at least IMO.
 
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