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WCHA Season Thread 2017-18: In Which We Try For Two Bids

Re: WCHA Season Thread 2017-18: In Which We Try For Two Bids

Bale said:
Meh....hockey is too fluky of a game to think that losing one game on an eleven day road trip is reason to change opinions of a team's season.
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That's the problem for the WCHA. Even if you want to say a tournament-caliber team has a 90% chance of beating a bottom-10 team, MSU has played eight games against the bottom-10(and has four more to go), which gives them about an 11% chance of winning all eight.

Seven wins in their final 10 regular season games puts them in a range between 7th and 14th in the PWR. That, plus making it to the championship game in the conference playoffs should be enough to get them an at-large berth.
 
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MaizeRage said:
That's the problem for the WCHA. Even if you want to say a tournament-caliber team has a 90% chance of beating a bottom-10 team, MSU has played eight games against the bottom-10(and has four more to go), which gives them about an 11% chance of winning all eight.

Seven wins in their final 10 regular season games puts them in a range between 7th and 14th in the PWR. That, plus making it to the championship game in the conference playoffs should be enough to get them an at-large berth.
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Agreed. But i'd say that winning the next two will give them a lot more leeway than if they don't.
 
manurespreader said:
Agreed. But i'd say that winning the next two will give them a lot more leeway than if they don't.
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Absolutely. Win the next 2, and we could absorb 4 or 5 losses the rest of the way and still get an at-large bid. Split the next 2, and that drops to around 3 losses. Lose them both and it’s auto bid or bust
 
Re: WCHA Season Thread 2017-18: In Which We Try For Two Bids

25 NCHC Games (3-15-5)
15 Big10 Games (5-10-0)
4 Hockey East Games (3-0-1)
7 Atlantic Hockey Games (2-4-1)
5 ECAC Games (2-3-0)
7 Independent Games (2-3-0)
5 Interleague Games (Not counted in league total)
8 Exhibitions (Not counted in league or team total)
TOTAL: 17-35-7

ALABAMA-HUNTSVILLE (1-5-0)
-2 at Notre Dame L 3-5, L 0-4
-2 at Cornell L 1-5, L 0-3
-2 at Arizona State L 2-3, W 3-1

ALASKA (2-3-1)
-Simon Fraser (EXH) W 6-0
-2 with Air Force L 2-3, T 1-1
-2 at St. Cloud L 3-6, L 4-5 (OT)
-at Alaska-Anchorage W 6-2
-Alaska-Anchorage W 3-2

ALASKA-ANCHORAGE (0-5-1)
-Simon Fraser (EXH) W 6-1
-2 with North Dakota T 1-1, L 2-3 (OT)
-2 at Colorado College L 1-6, L 2-3
-Alaska L 2-6
-at Alaska L 2-3

BEMIDJI STATE (3-3-2)
-Minnesota-Duluth W 5-2
-at Minnesota-Duluth T 0-0
-2 with Air Force W 4-1, L 1-5
-2 @ Princeton W 5-3, L 1-4
-North Dakota L 1-5
-at North Dakota T 2-2

BOWLING GREEN (3-4-1)
-Wilfrid Laurier (EXH) W 3-1
-US Under 18 Team (EXH) W 4-1
-at Western Michigan L 1-3
-Michigan State W 3-1
-at Michigan State L 2-3
-2 with Miami L 3-6, T 2-2
-Western Michigan L 2-5
-vs. Michigan (Detroit) W 6-4
-Michigan Tech (Detroit) W 4-1

FERRIS STATE (3-5-0)
-at Western Michigan L 1-6
-Western Michigan W 3-2
-2 at Mercyhurst W 3-2, L 1-4
-2 at Michigan L 2-7, W 3-2 OT
-at Michigan State L 2-3 OT
-Michigan State L 1-3
-US Under 18 Team (EXH) L 1-5

