allnightwong
Quinnipiac '09 Grad School '11
I went with whatever USCHO had listed as their hometown. Itd be near impossible to look into each and every player on the off chance that the state, province, etc. is wrong.
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Where do you hail from? Player's home states, provinces and countries.
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allnightwong
Quinnipiac '09 Grad School '11
Re: Where do you hail from? Player's home states, provinces and countries.
In the coming days I will be posting something similar on junior teams, prep schools, etc.
In the coming days I will be posting something similar on junior teams, prep schools, etc.
Re: Where do you hail from? Player's home states, provinces and countries.
I believe the Netherlands and Holland are the same country.
Good work, though. This is very interesting.
World
Netherlands- 2
Austria- 1
Belarus- 1
Croatia- 1
Czech Republic- 1
Denmark- 1
France- 1
Holland- 1
Italy- 1
Norway- 1
I believe the Netherlands and Holland are the same country.
Good work, though. This is very interesting.
allnightwong
Quinnipiac '09 Grad School '11
Re: Where do you hail from? Player's home states, provinces and countries.
Yeah I thought so too...the one listed from Holland is actually on my Bobcats. I'm not a geography buff though so I just went with what they had.
I believe the Netherlands and Holland are the same country.
Good work, though. This is very interesting.
Yeah I thought so too...the one listed from Holland is actually on my Bobcats. I'm not a geography buff though so I just went with what they had.
AFHockeyFan
Registered User
Re: Where do you hail from? Player's home states, provinces and countries.
Nice work. For me, it's interesting to see which states lead in production after the "Big Four" (MA, NY, MI, MN) each of which has an entire conference based largely on that state (HE, EZAC, CCHA, WCHA).
The biggest surprises are California and Missouri, neither of which has a D-1 team in the state. For Cali, this is a testament to the popularity of roller hockey in that state. Since Air Force always has a "national" roster (appointments school-wide are distributed across the country based on population) it has to mine non-traditional areas (otherwise no non-hockey player from Minnesota would ever be admitted!). California has been a consistent producer, and we've had players from other areas (Nevada, Virginia) in the past.
One last note. Although you can have hockey in warm weather locales, I'd be interested to see a correlation between socio-economics and college hockey. Most of the states without representation (Utah and West Virginia are the exceptions in weather and minority population, though not in poverty) tend to be both warm AND have large minority/African-American populations. Despite significant but still-inadequate efforts to the contrary, hockey remains largely a rich, white kids' sport. (Kind of a prep-school version of NASCAR.)
Nice work. For me, it's interesting to see which states lead in production after the "Big Four" (MA, NY, MI, MN) each of which has an entire conference based largely on that state (HE, EZAC, CCHA, WCHA).
The biggest surprises are California and Missouri, neither of which has a D-1 team in the state. For Cali, this is a testament to the popularity of roller hockey in that state. Since Air Force always has a "national" roster (appointments school-wide are distributed across the country based on population) it has to mine non-traditional areas (otherwise no non-hockey player from Minnesota would ever be admitted!). California has been a consistent producer, and we've had players from other areas (Nevada, Virginia) in the past.
One last note. Although you can have hockey in warm weather locales, I'd be interested to see a correlation between socio-economics and college hockey. Most of the states without representation (Utah and West Virginia are the exceptions in weather and minority population, though not in poverty) tend to be both warm AND have large minority/African-American populations. Despite significant but still-inadequate efforts to the contrary, hockey remains largely a rich, white kids' sport. (Kind of a prep-school version of NASCAR.)
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sweatpants
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Re: Where do you hail from? Player's home states, provinces and countries.
It was later than that. I would say around 97'-02' when about a dozen or so Milwaukee area high schools started new programs(Arrowhead, Homestead, Cedarburg, Germantown, Kenosha, Wauwatosa, Kettle Morraine, Greendale, Whitefish Bay, etc). I think in another five years Wisconsin will pass Illinois and Pennsylvania.
I remember compiling a similar list to this in the early 90's on a prodigy college message board when I was in high school. Minnesota and Mass. had nearly identical numbers as the top two followed by Michigan and New York and then a huge dropoff. I do remember Conneticut's and Alaska's numbers being higher while Wisconsin, Missouri, Pennsylvania had signficantly lower numbers back then. Illinois numbers look about the same. I do remember an article in Hockey News? a few years back that said Massachusetts hockey youth participation was rapidly declining as kids were going for more popular sports like football and basketball and USA hockey was starting some sort of grassroots campaign there to get the numbers back up. I wonder if that program is working.
These numbers are pretty astounding.
#3 - Wisconsin is vastly underproducing relative to population. I know that high-school hockey didn't start in earnest in southeastern wisconsin (population center) until about 1992-1994 but ****, .
It was later than that. I would say around 97'-02' when about a dozen or so Milwaukee area high schools started new programs(Arrowhead, Homestead, Cedarburg, Germantown, Kenosha, Wauwatosa, Kettle Morraine, Greendale, Whitefish Bay, etc). I think in another five years Wisconsin will pass Illinois and Pennsylvania.
I remember compiling a similar list to this in the early 90's on a prodigy college message board when I was in high school. Minnesota and Mass. had nearly identical numbers as the top two followed by Michigan and New York and then a huge dropoff. I do remember Conneticut's and Alaska's numbers being higher while Wisconsin, Missouri, Pennsylvania had signficantly lower numbers back then. Illinois numbers look about the same. I do remember an article in Hockey News? a few years back that said Massachusetts hockey youth participation was rapidly declining as kids were going for more popular sports like football and basketball and USA hockey was starting some sort of grassroots campaign there to get the numbers back up. I wonder if that program is working.
Re: Where do you hail from? Player's home states, provinces and countries.
