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Vermont Hockey: Taking No Prisoners In 2012-2013
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Re: Vermont Hockey: Taking No Prisoners In 2012-2013
Don't know what you mean by your first question? A lot of people overlooked this guy and there are a lot of recruits to look at out there to review. What would have drawn VT/Sneddon to this kid in particular?
Question 2: Definitely yes as the trend in hockey is larger rinks to facilitate a faster more open game. Would make the rink remain modern for a longer. My opinion only.
Don't know what you mean by your first question? A lot of people overlooked this guy and there are a lot of recruits to look at out there to review. What would have drawn VT/Sneddon to this kid in particular?
Question 2: Definitely yes as the trend in hockey is larger rinks to facilitate a faster more open game. Would make the rink remain modern for a longer. My opinion only.
Re: Vermont Hockey: Taking No Prisoners In 2012-2013
Re: Vermont Hockey: Taking No Prisoners In 2012-2013
Why don't we blame global warming on Sneddon also?
I have considered that if Girgensons had showed up on campus and generated even twice the points he has in the AHL thus far this season everyone would be blaming Sneddon. Hey, the buck stops at the head coach but give me a break.
I like where the team is headed. If Stalburg had stayed another year (he should have) then they would be in the mix for the last home ice spot.
They should get even deeper next year and I like the way the D is shaping up, they are still young (in college class, if not in years)
Go Cats
Why don't we blame global warming on Sneddon also?
I have considered that if Girgensons had showed up on campus and generated even twice the points he has in the AHL thus far this season everyone would be blaming Sneddon. Hey, the buck stops at the head coach but give me a break.
I like where the team is headed. If Stalburg had stayed another year (he should have) then they would be in the mix for the last home ice spot.
They should get even deeper next year and I like the way the D is shaping up, they are still young (in college class, if not in years)
Go Cats
jcarter7669
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Re: Vermont Hockey: Taking No Prisoners In 2012-2013
I will agree with you on the defensemen. They are pretty solid, and getting better as they go along. I also agree that Stalberg should have stayed and that would have been a boost for this team. As close as the league is, it would have made a big difference.
What I do blame Sneddon for is the anemic special teams. The PP and PK suck. I would expect this to be Sneddon's strong suit but so far it is a severe handicap for this team. It also seems somewhat obvious in terms of fixing. Our PP looks nothing like other teams, the puck doesn't get moved around, they never get the other team moving, etc. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to look at the how good PP's are playing and copy it.
That said, it isn't all Sneddon's fault, but ultimately there is a lack of scoring and looking at the roster there just shouldn't be. Reynolds, McCarthy, Fallon, are all good scorers and finishers. Brickley, White, Markinson, Decenzo all can be good scorers. Its not like this team doesn't have finishers... but they certainly aren't scoring. With even marginal improvements in scoring this team would be a lot higher in the standings.
I will agree with you on the defensemen. They are pretty solid, and getting better as they go along. I also agree that Stalberg should have stayed and that would have been a boost for this team. As close as the league is, it would have made a big difference.
What I do blame Sneddon for is the anemic special teams. The PP and PK suck. I would expect this to be Sneddon's strong suit but so far it is a severe handicap for this team. It also seems somewhat obvious in terms of fixing. Our PP looks nothing like other teams, the puck doesn't get moved around, they never get the other team moving, etc. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to look at the how good PP's are playing and copy it.
That said, it isn't all Sneddon's fault, but ultimately there is a lack of scoring and looking at the roster there just shouldn't be. Reynolds, McCarthy, Fallon, are all good scorers and finishers. Brickley, White, Markinson, Decenzo all can be good scorers. Its not like this team doesn't have finishers... but they certainly aren't scoring. With even marginal improvements in scoring this team would be a lot higher in the standings.
UVM Cat in Texas
Now UVM Cat in Georgia
Re: Vermont Hockey: Taking No Prisoners In 2012-2013
I didn't see the game last night (as ATT U-Verse doesn't carry NESN, at least in Atlanta), but it sounds like we played pretty well except for the penalties. I don't know about you guys, but I get VERY nervous when I start to read that the team has turned the corner and has finally gotten things figured out. We had that this week with the HE article by Dave Hendrickson on this web site, and the article in the BFP by Ted Ryan. Lots of quotes by coach and players that we weren't doing certain things before and now we are. And quotes by Sneddon that he now has the utmost confidence in the penalty kill. We had the same kind of talk after the holidays and then went into a total swoon in January. I'm not saying the quotes and thoughts were unwarranted, just that I think we play poorly when that's the mindset. Not sure what I'd do differently other than try to play with a chip on our shoulder every night. Hopefully we can do that and quickly get back to winning ways tonight. Go Cats, Go!
