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What the Fark 4: It's not unusual to be strange anymore

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So one of the great things about Facebook is that it reminds you of posts from years past. In one of the posts I made these comments

“and before Marie Curie we used to eat Radium Cheerios for breakfast”
“Did you know that's where the term 'radio' came from? Radium fortified cheerios. Radi-Os.“
 
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joecct said:
@liamstack: • 31% of Americans, and 41 % of millennials, believe that two million or fewer Jews were killed in the Holocaust
• 41% of Americans, and 66 % of millennials, cannot say what Auschwitz was.
• 39% of Americans know that Hitler was democratically elected
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/12/us/holocaust-education.html
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What were these numbers in 1990? 1970? 1950?

I don't think we're getting more ignorant. I think we're measuring how ignorant we are more accurately.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
Why not both?
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How many Gen Xers could identify the number of Americans killed in WWI?

How many Boomers could state the number of Indians killed in the Trail of Tears?

In 50 years, my grandchildren's generation will care as much about 9/11 as we do Pearl Harbor. As in not much.

This is just another in a long line of old people complaining about the young. Twas ever thus.
 
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unofan said:
How many Gen Xers could identify the number of Americans killed in WWI?

How many Boomers could state the number of Indians killed in the Trail of Tears?

This is just another in a long line of old people complaining about the young. Twas ever thus.
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Fair enough. I think maybe the important question is whether they are holocaust deniers. That's where the malignant ignorance comes from. Rather than the benign ignorance you're describing.
 
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Kepler said:
What were these numbers in 1990? 1970? 1950?

I don't think we're getting more ignorant. I think we're measuring how ignorant we are more accurately.
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And how many know about the Armenian genocide during WWI, done by the Young Turks? They didn't teach it where I went to school.

They want people to forget so they can pull it off again.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
And how many know about the Armenian genocide during WWI, done by the Young Turks? They didn't teach it where I went to school.
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My 9th grade European History teacher was named "Ohanessian." You better believe we learned all about the Armenian genocide.
 
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Kepler said:
My 9th grade European History teacher was named "Ohanessian." You better believe we learned all about the Armenian genocide.
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FlagDUDETTE was in a similar situation during her schooling as you. Bet it's not in the Common Core, though.
 
dxmnkd316 said:
Fair enough. I think maybe the important question is whether they are holocaust deniers. That's where the malignant ignorance comes from. Rather than the benign ignorance you're describing.
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The same poll found 96% of Americans agree the Holocaust happened, and 93% thought it was important to teach in school.

Funny how Joe left those numbers out.
 
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unofan said:
The same poll found 96% of Americans agree the Holocaust happened, and 93% thought it was important to teach in school.

Funny how Joe left those numbers out.
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I'm a bit more worried about the respective 4 and 7. However, as time goes along, history does not get smaller. Yet, it's still a limited amount of time available to teach it.
 
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Most of my history teachers in HS were not that interested in teaching the numbers and dates. One in particular said that he wouldn't teach us that stuff, because he though it was more effective to teach experiences to help understand the history. His argument was, what makes you remember the holocaust more? Knowing the number of people killed? Or reading first hand accounts, and seeing pictures? He 100% taught the latter.
 
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bigblue_dl said:
Most of my history teachers in HS were not that interested in teaching the numbers and dates. One in particular said that he wouldn't teach us that stuff, because he though it was more effective to teach experiences to help understand the history. His argument was, what makes you remember the holocaust more? Knowing the number of people killed? Or reading first hand accounts, and seeing pictures? He 100% taught the latter.
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I would think it'd also be important to look at events that led to it. A candidate making promises to improve the lives of a depressed lower-class society, nationalizing education, seizing weapons from undesirables, taking control over media...
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
I would think it'd also be important to look at events that led to it. A candidate making promises to improve the lives of a depressed lower-class society, nationalizing education, seizing weapons from undesirables, taking control over media...
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I'd also say that as time goes on, there becomes SO much history to try and teach, that you have to...gloss over some things. I don't mean ignore them, or not teach the importance of them, but a teacher doesn't have the time to really delve into the stats and details of the situation. I didn't know of the Armenian thing until I was an adult. I wish I was aware of it at a younger age.

There's only so much one can teach in the time allotted.
 
Brenthoven said:
I'd also say that as time goes on, there becomes SO much history to try and teach, that you have to...gloss over some things. I don't mean ignore them, or not teach the importance of them, but a teacher doesn't have the time to really delve into the stats and details of the situation. I didn't know of the Armenian thing until I was an adult. I wish I was aware of it at a younger age.

There's only so much one can teach in the time allotted.
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And what the overlords on the school boards permit.
 
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joecct said:
And what the overlords on the school boards permit.
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I sadly agree with that. I can point out to one example: the Lincoln assassination. It was a paint by numbers lesson, and then I read "Manhunt" by James L Swanson for the full story. LOTS of stuff that was never taught. I'm not even talking minute details. Basic stuff that should have been known.
 
Brenthoven said:
I sadly agree with that. I can point out to one example: the Lincoln assassination. It was a paint by numbers lesson, and then I read "Manhunt" by James L Swanson for the full story. LOTS of stuff that was never taught. I'm not even talking minute details. Basic stuff that should have been known.
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Living for a while in Clinton, MD the trail of Booth went right down Rt 5. Surratt's house was a short drive down Old Branch Ave. and if you kept going down Rt. 5 towards Waldorf you can take a short detour to Dt. Mudd's house. Kinda spooky when you realize that MD stayed loyal to the Union at gunpoint and Southern MD was more attuned to Richmond than DC.

It's a part of history that is there if you look. I guess many towns have that, too.
 
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joecct said:
Living for a while in Clinton, MD the trail of Booth went right down Rt 5. Surratt's house was a short drive down Old Branch Ave. and if you kept going down Rt. 5 towards Waldorf you can take a short detour to Dt. Mudd's house. Kinda spooky when you realize that MD stayed loyal to the Union at gunpoint and Southern MD was more attuned to Richmond than DC.

It's a part of history that is there if you look. I guess many towns have that, too.
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Samuel Mudd's grandson lived in Saginaw when I was growing up. He made regular attempts to clear his name.
 
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