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West Regional: North Dakota, Michigan Tech, St. Cloud State, Quinnipiac

Re: West Regional: North Dakota, Michigan Tech, St. Cloud State, Quinnipiac

SCSU Euro said:
Being a win away from making the tournament doesn't make you a good team. It means you had a good run (often in a bad conference tourney). AHA teams can easily be one win away from getting in and still be hot garbage.

Michigan was at the 66th percentile of college hockey... but where would they have finished in the NCHC? If this were the basketball tourney selection process we'd be talking about resumes. What's their resume? The highlights are winning the GLI in a down year, going 1-2 vs. Tech (and an overall -6 in those games), going 2-3 vs. Minnesota, going 4-2 vs. a Michigan State squad that came nowhere close to making the dance, and beating Lowell on the road in their one game. For God's sakes, they went 1-3 against Penn State.
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I stand corrected on Michigan...giving them an individual win at some point in the season was not enough to get them in the top 15.
 
Re: West Regional: North Dakota, Michigan Tech, St. Cloud State, Quinnipiac

Shirtless Guy said:
not to mention BGSU and Michigan which were both 1 win at some point of the season away from making the tournament. Again, others can call Michigan crap all they want but the fact is if they win one more game (and not just the championship game against Minnesota) they're in this tournament.
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Michigan isn't close enough to switch one game from a loss to a win to get them in. I switched their game against Boston (the best team they played) from a loss to a win and it still only got them to 17th.
http://www.collegehockeynews.com/ratings/ncaapwcr.php#
So, no the fact isn't that if they win one more game they are in the tournament. Michigan is an average team. They were 1-6 in road games against teams in the top half of RPI. 5-10 on the road overall.

MTU can only play the games on their schedule, and same is true with Michigan. Tech actually won the games they were supposed to win. If Michigan would have they would be in the tournament, but they didn't.
 
Re: West Regional: North Dakota, Michigan Tech, St. Cloud State, Quinnipiac

Tipsy McStagger said:
Michigan isn't close enough to switch one game from a loss to a win to get them in. I switched their game against Boston (the best team they played) from a loss to a win and it still only got them to 17th.
http://www.collegehockeynews.com/ratings/ncaapwcr.php#
So, no the fact isn't that if they win one more game they are in the tournament. Michigan is an average team. They were 1-6 in road games against teams in the top half of RPI. 5-10 on the road overall.

MTU can only play the games on their schedule, and same is true with Michigan. Tech actually won the games they were supposed to win. If Michigan would have they would be in the tournament, but they didn't.
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you missed where I retracted the Michigan statement...I was wrong on that one, I did the same as you and realized they were not as close as I thought.
 
Re: West Regional: North Dakota, Michigan Tech, St. Cloud State, Quinnipiac

scsutommyboy said:
SCSU played 26 out of their 38 games this year against teams that made the NCAA tourney.... Obviously SCSU and UND are battle tested.
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True. Also true - you lost 14 of those games against tourney teams and also racked up another nice pile of losses to teams that missed the tourney (Colgate, Union, Western Michigan, Bemidji, etc...) Ok so SCSU is "battle tested"... well so was General Custer. UND was also less than impressive in their two tune-up games this past weekend. There isn't a team in that bracket MTU isn't capable of beating.
Ryan J
 
Re: West Regional: North Dakota, Michigan Tech, St. Cloud State, Quinnipiac

I posted something about quinnipiac on a different thread, but they are a classic lay in the weeds and intercept your outlet pass team. They sit in the neutral zone, clog it up, and try to get you to do something stupid to get an odd man against you. Cross ice passes are especially looked for. They are kings of the clutch and grab, they are good actors, (a lot like mankato is.) The forwards are skilled, and Anas and Peca are very good with the puck. They have good skaters, but not of the level of st cloud.

I would say the goalie is a bit above average. Obviously they are real good if they get the lead. The key to beating them is to not fall behind. Even if you are behind after 1, they can totally close you out of any chances... and it get's to be a real boring game where suddenly you end up losing 4-1 because you are trying to find a way into the zone and get caught again. Also I dislike the coach intensely. I dislike St cloud too, but at least the coach is nice.

they generally only forecheck one guy. It's not a miami type lock, but it is something that is not up and down either. More like Ferris st.
It appears to me that St Cloud thrives on the big ice surfaces and they don't do quite as well on NHL ice. Maybe I'm wrong on that.

Tech's players have been sick to various degrees. We'll see if it affects them, but it very well might in a wide open game like we are probably going to see. I think St Cloud is a lot better than their record and can really score goals. Early in the year they had problems, losing to Colgate, (who is a good team too, btw, even though they are not in the tournament.)

I am really sick of the guys on TV who are really just slappies for the NCHC.It's disgusting to have to listen to and they ought to be ashamed of themselves. The NCHC gets a lot of pub, but in my mind, though they are good hockey teams, they shouldn't be pounding their chest like they are.It's unseemly.

I think this will be one of the best games of the whole tournament, as, if I'm UND i'd be real concerned about how they are playing right now.So I look at St cloud as the class of the league, what with Miami having injury issues.
 
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Re: West Regional: North Dakota, Michigan Tech, St. Cloud State, Quinnipiac

We are happy where we are at. Committed to the league. Never lea... What's that? Notre Dame said no and there's room for one more?

We are in the best league ever. Look at our strength of schedule. WCHA teams don't play anyone and just get by on a weak schedule.
 
Re: West Regional: North Dakota, Michigan Tech, St. Cloud State, Quinnipiac

Riz said:
Who would you have put in over St Cloud State? Just curious.
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So I finally got my analysis done and it looks like my math says Colgate and Bowling Green should be in instead of Providence and St. Cloud State.

