What is it going to take to see more new / different teams in the NCAA tournament?

[Leather helmet]

Re: What is it going to take to see more new / different teams in the NCAA tournament

Recall just a few years ago, the UND program was such a wreck that the Lam twins went to Minnesota. With the arrival of Idalski and the return of the twins (not unrelated events), the team formerly known as the Sioux made the leap to the top of the "Also in the WCHA" pile and they have maintained that position even after the end of the Lam era.

It's easy to say, but it's hard to do: to build a great program, you need to find a great coach. And not all great coaches were once legendary players at the program that hired them. What I like to see from a program is how players develop over time - look at how Kelly Terry or Mira Jalosuo developed from their freshman to their senior seasons - that is a hallmark of Frost teams, where players seem to always be getting better. As an easy contrast, it's hard to make the claim that the Gopher's men's team didn't regress this past year, both at the individual and the team level.

 

[pokechecker]

Re: What is it going to take to see more new / different teams in the NCAA tournament

Don't expect this to be permanent. The US dollar is temporarily the best looking horse in the glue factory because of it's reserve currency status, however so fragile, and the stupidity of many people. The reserve currency status is quickly eroding and is on its last legs. That freight train is coming down the track and the carnage will be far greater than most can even imagine. Actually, most are blissfully unaware.

I suggest you stick to hockey

 

[FiveHoleFrenzy]

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Speaking of crappy, although I know that this is not what you meant, I just watched bits of the Jets/Ducks final game. I've had virtually zero interest in the NHL for decades and don't see that changing. Got tired of watching fights waiting for hockey games to break out and grew tired of the things that you mentioned. Although there were no fights, at least that I saw, the Jets looked like a B2 team...absolutely horrible passing...into the skates, behind the recipient and often to open ice with no team mates around...over and over and over again. I don't recall ever seeing a D1 women's team look that bad. These are guys making seven figure salaries...it's embarrassing, to put it mildly.

Although I realize that that's a small sample, I think it's just like that friend of mine who runs the scrimmages has often said..."the women are more talented, their game is pure and there is no BS. The men are just faster and they are stronger...that's it."

The fans were the story of the night...the first playoff series in Wpg. in 19 years and they watched their team go down 4 straight. Even so, the broadcasters gave the fans the 3rd star of the night! Don't ever recall seeing that before.

The other plus was Cassie Campbell was there doing some commentating and player interviews.

But as for the hockey...there's reasons why I like women's hockey and what I saw tonight only reinforced them...not that they needed it.

So, the women are more talented except for that whole speed and strength deal, eh?

http://giphy.com/gifs/laughing-mad-men-iKkUkjlcxCizu

 

[Blackbeard]

Re: What is it going to take to see more new / different teams in the NCAA tournament

I suggest you stick to hockey

I guess you missed my point.

It's going to affect hockey...(and pretty much everything else).

 

[pokechecker]

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OK, so now I get it, since the monetary system is going to fall out from under us, the top schools won't be able to give athletic or academic scholarships so Harvard & MN will fall while schools like St Cloud, Bemidji, and Mankato with their lower tuition will rise.

so when does this happen?

I hope this is a better prediction than back in '09 when you Cannucks starting thinking China was going to overtake the US and hitched your wagon to them.
FYI, S&P 500 is 3x now what it was then

 

[ne7minder]

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Speaking of crappy, although I know that this is not what you meant,

But as for the hockey...there's reasons why I like women's hockey and what I saw tonight only reinforced them...not that they needed it.

No, no,that is EXACTLY what I meant. The NHL has the fastest players in the world and really the best talent & then they never allow them to actually play because that would be unfair to the mediocre teams. The addition of international players has helped deepen the talent pool but the mens side still focuses on prevent the best players having success.

 

[Blackbeard]

Re: What is it going to take to see more new / different teams in the NCAA tournament

OK, so now I get it, since the monetary system is going to fall out from under us, the top schools won't be able to give athletic or academic scholarships so Harvard & MN will fall while schools like St Cloud, Bemidji, and Mankato with their lower tuition will rise.

so when does this happen?

Don't know about your assumption but as for the exact timing, it is unknowable. But it is important to understand that it is a process and it has been underway for some time and has been picking up serious speed in the last 6-8months. That being said, there are any number of black swan events that could occur individually or in conjuction with others that could quickly result in a/the tipping point being reached making it seem to the unaware that it was caused by a single event or a couple events in close conjunction to one another. So, while it is a process that process can culminate very quickly.

It's not going to be pleasant for any country but US citizens will suffer the largest decrease in their standard of living due to the artificially induced benefits that they have enjoyed for decades which others have not...those benefits having been created by virtue of having the world's reserve currency. Attempting to maintain that status is one of the major motivators behind all the crimes that Washington continually commits around the planet in its citizens' names. It's very serious stuff.

I hope this is a better prediction than back in '09 when you Cannucks starting thinking China was going to overtake the US and hitched your wagon to them.

It's not a prediction, it's occurring as we speak. As for the rest of the above quote, I have no idea what this means...news to me, whatever you meant by it.

FYI, S&P 500 is 3x now what it was then

Yeah, it's a super bubble in search of a pin. Stock buybacks is the latest shell game adding fuel to this stuff. It all lasts and fools most people until it no longer does because gravity takes over as it must at some point.