I didn't see the game last night (as ATT U-Verse doesn't carry NESN, at least in Atlanta), but it sounds like we played pretty well except for the penalties. I don't know about you guys, but I get VERY nervous when I start to read that the team has turned the corner and has finally gotten things figured out. We had that this week with the HE article by Dave Hendrickson on this web site, and the article in the BFP by Ted Ryan. Lots of quotes by coach and players that we weren't doing certain things before and now we are. And quotes by Sneddon that he now has the utmost confidence in the penalty kill. We had the same kind of talk after the holidays and then went into a total swoon in January. I'm not saying the quotes and thoughts were unwarranted, just that I think we play poorly when that's the mindset. Not sure what I'd do differently other than try to play with a chip on our shoulder every night. Hopefully we can do that and quickly get back to winning ways tonight. Go Cats, Go!
Re: Vermont Hockey: Taking No Prisoners In 2012-2013
THREE Soft Goals........
He doesnt move well sided to side.
Give another Goalie a shot...
Why not?
Nothing to lose.....
THREE Soft Goals........
He doesnt move well sided to side.
Give another Goalie a shot...
Why not?
Nothing to lose.....
UVM Cat in Texas
Now UVM Cat in Georgia
I agree and have been saying the same thing. Can't believe Sneddon isn't the least bit curious to see what Faust can do in a game situation. Nothing to lose indeed.
UVM Cat in Texas
Now UVM Cat in Georgia
Re: Vermont Hockey: Taking No Prisoners In 2012-2013
Thought we played really, REALLY well last night and probably left a point on the table. I haven't seen every game, but I've seen a few and have at least listened to most, and this had to be their best overall performance of the season. Thought UNH's goal was a soft one, but not sure Hoffman could have done much about it anyway. Just one of those ones where you flip it on net, it goes through a bunch of people, and goes in. Oh well, I guess it all evens out anyway as UNH hit the post later in the game on a wicked wrist shot. I thought UVM had some good chances to win toward the end of the game, but just couldn't capitalize. Particularly that one sequence where we had numbers and the player tried to dish it off to White who apparently never saw the puck. Our guy (can't recall who) was in close already and should have shot instead of trying for the pretty goal. Oh well. But if we play anything at all like this next weekend against BU, we're gonna come away with some points. Go Cats, Go.
Thought we played really, REALLY well last night and probably left a point on the table. I haven't seen every game, but I've seen a few and have at least listened to most, and this had to be their best overall performance of the season. Thought UNH's goal was a soft one, but not sure Hoffman could have done much about it anyway. Just one of those ones where you flip it on net, it goes through a bunch of people, and goes in. Oh well, I guess it all evens out anyway as UNH hit the post later in the game on a wicked wrist shot. I thought UVM had some good chances to win toward the end of the game, but just couldn't capitalize. Particularly that one sequence where we had numbers and the player tried to dish it off to White who apparently never saw the puck. Our guy (can't recall who) was in close already and should have shot instead of trying for the pretty goal. Oh well. But if we play anything at all like this next weekend against BU, we're gonna come away with some points. Go Cats, Go.
Re: Vermont Hockey: Taking No Prisoners In 2012-2013
I looked to me on replay that Mccarthy just shanked the shot and wasnt passing.
Looks like UVM will finish in the #7 spot. Umass has to play 2@ UNH and a homenhome with Merrimack
funny we actually have the better schedule with a falling BU and BC at home. And Maine also has 2 at UNH
which will make it hard for them to gain 4 points in 4 games unless we go 0-4.
However we wont know who we will play for a while as the top 6 are bunched up only seperated by 4 points.
I looked to me on replay that Mccarthy just shanked the shot and wasnt passing.
