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Weaving the Strands: Business, Economics, and Tax Policy 2.0

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Rover said:
I noticed you didn't answer the question, so lets try again! If conservative polices work so well, why are the conservative states of Mississippi, Alabama, South Carolina, Kansas, etc the poorest in the nation? Its a pretty simple question, and you're a pretty simple guy, so lets hear it. :D
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Not saying I disagree but it sounds like you two disagree on the definitions of poor/rich in terms of state economies (hence why he brought up public sector debt). It'd be also helpful if you guys cited some numbers or something that illustrate your point.
 
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trixR4kids said:
Not saying I disagree but it sounds like you two disagree on the definitions of poor/rich in terms of state economies (hence why he brought up public sector debt). It'd be also helpful if you guys cited some numbers or something that illustrate your point.
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Poverty rates. Check this out from CNBC, which is practically a paid agent of right wing economic theory:

http://www.cnbc.com/id/101068491/page/11

Poorest states: MS, AK, WVA, AL, KY, NM, TN, LA, SC, OK. With one exception (New Mexico) all solidly conservative Republican states.

9 out of 10. What gives, righties?
 
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I too would argue that income disparity is a huge thing to consider when comparing economies.
 
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trixR4kids said:
I too would argue that income disparity is a huge thing to consider when comparing economies.
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Poverty rates cut to the quick though. Either a significant portion of your state is poor or it isn't. The states with the highest rates are 90% conservative Republican. That's a d@mning statistic by any measure.
 
Rover said:
Poverty rates cut to the quick though. Either a significant portion of your state is poor or it isn't. The states with the highest rates are 90% conservative Republican. That's a d@mning statistic by any measure.
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West Virginia is tired to coal.
Can we blame Reconstruction?
 
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Could just be that conservative policies have no practical application in the real world, which has been proven time and time again! (see: Bush, George W) ;)
 
Rover said:
Could just be that conservative policies have no practical application in the real world, which has been proven time and time again! (see: Bush, George W) ;)
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I wouldn't call Bush 43 a conservative. Calvin Coolidge - probably.
 
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joecct said:
I wouldn't call Bush 43 a conservative. Calvin Coolidge - probably.
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I suppose supply side economics is the opposite of "conservative" but it's the current MO of the GOP and has been for a while.
 
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joecct said:
I wouldn't call Bush 43 a conservative. Calvin Coolidge - probably.
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For the record you wouldn't be one of those righties who worshiped the guy right up until election night in 2006 would you?
 
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Appears after last nights House vote we decided to insure the Too Big To Fail banks with taxpayer money again. Obama was 100% behind this. Apparently only Warren and Pelosi were against from the Dem leadership.

Good job, Dems. Gutless as usual. The other side never has to compromise but you sure do.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Appears after last nights House vote we decided to insure the Too Big To Fail banks with taxpayer money again. Obama was 100% behind this. Apparently only Warren and Pelosi were against from the Dem leadership.

Good job, Dems. Gutless as usual. The other side never has to compromise but you sure do.
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I'm not happy either, but it's an inherently asymmetrical fight. The GOP is the equivalent of a white supremacist holding a black child as a hostage. They could not care less if they have to kill; in fact a fifth of their caucus is screaming "shoot, shoot."

The Dems ought learn to attach all their stuff to, say, an extension on oil companies' subsidies. Let the GOPers go back to their paymasters and explain how Exxon won't be getting its candy because child care conflicts with their "principles." :rolleyes: :)
 
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Kepler said:
I'm not happy either, but it's an inherently asymmetrical fight. The GOP is the equivalent of a white supremacist holding a black child as a hostage. They could not care less if they have to kill; in fact a fifth of their caucus is screaming "shoot, shoot."

