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w-t-f is uscho talking about?

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redhawkman10 said:
Your welcome :D . Just tired of the sob story from the WCHA, you get more respect if you are realistic like some I have talked too.

I stated they have some say but not as much as you were saying and crying about. They move to avoid interconference matchups in the first round and attendance issues mainly. I would put multiple WCHA out west if I were them too, your attendance will be better. They do the same to hockey east in the East regional but they are crying about it.
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First of all, it's funny that you talk about "earning respect" when you couldn't even bother to make your original statement in the thread itself.

Making a statement (whether you agree with it or not) is not automatically "crying". The tournament committee certainly has enough say to adjust the pairings, and they do so on a regular basis. If they adjust pairings for attendance purposes, what makes you think they wouldn't do it for ratings purposes as well? I doubt the all WCHA Frozen Four in 2005 gained much interest on the east coast, so I would think the tournament committee would do what they can to prevent that from happening again...with ANY conference. Whether or not it's fair to a specific conference (in this case, the WCHA), you can't tell me that doesn't weigh on their minds. I doubt they want an all HEA Frozen Four, either.
 
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umassfan49 said:
I wouldn't exactly say too many more. Ryan McDonagh and Jake Gardiner are both possibilites, but nobody else really sticks out in my mind as jumping ship after this season. I think it's almost a certainty that guys like Derek Stepan will stick around for at least another year, especially if Wisconsin does well enough this season.
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What about Brendan Smith and Cody Goloubef, I'm not counting on them being back next year.
 
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walrus said:
Isn't Minnesota the only team that matters? and isn't Minnesota in the WCHA? Minnie sucks, WCHA sucks, simple as that:p
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Its sad but true, Minnesota is the only WCHA team that the coasties think is a top team..
 
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redhawkman10 said:
Your welcome :D . Just tired of the sob story from the WCHA, you get more respect if you are realistic like some I have talked too.

I stated they have some say but not as much as you were saying and crying about. They move to avoid interconference matchups in the first round and attendance issues mainly. I would put multiple WCHA out west if I were them too, your attendance will be better. They do the same to hockey east in the East regional but they are crying about it.
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What are you babbling about now? :rolleyes: :p The CUPCAKEHOCKEYASSOCIATION has like one really good team and a couple of ok teams again. Funny if the tourney started today Michigan would be on the outside.
 
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Innova said:
What about Brendan Smith and Cody Goloubef, I'm not counting on them being back next year.
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Smith is having a breakout season and is a possibility but id expect to see Goloubef back next year. I'd expect him all four years, especially as a Canadian kid who took the NCAA route as opposed to the OHL, when clearly the talent is there.
 
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There is a reason why the WCHA teams reach the requisite 10 TUC games before every other conference each year, they play the best week-in and week-out.

I hate to do it, but I have to mention that if all we used was a team's record and their opponent's record as the criteria for choosing the teams, we would use the KRACH system. Take a look at the differences between the PWR and the KRACH and you'll know why they don't use it. It would be the WCHA final five all over again.

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Current KRACH

The PWR puts too high of an emphasis on record alone, while ignoring their competition's strength of schedule. Just look at how far Quinnipiac drops in the KRACH due to their weak opponents.

I will agree that after the NHL lockout and the new CBA, more talent is leaving early. This essentially guts a team of their leaders and puts most top programs into a perpetual rebuilding mode. There is no doubt that the WCHA has seen more talent leave early.

I agree that most of the stories and polls listed on any site, whether it be USCHO or INCH, are pretty much useless. The PWR is what is used to determine the final 16, so why are any other polls necessary? The polls and stories create controversy, allowing us to come online to hem and haw about how our team would destroy any other team 100% of the time.
THE ENTIRE UNIVERSITY OF MINNESOTA DULUTH TEAM FOR HOBEY!!!!111!!
 
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Goon said:
Trust me he does, he is probably the guy that wrote the article for the Miami U paper. :) :D
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awe goon low blow, you know better than that. Didn't go to Miami and have no association with the paper and that horrific article.

I do think Miami has a chance to win the title, just as you think UND will. Atleast our beliefs are legitimant.
 