Looks like UVM will finish in the #7 spot. Umass has to play 2@ UNH and a homenhome with Merrimack
funny we actually have the better schedule with a falling BU and BC at home. And Maine also has 2 at UNH
which will make it hard for them to gain 4 points in 4 games unless we go 0-4.
However we wont know who we will play for a while as the top 6 are bunched up only seperated by 4 points.
HOCKEYGUY23
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According to Sneddon bad ice on McCarthy shot. He should bench him next game because of it. The nerve of him shanking. Especially in OT.
Sarcasm aside what's going on w Brickley and Markinson's line? They must still be hurting more then anyone is letting on cause they are much better then them results they are getting.
Not that the year is over but does the way the team has been playing since BC give hope for larger strides next year? Think there are any early departures?
atleasturbetterthanmaine
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Re: Vermont Hockey: Taking No Prisoners In 2012-2013
nah, nobody is good enough to leave early. the only one leaving early should be sneddon
nah, nobody is good enough to leave early. the only one leaving early should be sneddon
Re: Vermont Hockey: Taking No Prisoners In 2012-2013
With all the talk of this team "turning the corner", I have to bring some reality into this discussion again. Both games against UNH were completely boring hockey games. Slow down, off the glass, chip it out, minimal puck possesion, with un disciplined penalties. Again, I will say it, you cant win consistently in Hockey East when playing this defensive paranoia style. If you are blessed with a player like Victor Stahlberg once in a while that will put up goals regardless of the coaching style, then you can win a few more. Why do you think his brother couldnt wait to leave?
As far as Brickley and Markinson I think you have to be careful not to carried away with both of thier overalll skill level. Markinson is fast, thats it. Brickley hits guys hard, thats it. Niether has ever, and I mean ever, been a true goal scorer. Brickely had a great year in juniors but had the blessing of playing with the current Hobey Baker leader, Ryan Walters, and one of the best playmakers in NCAA hockey right now, TJ Tynan. Florida will have an interesting decsion to make in signing him this year but my guess is they wont and he will become a free agent. You only get 52 guys right now under contract, I can see him being one of Florida's top 52 right now.
Markinson scored 13 goals total in 2 years in the USHL. I'm not saying they are bad players but I would consider any goals that they score to be a complete bonus.
With all the talk of this team "turning the corner", I have to bring some reality into this discussion again. Both games against UNH were completely boring hockey games. Slow down, off the glass, chip it out, minimal puck possesion, with un disciplined penalties. Again, I will say it, you cant win consistently in Hockey East when playing this defensive paranoia style. If you are blessed with a player like Victor Stahlberg once in a while that will put up goals regardless of the coaching style, then you can win a few more. Why do you think his brother couldnt wait to leave?
As far as Brickley and Markinson I think you have to be careful not to carried away with both of thier overalll skill level. Markinson is fast, thats it. Brickley hits guys hard, thats it. Niether has ever, and I mean ever, been a true goal scorer. Brickely had a great year in juniors but had the blessing of playing with the current Hobey Baker leader, Ryan Walters, and one of the best playmakers in NCAA hockey right now, TJ Tynan. Florida will have an interesting decsion to make in signing him this year but my guess is they wont and he will become a free agent. You only get 52 guys right now under contract, I can see him being one of Florida's top 52 right now.
Markinson scored 13 goals total in 2 years in the USHL. I'm not saying they are bad players but I would consider any goals that they score to be a complete bonus.
coasttocoast
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Re: Vermont Hockey: Taking No Prisoners In 2012-2013
I believe Burlington, Ontario and not Burlington, VT.....
I noticed Vermont, doesn't seem to get kid's from Ontario and Quebec. Vermont is right next door to these provinces, Ontario being the biggest single producer of Div. 1 players. I realize the BCHL & Alberta league are considered the two best Canadian junior A leagues, but Vermont isn't in a position to attract the top kids from those leagues, and seems to settle for the second tier of kids. I would think they would go after the Ontario & Quebec kid's. Most of the other HE schools are committing kid's from ONT. & Quebec leagues. If someone could enlighten me as to why, I would appreciate it. By the way, great effort against UNH this past weekend, this team deserves the playoff spot.