LAKE SUPERIOR STATE (2-5-1)
-Laurentian (EXH) W 3-2
-Northern Michigan W 5-2
-at Northern Michigan L 1-4
-2 at Denver T 3-3, L 1-5
-2 at Michigan State L 3-4, L 0-6
-vs. Robert Morris (Pittsburgh) L 0-5
-vs. Arizona State (Pittsburgh) W 4-1

MICHIGAN TECH (4-3-0)
-at Wisconsin L 2-3
-vs. Union (Duluth) W 6-3
-vs. Minnesota-Duluth (Duluth) W 4-3
-vs. Michigan State (Detroit) W 5-2
-vs. Bowling Green (Detroit) L 1-4
-vs. Boston College (Las Vegas) W 4-3
-vs. Arizona State (Las Vegas) L 2-3
-2 with Arizona State

MINNESOTA STATE (2-2-0)
-Regina (EXH) W 8-0
-St. Cloud State L 0-4
-2 at Boston University W 6-3, W 3-0
-at Minnesota-Duluth L 1-3
-at St. Cloud State
-Minnesota-Duluth
-US Under 18 Team (EXH)

NORTHERN MICHIGAN (2-5-1)
-at Lake Superior State L 3-5
-Lake Superior State W 4-1
-2 vs. Wisconsin (Green Bay) W 5-4 (OT), L 0-4
-2 at Nebraska-Omaha L 3-4, L 1-4
-vs. Arizona State (Las Vegas) L 3-7
-vs. Boston College (Las Vegas) T 3-3
 
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WCHA Standings (Points, Games Played)

1 Minnesota State 45 20
2 Northern Michigan 37 18
3 Bowling Green 34 18
4 Bemidji State 30 16
5 Michigan Tech 28 18
6 Alabama Huntsville 24 20
7 Alaska 23 18
8 Ferris State 22 18
9 Lake Superior 15 18
10 Alaska Anchorage 12 16

Conference Schedule remaining:

Mankato: Anchorage, at Huntsville, Ferris, Bemidji
Bowling Green: Anchorage, at Lake State, Michigan Tech, at Anchorage, at Huntsville
Northern: Lake State, at Anchorage, at Huntsville, Alaska, home and home with Tech
Bemidji: at Ferris, at Huntsville, Lake State, at Tech, Alaska, at Mankato
Michigan Tech: Alaska, at Ferris, at Bowling Green, Bemidji, home and home with Northern
Huntsville: Bemidji, Northern, Mankato, Bowling Green
Alaska: at Tech, Ferris, at Northern, at Bemidji, Anchorage
Ferris: Bemidji, Tech, at Alaska, at Mankato, Lake State
Lake State: at Northern, Bowling Green, at Bemidji, at Alaska, at Ferris
Anchorage: at Bowling Green, Northern, at Mankato, Lake State, Bowling Green, at Alaska
 
Re: WCHA Season Thread 2017-18: In Which We Try For Two Bids

Congrats Mankato on your 5-2 W over St Cloud, helping out both your record and the WCHA's status.
 
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BSU has two games in hand on everyone else. There's a yawning gap between the top and bottom halves of the league right now.

GFM
 
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WCHA Standings (Points, Games Played). Minnesota State and Northern Michigan have clinched playoff berths (thanks Geof)

1 Minnesota State 45 20
2 Northern Michigan 43 20
3 Bowling Green 40 20
4 Bemidji State 36 18
5 Michigan Tech 34 20
6 Alabama Huntsville 24 20
7 Alaska 23 20
8 Ferris State 22 20
9 Lake Superior State15 20
10 Alaska Anchorage 12 18

Conference Schedule remaining:

Mankato: Anchorage, at Huntsville, Ferris, Bemidji
Bowling Green: at Lake State, Michigan Tech, at Anchorage, at Huntsville
Northern: at Anchorage, at Huntsville, Alaska, home and home with Tech
Bemidji: at Huntsville, Lake State, at Tech, Alaska, at Mankato
Michigan Tech: at Ferris, at Bowling Green, Bemidji, home and home with Northern
Huntsville: Bemidji, Northern, Mankato, Bowling Green
Alaska: Ferris, at Northern, at Bemidji, Anchorage
Ferris: Tech, at Alaska, at Mankato, Lake State
Lake State: Bowling Green, at Bemidji, at Alaska, at Ferris
Anchorage: Northern, at Mankato, Lake State, Bowling Green, at Alaska
 
