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WCHA Season Thread 2017-18: In Which We Try For Two Bids
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It will depend on who keeps wining but it should be a better chance than before.
manurespreader
Still upright
Re: WCHA Season Thread 2017-18: In Which We Try For Two Bids
Some very big non conference games this week coming up. Bemidji has their work cut out for them in Princeton. Those guys are good, play disciplined and will be ready to play. it will be tough. The BG series with miami will also be huge. Miami is better than last year and Bg has to have a win if they want to move up in the power.
Some very big non conference games this week coming up. Bemidji has their work cut out for them in Princeton. Those guys are good, play disciplined and will be ready to play. it will be tough. The BG series with miami will also be huge. Miami is better than last year and Bg has to have a win if they want to move up in the power.
I sure hope BG waits till next week to prepare for Miami. They have to concentrate on Mankato first.
Re: WCHA Season Thread 2017-18: In Which We Try For Two Bids
I've always enjoyed the BG / Miami games and this one promises to be no exception (Miami grad, in the spirit of full disclosure), but I think if Miami stays out of the penalty box, BG has its hands full.
I watched (streamed) the Miami vs North Dakota games last weekend. Miami looked fast to me - the PBP guys mentioned it a couple of times too.
I've always enjoyed the BG / Miami games and this one promises to be no exception (Miami grad, in the spirit of full disclosure), but I think if Miami stays out of the penalty box, BG has its hands full.
manurespreader
Still upright
Re: WCHA Season Thread 2017-18: In Which We Try For Two Bids
Sorry, I got ahead of myself a bit there.
purpleinnebraska
Well-known member
Re: WCHA Season Thread 2017-18: In Which We Try For Two Bids
That's OK. Stay home! Rest up this weekend!
That's OK. Stay home! Rest up this weekend!
manurespreader
Still upright
Re: WCHA Season Thread 2017-18: In Which We Try For Two Bids
Apparently the on ice officiating in our league is not the only place fans are unhappy. Witness the travesty that went on in Denver this last weekend.
Apparently the on ice officiating in our league is not the only place fans are unhappy. Witness the travesty that went on in Denver this last weekend.
Suze
New member
Re: WCHA Season Thread 2017-18: In Which We Try For Two Bids
What happened in Denver? I don't feel like reading through their posts to find out.
What happened in Denver? I don't feel like reading through their posts to find out.
FadeToBlack&Gold
8647
Re: WCHA Season Thread 2017-18: In Which We Try For Two Bids
Motzko and Montgomery both got fined for "having some words" with the officiating crew. I don't know the details.
Motzko and Montgomery both got fined for "having some words" with the officiating crew. I don't know the details.
Ive read that it might have had something to do with a top recruit bailing on SCSU at the last second and sending a Letter of intent to Denver instead. Montgomery may have violated the unwritten rule of leaving a player alone once he verbally commits.
Shirtless Guy
Old Dirty Basterd
Re: WCHA Season Thread 2017-18: In Which We Try For Two Bids
As far as I know, the gentleman’s agreement is dead thanks to the B1G schools, but yes most of this was related to Cole Guttman flipping from SCSU to DU right before the early signing period.
manurespreader
Still upright
Re: WCHA Season Thread 2017-18: In Which We Try For Two Bids
I want to point out that this gentlemen's agreement has been a joke for a couple of years at least now and though I give Motzko credit for going by it, he should understand if he wants a kid, sign him to an NLI right away.
speaking of issues, I've heard that BU is going to push to cut the age of recruits, as Lucia did a couple of years ago, and if we are reviewing the rules, maybe we ought to review haw many commits a team can have listed, because some teams, the skunks in particular, have a huge number.
This is sports, and sportsmanship ought to come first, no matter how disappointed you are. Doing this sets a terrible example for the players, and those two guys ought to be ashamed of themselves. Even with the refereeing we have in our league, and it's not all that hot, we don't end up with coaches fighting.
I know it's not confined to our sport, but well, I'm not a fan of it. I was in Croatia recently.. Dynamo Zagreb was at Split Hajduk, for the derby. A huge game and Zagreb gets a tie in the waning minutes on a penalty kick given for an infraction in the box. Split was so unhappy that the executives go over to the Zagreb box and start a fist fight. From that were several arrests.
Yes, subsequently then there is a scrum at the Denver goal,in saturday's game, St cloud is in the net behind the goalie and scores, which is called back. The refs also called a major on St cloud late in the second and overall Motzko was really unhappy. He made pointed comments on tv about the refs on friday and then he and Montgomery had to be separated by the refs in the post game handshake line.