Re: Vermont Hockey: Taking No Prisoners In 2012-2013
You nailed it on the head! Especially the Friday game it was chip up off the glass out of the zone all night long and hope for a lucky bounce for one of our offensive players to get possession. You could see the difference between UNH (and I think this is slightly below their usual high skill high power offense teams) they pass or carry out of the zone much better and have much more passing and possession in the offensive end. We have one or two passes at best or are pushed into the corners where we have an ineffective cycle that doesn't create anything. Not sure how much is coaching and how much is just the plain old skill level of our players. Considering it has been this way pretty much all during Sneddon's tenure some of it has to fall on coaching.
On a positive note I do think Saturday they did do more possession and control and carry through the neutral zone and the top line had some good possessions and passing in the offensive end and should have had a couple more goals. McCarthy and Fallon are by far the top players on the team. Reynolds has lost something from last year or maybe I just saw his best games last year.....Is it just me? The Sneddon offensive curse???
You nailed it on the head! Especially the Friday game it was chip up off the glass out of the zone all night long and hope for a lucky bounce for one of our offensive players to get possession. You could see the difference between UNH (and I think this is slightly below their usual high skill high power offense teams) they pass or carry out of the zone much better and have much more passing and possession in the offensive end. We have one or two passes at best or are pushed into the corners where we have an ineffective cycle that doesn't create anything. Not sure how much is coaching and how much is just the plain old skill level of our players. Considering it has been this way pretty much all during Sneddon's tenure some of it has to fall on coaching.
On a positive note I do think Saturday they did do more possession and control and carry through the neutral zone and the top line had some good possessions and passing in the offensive end and should have had a couple more goals. McCarthy and Fallon are by far the top players on the team. Reynolds has lost something from last year or maybe I just saw his best games last year.....Is it just me? The Sneddon offensive curse???
Re: Vermont Hockey: Taking No Prisoners In 2012-2013
Reynolds is to up and down, one game he is great and the next he avoids contact and gets dominated on the boards while McCarthy and Fallon bring it
every game, even this weekend while Fallon was obvoiusly hurt to the point he wasnt taking faceoffs at the end of both games he still was throwing his
body around to make plays. Sure Reynolds is smaller but that doesnt excuse the effort only some of the results.
You nailed it on the head! Especially the Friday game it was chip up off the glass out of the zone all night long and hope for a lucky bounce for one of our offensive players to get possession. You could see the difference between UNH (and I think this is slightly below their usual high skill high power offense teams) they pass or carry out of the zone much better and have much more passing and possession in the offensive end. We have one or two passes at best or are pushed into the corners where we have an ineffective cycle that doesn't create anything. Not sure how much is coaching and how much is just the plain old skill level of our players. Considering it has been this way pretty much all during Sneddon's tenure some of it has to fall on coaching.
On a positive note I do think Saturday they did do more possession and control and carry through the neutral zone and the top line had some good possessions and passing in the offensive end and should have had a couple more goals. McCarthy and Fallon are by far the top players on the team. Reynolds has lost something from last year or maybe I just saw his best games last year.....Is it just me? The Sneddon offensive curse???
Reynolds is to up and down, one game he is great and the next he avoids contact and gets dominated on the boards while McCarthy and Fallon bring it
every game, even this weekend while Fallon was obvoiusly hurt to the point he wasnt taking faceoffs at the end of both games he still was throwing his
body around to make plays. Sure Reynolds is smaller but that doesnt excuse the effort only some of the results.
Re: Vermont Hockey: Taking No Prisoners In 2012-2013
How do you know that BCHL is better than AJHL? For the last several years there has been as many AJ teams in the top 20 in Canada as BC. If you have never watched any of the top teams in either league you have no basis to form your opinion. The biggest difference is the amount of US players in BC. Most show up in BC with scholarships or already drafted and are pressured to play in BC to get more experience. Both leagues are very good and the skill level is very high. saying that AJHL players are second tier is very degrading to those players, most of the players that have come to US schools are top teir players in either league
How do you know that BCHL is better than AJHL? For the last several years there has been as many AJ teams in the top 20 in Canada as BC. If you have never watched any of the top teams in either league you have no basis to form your opinion. The biggest difference is the amount of US players in BC. Most show up in BC with scholarships or already drafted and are pressured to play in BC to get more experience. Both leagues are very good and the skill level is very high. saying that AJHL players are second tier is very degrading to those players, most of the players that have come to US schools are top teir players in either league