The Dems ought learn to attach all their stuff to, say, an extension on oil companies' subsidies. Let the GOPers go back to their paymasters and explain how Exxon won't be getting its candy because child care conflicts with their "principles." :rolleyes: :)
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Bill Clinton never had a problem dealing with them, and its as you say, add your own goodies in there and negotiate over that. Obama's problem has been continually to meet the GOP Congress half way with his initial offer, then be flabbergasted when they try to drag him to the right.

Having said that, this deal is like a 3 on the annoying meter. Some small crap about people being able to donate more money for the national conventions or some nonsense like that to keep McConnell's campaign contributors happy, and the Swap legislation is something the Dems need to run against in 2016. I'm a bit interested in why The Boner and crew agreed to a 1 year extension in funding. Come late 2015 and moving into the 2016 election season when this deal expires isn't going to be the time to threaten a govt shutdown (can you see the GOP Primary debates? Try outdoing Ted Cruz while sharing a stage with him when the question of "do you support the shutdown" comes up)/.
 
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Rover said:
Come late 2015 and moving into the 2016 election season when this deal expires isn't going to be the time to threaten a govt shutdown (can you see the GOP Primary debates? Try outdoing Ted Cruz while sharing a stage with him when the question of "do you support the shutdown" comes up).
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The right fringe likes shut down talk, and if you're going full derp in the primaries you want an excuse to demagogue this. Jeb and the Fat Man don't want to have that fight but the other 5 dwarves will all lap up the applause lines at the primary debates. And as you have pointed out, it's not as if it hurt them in the midterm. I think they have calculated that threatening or even causing a shutdown is a win. By the following Fall it will be completely forgotten -- do you know how many STARTLING REVELATIONS!!!!111!!! and TROUBLING STORIES!!111!!!11 are going to get ginned up by the Echo Chamber between 9/15 and 9/16? Swift Boating is going to look like high tea.
 
ScoobyDoo said:
Appears after last nights House vote we decided to insure the Too Big To Fail banks with taxpayer money again. Obama was 100% behind this. Apparently only Warren and Pelosi were against from the Dem leadership.

Good job, Dems. Gutless as usual. The other side never has to compromise but you sure do.
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Nancy was for it before she was against it. Liz has been consistent. If she gums up the Senate, will she be labeled as "obstructionist"?
 
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Kepler said:
The right fringe likes shut down talk, and if you're going full derp in the primaries you want an excuse to demagogue this. Jeb and the Fat Man don't want to have that fight but the other 5 dwarves will all lap up the applause lines at the primary debates. And as you have pointed out, it's not as if it hurt them in the midterm. I think they have calculated that threatening or even causing a shutdown is a win. By the following Fall it will be completely forgotten -- do you know how many STARTLING REVELATIONS!!!!111!!! and TROUBLING STORIES!!111!!!11 are going to get ginned up by the Echo Chamber between 9/15 and 9/16? Swift Boating is going to look like high tea.
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Purely for self preservation I would not want to be on stage with Ted Cruz trying to run to his right on a shutdown. Its like trying to out-stupid Fishy, or out-crochety-old-man Opie. It just ain't happening. :D

So, for Jeb Bush, Christie, Perry, the hundred other governors and ex-govs running, Rubio, Paul Ryan, Rand Paul, etc etc etc the LAST thing you want leading up to January primaries is a shut down. Do that and you might as well save everybody the trouble and just hand Cruz the nomination. The man can't be out crazied, and you can't argue that his nutiness is born of political convenience. The dude's actually insane! Authenticity that money can't buy. ;)

The problem for The Boner and his buddy Itch is they'll have no control over their caucus who'll want a shutdown with the added bonus that it'll get their guy (Cruz) the nomination. For some reason they've painted themselves into a corner that anybody can see coming a mile away. I'm not sure what they got out of that (millionaires being able to donate directly to the national committee instead of thru PAC's, some arcane derivative trading change that will most likely get reversed the next time Wall St does something stupid) is going to be worth it.
 
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Russia is in serious ****ing trouble right now.
 
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