I want to point out that this gentlemen's agreement has been a joke for a couple of years at least now and though I give Motzko credit for going by it, he should understand if he wants a kid, sign him to an NLI right away.
speaking of issues, I've heard that BU is going to push to cut the age of recruits, as Lucia did a couple of years ago, and if we are reviewing the rules, maybe we ought to review haw many commits a team can have listed, because some teams, the skunks in particular, have a huge number.
This is sports, and sportsmanship ought to come first, no matter how disappointed you are. Doing this sets a terrible example for the players, and those two guys ought to be ashamed of themselves. Even with the refereeing we have in our league, and it's not all that hot, we don't end up with coaches fighting.
I know it's not confined to our sport, but well, I'm not a fan of it. I was in Croatia recently.. Dynamo Zagreb was at Split Hajduk, for the derby. A huge game and Zagreb gets a tie in the waning minutes on a penalty kick given for an infraction in the box. Split was so unhappy that the executives go over to the Zagreb box and start a fist fight. From that were several arrests.
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FadeToBlack&Gold
8647
Re: WCHA Season Thread 2017-18: In Which We Try For Two Bids
Aaaaah, I get it now, hadn't heard that. Sheesh, what a soap opera.
Well said. We did come close there with Damon and Mel a couple years ago. This incident must've been a bit more hands-on than that, if they had to be pulled apart.
Aaaaah, I get it now, hadn't heard that. Sheesh, what a soap opera.
Well said. We did come close there with Damon and Mel a couple years ago. This incident must've been a bit more hands-on than that, if they had to be pulled apart.
Shirtless Guy
Old Dirty Basterd
Re: WCHA Season Thread 2017-18: In Which We Try For Two Bids
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John J. MacInnes
Coach Emeritus
Re: WCHA Season Thread 2017-18: In Which We Try For Two Bids
Wow, what a PR disaster. Totally embarrassing for both schools and both coaches. They should be suspended and one step away from being fired.
This is the biggest bag of nothing of the season so far.
Wow, what a PR disaster. Totally embarrassing for both schools and both coaches. They should be suspended and one step away from being fired.
This is the biggest bag of nothing of the season so far.
Re: WCHA Season Thread 2017-18: In Which We Try For Two Bids
That doesn't surprise me from BU. There seemed to be a concerted effort when MSU played them to hype up the fact that they were so much younger than MSU. It's interesting watching these recruiting issues from a distance (I don't know the ins and outs or know anything about the recruits until they get in our program). I understand the thinking of some of the coaches pushing for these things, but it seems to me that their ire is misguided.
PROBLEM #1: They want to get rid of the gentlemen's agreement. OK, I get it. There are some schools that are abusing it. Namely the biggest of big schools like Michigan and Wisconsin. But they conveniently gloss over the unintended consequences of it and the spirit of the rule. Simple fix....limit the number of "commitments" that a school can accept. Another simple fix....limit the young age during which a school can recruit. These are DIRECT rules at the supposed problems. Not end arounds.
PROBLEM #2: They want to limit the upper end of the age of college players. Again, I get it. The reasoning goes that A) they want athletes to mirror the general student population and B) some coaches are stringing guys along and forcing them to stay in juniors longer before actually offering them a legitimate scholarship. This, again, seems like the biggest abusers of these rules are the larger schools that over recruit and force kids to sit out. By all accounts (and it's hard to find actual figures, but maybe someone here has them), the average age of college kids is rising, so who is the actual outlier? Is it the younger teams? Or is it the older teams? Secondly, again, there is a simple solution to this problem. Limit the number of "commitments" that a school can accept.
In my view, if you over recruit, you are the cause of this problem. Not everyone else. You take kids that are younger. You take kids that leave after 1 or 2 years, of course your average age is going to be younger. That's not everyone else's problem, that's yours. Different teams take different approaches and if your approach is to take the most talented kids that are going to leave in a year or two, your team is ALWAYS going to be younger. It's a simple mathematical problem (I know....college's being required to understand math. UNBELIEVABLE!)
I guess my point is, if the concerns that they air are the real reason they want to eliminate these things or limit ages, then fix the problem directly even if the solution hurts their own program. If they are truly worried about "college hockey" then do the right thing and quit trying to find a way to maybe fix the problems and not caring about the collateral damage. If the concerns are actually something different and they are trying to limit smaller schools opportunities to compete (which is what it seems like from the tactics they are taking), then at least have the integrity to say that.