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UMDSimmerdown said:
There is a reason why the WCHA teams reach the requisite 10 TUC games before every other conference each year, they play the best week-in and week-out.

I hate to do it, but I have to mention that if all we used was a team's record and their opponent's record as the criteria for choosing the teams, we would use the KRACH system. Take a look at the differences between the PWR and the KRACH and you'll know why they don't use it. It would be the WCHA final five all over again.

Current Pairwise

Current KRACH

The PWR puts too high of an emphasis on record alone, while ignoring their competition's strength of schedule. Just look at how far Quinnipiac drops in the KRACH due to their weak opponents.

I will agree that after the NHL lockout and the new CBA, more talent is leaving early. This essentially guts a team of their leaders and puts most top programs into a perpetual rebuilding mode. There is no doubt that the WCHA has seen more talent leave early.

I agree that most of the stories and polls listed on any site, whether it be USCHO or INCH, are pretty much useless. The PWR is what is used to determine the final 16, so why are any other polls necessary? The polls and stories create controversy, allowing us to come online to hem and haw about how our team would destroy any other team 100% of the time.
THE ENTIRE UNIVERSITY OF MINNESOTA DULUTH TEAM FOR HOBEY!!!!111!!
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Last time I checked Miami wasn't in the WCHA and they are currently in first in both the PWR and Krach. Since you want to use the KRACH second place is more than 200 pts behind them.
 
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Goon said:
What are you babbling about now? :rolleyes: :p The CUPCAKEHOCKEYASSOCIATION has like one really good team and a couple of ok teams again. Funny if the tourney started today Michigan would be on the outside.
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You are right, CCHA is probably third best conference this year. Michigan would be out as would Minnesota :eek: . WCHA is better this year but hasn't been good the past two years. Hockey east is down compared to what it was last year so I would put WCHA 1 Hockey East 2 and CCHA 3. Michigan may be down but Sparty is playing well and Ferris is underratted. Lots of hockey left to be played. But the the last two years the CCHA was better than WCHA, the sooner you admit it the quicker the healing process can happen and you guys come back to reality. You always say nothing matters until the tourny and well since 2005 the results speak for themselves.
 
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redhawkman10 said:
and Ferris is underratted
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You're right, Ferris is desperately low on rats.


(sorry, just came from a Hokydad thread...)
 
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redhawkman10 said:
Not saying that but They have a better chance than any school in minnesota....But I would take the field over those 4 teams and put my life on it. There are teams out east that are highly underrated and over looked. Knock Miami all you want, they have prooven worthy of the position they are in currently and are a favorite with UND and Den. I would bet against those 3 if I had the option, its simple math and probabilities.
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You lost to BEMIDJI STATE. Fold your program! KAW!
 
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redhawkman10 said:
Last time I checked Miami wasn't in the WCHA and they are currently in first in both the PWR and Krach. Since you want to use the KRACH second place is more than 200 pts behind them.
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I never said Miami was in the WCHA, and I never said a WCHA team should be #1. I was simply pointing out that if you used the model based on pure math alone, the WCHA would represent a significant amount of the final 16.

And the KRACH "points" aren't a one-to-one point structure like you're referring them to be, you obviously didn't read the primer as to how the KRACH works or what the points represent. You're supposed to divide the higher team by the lower team to find the predicted win ratio based on past performance. Hence, Miami would be predicted to win 1.38 times to every one of Denver's if they played a large amount of games.

Apparently you don't understand sarcasm, since I ended my post poking fun at our rantings and basically stating that the only thing that matters is the PWR at the end of the year. But go ahead, keep talking about the dynasty that hasn't won anything....:rolleyes:
 
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redhawkman10 said:
You always say nothing matters until the tourny and well since 2005 the results speak for themselves.
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Yep, you're right. 5-4 in the tournament for Miami. Better than Minnesota I'll give you that.

Minnesota was 3-4 in those same years. Extend that back to 2002 and you get 10-4 for the Gophers and (still) 5-4 for Miami.

In your anonymous negative rep, you said I was jealous. Right... I'll take my 2 national titles, and 0.714 winning percentage.
 
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