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beaverhockeyfan said:
WCHA Standings (Points, Games Played).
1 Minnesota State 45 20
2 Northern Michigan 43 20
3 Bowling Green 40 20
4 Bemidji State 36 18
5 Michigan Tech 34 20

Conference Schedule remaining:
Michigan Tech: at Ferris, at Bowling Green, Bemidji, home and home with Northern
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Tech has a tough schedule, but if they don't finish in the top half they have no one to blame but themselves. They have six points up for grabs against each of the three teams immediately above them yet this season. If you want to be the best you need to beat the best.
Ryan
 
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JohnsonsJerseys said:
Tech has a tough schedule, but if they don't finish in the top half they have no one to blame but themselves. They have six points up for grabs against each of the three teams immediately above them yet this season. If you want to be the best you need to beat the best.
Ryan
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yes but even if they sweep Bemidji next month they would still need help from someone else in order to go by them in the standings.
now here's a question. After the first round, say a lower seeded team has won and has to play another lower seeded team that also won. At what rink would that series be played. ? Same for the semi's. let's say BG comes to NMU and wins, and lets say whoever plays mankato also wins. At whose rink will that next series be played?
 
manurespreader said:
yes but even if they sweep Bemidji next month they would still need help from someone else in order to go by them in the standings.
now here's a question. After the first round, say a lower seeded team has won and has to play another lower seeded team that also won. At what rink would that series be played. ? Same for the semi's. let's say BG comes to NMU and wins, and lets say whoever plays mankato also wins. At whose rink will that next series be played?
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Highest seed hosts every round, so in your scenario BG would host the Championship. That assumes MSU is 1 and NMU is 2.
 
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manurespreader said:
yes but even if they sweep Bemidji next month they would still need help from someone else in order to go by them in the standings.
now here's a question. After the first round, say a lower seeded team has won and has to play another lower seeded team that also won. At what rink would that series be played. ? Same for the semi's. let's say BG comes to NMU and wins, and lets say whoever plays mankato also wins. At whose rink will that next series be played?
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BG. Highest remaining seed gets to host.
 
manurespreader said:
yes but even if they sweep Bemidji next month they would still need help from someone else in order to go by them in the standings.
now here's a question. After the first round, say a lower seeded team has won and has to play another lower seeded team that also won. At what rink would that series be played. ? Same for the semi's. let's say BG comes to NMU and wins, and lets say whoever plays mankato also wins. At whose rink will that next series be played?
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Teams are re-seeded after each round.
 
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davyd83 said:
Teams are re-seeded after each round.
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ok so the team that beats Mankato in this scenario, they are a lower seed than either Nmu or BG because they finished lower than those two in the regular season, correct?. So I guess I don't get how that is re seeding?
 
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manurespreader said:
ok so the team that beats Mankato in this scenario, they are a lower seed than either Nmu or BG because they finished lower than those two in the regular season, correct?. So I guess I don't get how that is re seeding?
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My guess is after all the games are played in the 1st round all the winning teams are re seeded according to their current (win/loss) record. The team with the best record is the the highest seed. If 2 teams have the same record, you then go to the WCHA rules for a tie-breaker. Off the top of my head I think it is how your record is head to head against each other. The WCHA website would probably have the playoff rules there.
 
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For example: 2,4, 6 and 8 win the first round. For the second round, 2 becomes 1, 4 becomes 2, 6 becomes 3, and 8 becomes 4. In round 2, 2 and 4 win - two hosts the championship.
 
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In plain English, the highest two remaining 1st round seeds will host the two lowest remaining 1st round seeds. First hosts the worst and the two middles play each other.

A teams's win/loss record after the first round has no bearing on the reseeding process. Whether you advance with a 2-1 series win or 2-0 series win doesn't matter.

Ryan
 
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