That doesn't surprise me from BU. There seemed to be a concerted effort when MSU played them to hype up the fact that they were so much younger than MSU. It's interesting watching these recruiting issues from a distance (I don't know the ins and outs or know anything about the recruits until they get in our program). I understand the thinking of some of the coaches pushing for these things, but it seems to me that their ire is misguided.
PROBLEM #1: They want to get rid of the gentlemen's agreement. OK, I get it. There are some schools that are abusing it. Namely the biggest of big schools like Michigan and Wisconsin. But they conveniently gloss over the unintended consequences of it and the spirit of the rule. Simple fix....limit the number of "commitments" that a school can accept. Another simple fix....limit the young age during which a school can recruit. These are DIRECT rules at the supposed problems. Not end arounds.
PROBLEM #2: They want to limit the upper end of the age of college players. Again, I get it. The reasoning goes that A) they want athletes to mirror the general student population and B) some coaches are stringing guys along and forcing them to stay in juniors longer before actually offering them a legitimate scholarship. This, again, seems like the biggest abusers of these rules are the larger schools that over recruit and force kids to sit out. By all accounts (and it's hard to find actual figures, but maybe someone here has them), the average age of college kids is rising, so who is the actual outlier? Is it the younger teams? Or is it the older teams? Secondly, again, there is a simple solution to this problem. Limit the number of "commitments" that a school can accept.
In my view, if you over recruit, you are the cause of this problem. Not everyone else. You take kids that are younger. You take kids that leave after 1 or 2 years, of course your average age is going to be younger. That's not everyone else's problem, that's yours. Different teams take different approaches and if your approach is to take the most talented kids that are going to leave in a year or two, your team is ALWAYS going to be younger. It's a simple mathematical problem (I know....college's being required to understand math. UNBELIEVABLE!)
I guess my point is, if the concerns that they air are the real reason they want to eliminate these things or limit ages, then fix the problem directly even if the solution hurts their own program. If they are truly worried about "college hockey" then do the right thing and quit trying to find a way to maybe fix the problems and not caring about the collateral damage. If the concerns are actually something different and they are trying to limit smaller schools opportunities to compete (which is what it seems like from the tactics they are taking), then at least have the integrity to say that.
manurespreader
Still upright
Re: WCHA Season Thread 2017-18: In Which We Try For Two Bids
An argument could be made that recruits would develop faster at a non name school, because exposure does not skate down the ice, or get you better at taking face-offs.
Well i'd bet a dollar to a donut that the real motivation has nothing to do with concern for the players or age equality to the student body or any of that. It's pure and simple a way to get an edge and win more games. IMHO.
An argument could be made that recruits would develop faster at a non name school, because exposure does not skate down the ice, or get you better at taking face-offs.
Suze
New member
Re: WCHA Season Thread 2017-18: In Which We Try For Two Bids
Unfortunately a coach can't always sign a player to an NLI right away. Their are age restrictions, and signing periods to abide by. UND was known to "steal" a few UAA recruits over the years ... this has been going on for a long time, but it's not talked about very much.
Unfortunately a coach can't always sign a player to an NLI right away. Their are age restrictions, and signing periods to abide by. UND was known to "steal" a few UAA recruits over the years ... this has been going on for a long time, but it's not talked about very much.
Shirtless Guy
Old Dirty Basterd
Re: WCHA Season Thread 2017-18: In Which We Try For Two Bids
Suze is right...Guttman had committed to SCSU in April 2016 at the age of 17. The early signing period for what should be players coming in for 2018 started on November 8, 2017 and Guttman flipped and decommitted/signed on November 13, 2017. As far as twitter/heisenberg say.
Suze is right...Guttman had committed to SCSU in April 2016 at the age of 17. The early signing period for what should be players coming in for 2018 started on November 8, 2017 and Guttman flipped and decommitted/signed on November 13, 2017. As far as twitter/heisenberg say.
UAHStatman
Registered User
Re: WCHA Season Thread 2017-18: In Which We Try For Two Bids
Matty Thomas alluded to this during our Blue Line Club luncheon last week (thought not naming specific programs). It comes down to getting a player to realize that they can make a bigger impact at a UAA (or UAH) than the bigger program that may end up not having a regular spot for him after they've over recruited. And that's not easy.
Matty Thomas alluded to this during our Blue Line Club luncheon last week (thought not naming specific programs). It comes down to getting a player to realize that they can make a bigger impact at a UAA (or UAH) than the bigger program that may end up not having a regular spot for him after they've over recruited. And that's not easy.