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West Regional: North Dakota, Michigan Tech, St. Cloud State, Quinnipiac

Re: West Regional: North Dakota, Michigan Tech, St. Cloud State, Quinnipiac

I have been to da UP many times. Pasties, deer camps and a whole lot of Finlanders. And Hurley is right across the border. So its not a bad place to be.
 
Re: West Regional: North Dakota, Michigan Tech, St. Cloud State, Quinnipiac

This MTU/SCSU conversation is getting boring. Who cares who is trolling who!?

Yay! Quinnipiac does not care! Or they just gave up on the season. Preferably the latter.

So...how does the UND/whichever Huskies match up sound?
 
Re: West Regional: North Dakota, Michigan Tech, St. Cloud State, Quinnipiac

He's saying that current players have missed out on the NCAAs a max of 3 years, so the other 30 plus years in the gap don't matter. Basically, none of the players have played in the NCAA tournament, but they come in with as much experience as Harvard which hasn't been in the tournament since 2006. Of note, Mel has been on the bench for many NCAA games so thankfully the coaching staff isn't lacking in that department.

I get what you are saying on the 30 plus years, I agree that really doesn't have much relevance. My point was they have no NCAA Tourney experience. They aren't playing Harvard, they are playing SCSU. This is the third NCAA appearance for more than half the team. That is very relevant.

I agree it is good to have a coaching staff with tournament experience, I don't believe that matters as much as the experience on the ice.

You're looking at a SCSU team that has been essentially playing playoff hockey since they lost the opening game of the early March series against Denver. They couldn't afford another loss (until Saturday night) and they didn't lose. Got that second game needed against a very good Denver team. Swept a good UNO team on the road and then beat the (then) #1 team in the country in UND. No margin for error. This happened in a big part due to the upperclassmen leadership with solid tourney experience.

I expect that to show up on Friday. I'll say it again, I'm expecting a great game and wouldn't be surprised if Tech wins. I'll be disappointed but not surprised.
 
Re: West Regional: North Dakota, Michigan Tech, St. Cloud State, Quinnipiac

It's interesting. I do prefer being the underdog going in, but didn't expect St, Clooud to be so heavily favored when Tech has the advantage in the polls, PWR, KRACH, W/L record, goals for, goals against, goaltending, defense, coaching, and good looks. I wonder what it's based on? The fake huskies being "battle tested", perhaps?

It's awesome not being able to sleep. Here's the last post. For a bit.

Want to know why SCSU is favored? Well, they aren't if you look at the betting lines but yes, seems like the college hockey writers are thinking so. Battle tested is exactly it. Already called out the majority of the team has two trips to the NCAAs in their resume. Frozen Four trip and a loss in a regional final to the eventual National Runner-up. And back-to-back regular season conference championships before clearly falling short this year. Experience does matter.

They had quite a few wins on Friday nights followed by not getting the job done on Saturday far too many times. Second toughest strength of schedule in the country. Yes, that gets driven a bit by the success of the conference they are in but there were definitely quality opponents outside of conference as well in Colgate, Union, Quinnipiac and Minnesota. Split with all four of them. Two of those ended up being conference champions. Against their own conference champions, SCSU beat UND twice and Miami twice. Not forgetting about losses to them as well, but they did have wins against them too. Tech? No wins against any conference champions (caveat, you can only play the teams on your schedule and outside of Mankato, nobody you played really was in position to win one except possibly Michigan). Will definitely give you credit for beating a good UMD team and Michigan as well.

Tougher conference when comparing the entire conference. I'll preface this by calling out the OOC records. NCHC at 53-25-4 vs. WCHA at 30-29-9, including a 14-8-1 record in direct competition. Forget the top teams for a moment. Look at the bottom teams. NCHC has Western Michigan and Colorado College. Consider those easy wins. SCSU went 4-1-1 against them with only two games against CC with both being blowouts. WCHA has Northern Michigan, UAH, UAA and LSSU that fall into that band. Tech went 14-1-1 against those schools. Good news, you beat teams you should but I think you can make an easy argument SCSU would have had a similar record against those same teams.

You can argue the top four teams in each conference are equal, I wouldn't agree, but let's go ahead with that argument. Even if you do, no logical argument can be made that would offset the volume of poor teams at the bottom of the WCHA. Essentially there is no where to hide in the NCHC amongst the top 6 teams and with those teams 18 of their 24 conference games were against each other. Definitely different level of competition over the majority of the conference season vs. the WCHA.

Will any of this matter? I think it will. We'll see on Friday. I'll say it once again, wouldn't be surprised to see Tech win but don't overlook or underestimate SCSU because of their W-L record.
 
Re: West Regional: North Dakota, Michigan Tech, St. Cloud State, Quinnipiac

What time are all the practices and press conferences in Fargo today?
 
Re: West Regional: North Dakota, Michigan Tech, St. Cloud State, Quinnipiac

It's awesome not being able to sleep...

No argument from me on this, I think you're right. In fact the Tech skaters did seem to slump after a couple of their lopsided wins when they had to re-calibrate to Mankato's speed (and almost lost to Bemidji after that 10-goal win over UAH). And they have not shown they can win a really big game yet, while St. Cloud has far more 3rd and 4th year players, with far more big games on their resumes.
 
Re: West Regional: North Dakota, Michigan Tech, St. Cloud State, Quinnipiac

No argument from me on this, I think you're right. In fact the Tech skaters did seem to slump after a couple of their lopsided wins when they had to re-calibrate to Mankato's speed (and almost lost to Bemidji after that 10-goal win over UAH). And they have not shown they can win a really big game yet, while St. Cloud has far more 3rd and 4th year players, with far more big games on their resumes.

why is everyone disregarding the win over BGSU at the Final Five? I think that was a pretty big game...
 
Re: West Regional: North Dakota, Michigan Tech, St. Cloud State, Quinnipiac

why is everyone disregarding the win over BGSU at the Final Five? I think that was a pretty big game...

You're right, that's why I changed "big" to "really big." :p
I hope Tech wins twice this weekend, but based on past experience in GLI and Broadmoor, they haven't yet gotten over the top.
 
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