 

[ARM]

Re: What is it going to take to see more new / different teams in the NCAA tournament

Blackbeard, Why don't you start a dedicated thread where you can pontificate on foreign policy, the global economy, and all other subjects that have nothing to do with women's hockey but you believe for some reason belong on this board? That way, those who care to know what you think won't miss a word.

Thank you.

 

[Blackbeard]

Re: What is it going to take to see more new / different teams in the NCAA tournament

Blackbeard, Why don't you start a dedicated thread where you can pontificate on foreign policy, the global economy, and all other subjects that have nothing to do with women's hockey but you believe for some reason belong on this board? That way, those who care to know what you think won't miss a word.

Thank you.

I was paying Pokechecker the courtesy of responding honestly to his questions, not pontificating. His questions were prompted by my response to OnMAA who had made a comment with respect to women's hockey as it pertains to currency exchange rates and how players and programs might be affected. It's all connected.

No need to get upset.

 

[brookyone]

Re: What is it going to take to see more new / different teams in the NCAA tournament

Blackbeard, Why don't you start a dedicated thread where you can pontificate on foreign policy, the global economy, and all other subjects that have nothing to do with women's hockey but you believe for some reason belong on this board? That way, those who care to know what you think won't miss a word.

Thank you.

Thank you!

 

[OnMAA]

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I hope this is a better prediction than back in '09 when you Cannucks starting thinking China was going to overtake the US and hitched your wagon to them.
FYI, S&P 500 is 3x now what it was then

Don't smear everyone with the same brush. I'm A canuck, but sure don't subscribe to Blackbeard's theory. Not sure what makes him an authority on the subject, but he took a comment I made about the exchange rate being relevant to Hockey players staying north of the border into some sort of an economical or perhaps political statement. Agree with ARM, BB's comments are A pure conjecture and B not relevant.

 

[pokechecker]

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Not only that. If the number of schollies is reduced, along with the recent decline of the canuck dollar and the increase in funding by schools in the CIS, would lead to more Canuck top talent staying in Canada.

so back to topic ...

The whole reason hockey exists is to boost the number of female athletes, so I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting for a reduction in scholarships. I have heard a number of Canadians say they wanted to go to school in the US, and given the head start US college hockey has over Canadian schools, I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting for Canadians to stay home in what most would say is an inferior league.

And knowing Canada, no US kid will be getting money from a Canadian school to attend.

your comment about going away from home, it seems to me almost all Canadian women end up going back home (Canada, not necessarily their home town) while a fair number of the men remain in the US. Maybe this last comment belongs in another thread.

 

[OnMAA]

Re: What is it going to take to see more new / different teams in the NCAA tournament

so back to topic ...

The whole reason hockey exists is to boost the number of female athletes, so I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting for a reduction in scholarships. I have heard a number of Canadians say they wanted to go to school in the US, and given the head start US college hockey has over Canadian schools, I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting for Canadians to stay home in what most would say is an inferior league.

And knowing Canada, no US kid will be getting money from a Canadian school to attend.

your comment about going away from home, it seems to me almost all Canadian women end up going back home (Canada, not necessarily their home town) while a fair number of the men remain in the US. Maybe this last comment belongs in another thread.

My comment about going away from home was meant to be distance, not necessarily to cross the border. Our daughters all went far away, but only one went to the US. The one that went to the US is still in the US. (She graduated last year).

I would think that for the second tier recruits that do not get full schollie offers, the CIS is more attractive now than it was even five years ago. The weaker canuck dollar and better CIS athletic funding are factors in that equation. When our D went to the US, the dollar was at Par, now you pay a 20 to 25% premium. That can add up to significant coin as measured in Canuck dollars. You are right that most Top Tier talent, those offered full rides, will for the most part continue to flock south.

 

[ne7minder]

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You are right that most Top Tier talent, those offered full rides, will for the most part continue to flock south.

Now, my experience is a decade or more old but It's my understanding that college athletics in Canada does not rise to the levels of insanity that it does in the US. The couple of games I have seen against Canadian college women's teams did not impress me with the talent. That leaves me thinking that the top players come to the US to elevate their game while also getting an education. If they only wanted an education they would to to school there, if they only wanted to elevate their game they would play at an elite program there. The scholarship makes the education affordable.

 

[Rightnut]

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I have a thought, but not sure it's right. It's based on FiveHoleFrenzy's post.

-An example of a high desirability score: Boston College - great facilities, excellent academics, great and beautiful location, and proven coaching.
-An example of a mid-level desirability score: St Lawrence - it's all good, but their campus/location rank (location, size of school) probably adds a level of difficulty.
-Examples of lower-level scores: I think of Colgate, for example - what a great school academically and a beautiful place, but it seems that two or more other factors drag them down. I don't mean that Colgate isn't going to have an upward trajectory over the next few years, but that's the perception now, which affects recruiting (but I'd send my kid there in a minute).

Colgate is building a new arena - I assume the women's side of the facility will be comparable or equivalent to the men's? That should make it more attractive for recruits. Question - does Colgate offer the full 18 scholarships? That would seem to be a huge factor. If so, with great academics and a new facility it would seem likely to rise quickly.

 

[RStarr]

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bulls that wear black sequence jackets.

 

[Eeyore]

Re: What is it going to take to see more new / different teams in the NCAA tournament

bulls that wear black sequence jackets.

I'm just going to assume that autocorrect wrote this post.