This is based on creating 4 criteria categories for comparison instead of the current 3 (which basically goes back to the previous way but replaces the old record vs TUC with QWB Adjusted RPI.

RPI (ignoring negative impact games)
QWB Adjusted RPI
Head to Head
Record vs Common Opponents

where RPI is given the tiebreaker.
 
Re: West Regional: North Dakota, Michigan Tech, St. Cloud State, Quinnipiac

JohnsonsJerseys said:
True. Also true - you lost 14 of those games against tourney teams and also racked up another nice pile of losses to teams that missed the tourney (Colgate, Union, Western Michigan, Bemidji, etc...) Ok so SCSU is "battle tested"... well so was General Custer. UND was also less than impressive in their two tune-up games this past weekend. There isn't a team in that bracket MTU isn't capable of beating.
Ryan J
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Also true, there isn't a team that we played this year that we haven't beaten. For the 15th time, no one in this thread has said MTU can't come out of this region.
*checks Tech's record vs. tournament teams, sees 1-4*

MTU can't come out of this region. St, Clooud rolls 5-1.
 
Re: West Regional: North Dakota, Michigan Tech, St. Cloud State, Quinnipiac

Tipsy McStagger said:
Also true, there isn't a team that we played this year that we haven't beaten. For the 15th time, no one in this thread has said MTU can't come out of this region.
*checks Tech's record vs. tournament teams, sees 1-4*

MTU can't come out of this region. St, Clooud rolls 5-1.
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you guys are really good at math... the record is 1-5-1 but 0-4-1 of that is against Mankato...which is the #1 overall team.
 
Re: West Regional: North Dakota, Michigan Tech, St. Cloud State, Quinnipiac

Shirtless Guy said:
you guys are really good at math... the record is 1-5-1 but 0-4-1 of that is against Mankato...which is the #1 overall team.
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Sorry, missed your second series against Mankato. I was busy inventing my own criteria to get the teams that I want in the tournament and was distracted.

I stand corrected. Tech is even worse than I thought. St, Clooud wins 6-1.
 
Re: West Regional: North Dakota, Michigan Tech, St. Cloud State, Quinnipiac

Tipsy McStagger said:
I stand corrected. Tech is even worse than I thought. St, Clooud wins 6-1.
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That's a bold statement from a team that isn't even the best within 200 miles of their own campus, to say nothing of the national picture.
Ryan J
 
Re: West Regional: North Dakota, Michigan Tech, St. Cloud State, Quinnipiac

Sure didn't take long for you guys whip them out and start throwing DNA around here.
 
Re: West Regional: North Dakota, Michigan Tech, St. Cloud State, Quinnipiac

bigblue_dl said:
Sure didn't take long for you guys whip them out and start throwing DNA around here.
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Maybe you'll have to use the sandbags and sump pumps you were planning on bringing to Fargo for this thread.
 
Re: West Regional: North Dakota, Michigan Tech, St. Cloud State, Quinnipiac

All through this thread, people have been touting the NCHC. While good, some are over rated. Tipsy is convinced St. Cloud will beat Michigan Tech. They might. But, comparing conferences is a fool's gambit. NCHC teams are rated high in the pairwise because they feed off each other's high rating. Why I don't know. That is to say, why they are so highly thought of, I don't understand. Some are very good, to be sure. I just think it is inappropriate to trash another team, or conference for that matter. You can make the numbers say whatever you want. Check out the polls, and tell me how much better St. Cloud is. Friday will tell the tale. Any of the teams can win the regional. I personally think it is Tech, but then I am a Tech fan. Not running down any other team. Just believe my team will win.
 
Re: West Regional: North Dakota, Michigan Tech, St. Cloud State, Quinnipiac

Tipsy McStagger said:
Sorry, missed your second series against Mankato. I was busy inventing my own criteria to get the teams that I want in the tournament and was distracted.

I stand corrected. Tech is even worse than I thought. St, Clooud wins 6-1.
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Unlike your signature you are delusional.
 
Re: West Regional: North Dakota, Michigan Tech, St. Cloud State, Quinnipiac

SCSU Euro said:
Being a win away from making the tournament doesn't make you a good team. It means you had a good run (often in a bad conference tourney). AHA teams can easily be one win away from getting in and still be hot garbage.

Michigan was at the 66th percentile of college hockey... but where would they have finished in the NCHC? If this were the basketball tourney selection process we'd be talking about resumes. What's their resume? The highlights are winning the GLI in a down year, going 1-2 vs. Tech (and an overall -6 in those games), going 2-3 vs. Minnesota, going 4-2 vs. a Michigan State squad that came nowhere close to making the dance, and beating Lowell on the road in their one game. For God's sakes, they went 1-3 against Penn State.
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Michigan seems to be having troubles with Penn State.
 
Re: West Regional: North Dakota, Michigan Tech, St. Cloud State, Quinnipiac

Lostdutchman said:
All through this thread, people have been touting the NCHC. While good, some are over rated. Tipsy is convinced St. Cloud will beat Michigan Tech. They might. But, comparing conferences is a fool's gambit. NCHC teams are rated high in the pairwise because they feed off each other's high rating. Why I don't know. That is to say, why they are so highly thought of, I don't understand. Some are very good, to be sure. I just think it is inappropriate to trash another team, or conference for that matter. You can make the numbers say whatever you want. Check out the polls, and tell me how much better St. Cloud is. Friday will tell the tale. Any of the teams can win the regional. I personally think it is Tech, but then I am a Tech fan. Not running down any other team. Just believe my team will win.
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Might have something to do with how the NCHC did against non-conference opponents... just a guess.
 
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