North Dakota teams enrollment 9-12 unless noted 7-12 that play hockey.
Hazen-Buelah 257 + 216 = 473
Grand Forks Central 935
Grand Forks Red River 1125
Bismarck High/St Mary's 1400 + 327 = 1727
Bismarck Century 1160
Bottineau 224
Fargo Davies 1100
Fargo North 1006
Fargo South/Shanley/Oak Grove 2100 + 335 (7-12) + 195 (7-12) = 2630
West Fargo 1475
Devils Lake 572
Dickinson/Dickinson Trinity 801 + 160 (7-12) = 961
Grafton-Park River 265 + 131 = 396
Jamestown/Valley City 758 + 375 = 1133
Mandan 1020
Minot 1797
Wahpeton 395
Williston 812
Total 18941 Now if the ratio is 50/50 (boys/girls) the total is 9471. You are getting 9 out of that number. I think that's pretty good, but hockey is not played by lots of schools in ND. Of course there are midget teams that are nothing to the quality of the H.S. teams.
North Dakota teams enrollment 9-12 unless noted 7-12 that play hockey.
Hazen-Buelah 257 + 216 = 473
Grand Forks Central 935
Grand Forks Red River 1125
Bismarck High/St Mary's 1400 + 327 = 1727
Bismarck Century 1160
Bottineau 224
Fargo Davies 1100
Fargo North 1006
Fargo South/Shanley/Oak Grove 2100 + 335 (7-12) + 195 (7-12) = 2630
West Fargo 1475
Devils Lake 572
Dickinson/Dickinson Trinity 801 + 160 (7-12) = 961
Grafton-Park River 265 + 131 = 396
Jamestown/Valley City 758 + 375 = 1133
Mandan 1020
Minot 1797
Wahpeton 395
Williston 812
Total 18941 Now if the ratio is 50/50 (boys/girls) the total is 9471. You are getting 9 out of that number. I think that's pretty good, but hockey is not played by lots of schools in ND. Of course there are midget teams that are nothing to the quality of the H.S. teams.
solovsfett
Registered User
Re: Where do you hail from? Player's home states, provinces and countries.
thanks for the clarification on the start dates for those HS programs. My memory is fuzzy on those. IIRC Maco Balcovec was coaching homestead but he's probably gone by now?
as for MASS HS hockey, I just read where Tony Amonte and 2 other NHL'ers have begun coaching at the highschool level (IIRC) in an attempt to get things rolling again.
really, there's no reason for Massachusetts to be too far behind rodentsota. they've got the climate and the population for it
It was later than that. I would say around 97'-02' when about a dozen or so Milwaukee area high schools started new programs(Arrowhead, Homestead, Cedarburg, Germantown, Kenosha, Wauwatosa, Kettle Morraine, Greendale, Whitefish Bay, etc). I think in another five years Wisconsin will pass Illinois and Pennsylvania.
I remember compiling a similar list to this in the early 90's on a prodigy college message board when I was in high school. Minnesota and Mass. had nearly identical numbers as the top two followed by Michigan and New York and then a huge dropoff. I do remember Conneticut's and Alaska's numbers being higher while Wisconsin, Missouri, Pennsylvania had signficantly lower numbers back then. Illinois numbers look about the same. I do remember an article in Hockey News? a few years back that said Massachusetts hockey youth participation was rapidly declining as kids were going for more popular sports like football and basketball and USA hockey was starting some sort of grassroots campaign there to get the numbers back up. I wonder if that program is working.
thanks for the clarification on the start dates for those HS programs. My memory is fuzzy on those. IIRC Maco Balcovec was coaching homestead but he's probably gone by now?
as for MASS HS hockey, I just read where Tony Amonte and 2 other NHL'ers have begun coaching at the highschool level (IIRC) in an attempt to get things rolling again.
really, there's no reason for Massachusetts to be too far behind rodentsota. they've got the climate and the population for it
sweatpants
Registered User
Re: Where do you hail from? Player's home states, provinces and countries.
A quick search says Balcovec is now the head coach of Whitefish Bay. I believe that would be his 3rd head coaching job in the last 6 years. Got to wonder if the guy has some issues.
Talking to some Boston folks at the Frozen Four and their thoughts that the decline in numbers were directly linked to the decline of the Boston Bruins over the last 20 years. Now with the emergence of the Patriots and Red Sox, and the re-emergence of the Celtics and hockey isn't as popular there as it once was.
thanks for the clarification on the start dates for those HS programs. My memory is fuzzy on those. IIRC Maco Balcovec was coaching homestead but he's probably gone by now?
as for MASS HS hockey, I just read where Tony Amonte and 2 other NHL'ers have begun coaching at the highschool level (IIRC) in an attempt to get things rolling again.
really, there's no reason for Massachusetts to be too far behind rodentsota. they've got the climate and the population for it
A quick search says Balcovec is now the head coach of Whitefish Bay. I believe that would be his 3rd head coaching job in the last 6 years. Got to wonder if the guy has some issues.
Talking to some Boston folks at the Frozen Four and their thoughts that the decline in numbers were directly linked to the decline of the Boston Bruins over the last 20 years. Now with the emergence of the Patriots and Red Sox, and the re-emergence of the Celtics and hockey isn't as popular there as it once was.
Re: Where do you hail from? Player's home states, provinces and countries.
I still believe the constantly increasing cost of playing hockey has to tie it to the declining numbers in many areas.
Talking to some Boston folks at the Frozen Four and their thoughts that the decline in numbers were directly linked to the decline of the Boston Bruins over the last 20 years. Now with the emergence of the Patriots and Red Sox, and the re-emergence of the Celtics and hockey isn't as popular there as it once was.
I still believe the constantly increasing cost of playing hockey has to tie it to the declining numbers in many areas.