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Re: Vermont Hockey: Taking No Prisoners In 2012-2013
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Vermont Hockey: Taking No Prisoners In 2012-2013
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UVM Cat in Texas
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Re: Vermont Hockey: Taking No Prisoners In 2012-2013
Regarding your other points, I think we clearly need a new arena if we hope to compete with top teams year in and year out. But, until that happens, there's no reason we shouldn't at least be competitive in HE. We have the talent to be a 5th or 6th place team, or better in years when everything comes together. I think Sneddon, for whatever reason, has lost his way as a coach. Like recent versions, this team is almost completely incapable of scoring goals and has no clue how to win. These things are on Sneddon.
Not sure what you mean by this. Who thought this was going to help us?It seems to me that too many people here thought that the loss of Stalberg and the no show of a top recruit was going to help us climb the league.
Regarding your other points, I think we clearly need a new arena if we hope to compete with top teams year in and year out. But, until that happens, there's no reason we shouldn't at least be competitive in HE. We have the talent to be a 5th or 6th place team, or better in years when everything comes together. I think Sneddon, for whatever reason, has lost his way as a coach. Like recent versions, this team is almost completely incapable of scoring goals and has no clue how to win. These things are on Sneddon.
jcarter7669
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Re: Vermont Hockey: Taking No Prisoners In 2012-2013
I don't think anyone thought the loss of Stalberg and Girgenson was going to help, personally I thought Madore graduating was going to help after having such a tough year. I also had high hopes the mentality was going to change and we would go back to out working teams. That to a large part has happened and UVM has outplayed there opponents more frequently then not. There just hasn't been much in the way of scoring, and that is killing this team along with some untimely soft goals.
As for a new arena, that IMO isn't much of a savior. UVM certainly needs a new rink, there's no denying that... but I think that's a marginal boost in recruiting. The boost the team needs is year over year performance. Let's face it, if BC played in the Gutt they wouldn't be any worse off in recruiting. Will it help, sure it will help a little for a while, but what really needs to happen is UVM showing they have a shot every year to make the NCAA tourney.
It seems to me that too many people here thought that the loss of Stalberg and the no show of a top recruit was going to help
us climb the league. We have freshmen in goal and lost 2 of our better forwards for most of the year.
Penn State is not a D3 team and had 19000 people backing them, that game was huge for the future of the program and it meant
everything to PS. But you see here the biggest problem UVM is facing...it needs a new rink.
Gutterson was great for the ECAC but to get the top recruits you cant always start a step behind the other schools. Heck Penn State
is only in its first year and they are ahead of us in getting a new building.
Is Sneddon the answer I dont know. But as long as UVM plays in the Gut we will only see those good team runs once in a while like
we have had. And those come because we strike gold with players other big schools miss(St Louis/Stalberg etc)
I don't think anyone thought the loss of Stalberg and Girgenson was going to help, personally I thought Madore graduating was going to help after having such a tough year. I also had high hopes the mentality was going to change and we would go back to out working teams. That to a large part has happened and UVM has outplayed there opponents more frequently then not. There just hasn't been much in the way of scoring, and that is killing this team along with some untimely soft goals.
As for a new arena, that IMO isn't much of a savior. UVM certainly needs a new rink, there's no denying that... but I think that's a marginal boost in recruiting. The boost the team needs is year over year performance. Let's face it, if BC played in the Gutt they wouldn't be any worse off in recruiting. Will it help, sure it will help a little for a while, but what really needs to happen is UVM showing they have a shot every year to make the NCAA tourney.
Nick Papagiorgio
Holding court
Re: Vermont Hockey: Taking No Prisoners In 2012-2013
Just picking out some things to comment on...
Well put.
It really is a remarkable fall for Sneddon. Not long ago we were wondering if Harvard might can Donato and go after Sneddon. 2009 seems to be the high water mark for his career.
If your team can't get up for a game in an NHL arena with 19K attendance, whether they are rooting for you or not, that points to bigger problems.
I think you're likely in this scenario even with a new rink. With Notre Dame coming in, UVM is going to be bumped one spot lower. No new rink (short of an Engelstad type project) will help UVM compete with BC, Notre Dame, or BU - they will still have every possible advantage. It would be tough to compete with UNH even. So we're talking 5th place at best. Without the tournament expanding, that's going to be tough to even snag an NCAA bid. So UVM will be there with the very once-in-a-while run just like we have seen with Umass (HE finals/NCAA win over Clarkson), Merrimack (HE Finals/ NCAA bid), Northeastern (HE semis/NCAA bid) in various points in the last decade in addition to the 2009 run for UVM.
It is what it is. There's a natural pecking order with gravitational pull that is very hard to overcome.
Just picking out some things to comment on...
I think Sneddon, for whatever reason, has lost his way as a coach.
Well put.
It really is a remarkable fall for Sneddon. Not long ago we were wondering if Harvard might can Donato and go after Sneddon. 2009 seems to be the high water mark for his career.
Penn State is not a D3 team and had 19000 people backing them, that game was huge for the future of the program and it meant
everything to PS.
If your team can't get up for a game in an NHL arena with 19K attendance, whether they are rooting for you or not, that points to bigger problems.
But as long as UVM plays in the Gut we will only see those good team runs once in a while like
we have had. And those come because we strike gold with players other big schools miss(St Louis/Stalberg etc)
I think you're likely in this scenario even with a new rink. With Notre Dame coming in, UVM is going to be bumped one spot lower. No new rink (short of an Engelstad type project) will help UVM compete with BC, Notre Dame, or BU - they will still have every possible advantage. It would be tough to compete with UNH even. So we're talking 5th place at best. Without the tournament expanding, that's going to be tough to even snag an NCAA bid. So UVM will be there with the very once-in-a-while run just like we have seen with Umass (HE finals/NCAA win over Clarkson), Merrimack (HE Finals/ NCAA bid), Northeastern (HE semis/NCAA bid) in various points in the last decade in addition to the 2009 run for UVM.
It is what it is. There's a natural pecking order with gravitational pull that is very hard to overcome.
Nick Papagiorgio
Holding court
Re: Vermont Hockey: Taking No Prisoners In 2012-2013
If you're having trouble answering this question, it's because losing to Penn State at this point in time IS embarrassing.
Why is it that the fans of every team Penn State has beaten this year call it an embarrassing loss?
If you're having trouble answering this question, it's because losing to Penn State at this point in time IS embarrassing.
Re: Vermont Hockey: Taking No Prisoners In 2012-2013
Just picking out some things to comment on...
Did somebody ask?
He lost his way when he took a left out of the parking lot of Union College.
Girgenson has a blazing 9 pts in 31 games with Rochester. Are you having fun Zemgus?
A brand new arena with all the amenities is like crack to a potential teenage recruit.
Just picking out some things to comment on...
Just picking out some things to comment on....
Did somebody ask?
I think Sneddon, for whatever reason, has lost his way as a coach.
He lost his way when he took a left out of the parking lot of Union College.
I don't think anyone thought the loss of Stalberg and Girgenson was going to help,
As for a new arena, that IMO isn't much of a savior. UVM certainly needs a new rink, there's no denying that... but I think that's a marginal boost in recruiting.
Girgenson has a blazing 9 pts in 31 games with Rochester. Are you having fun Zemgus?
A brand new arena with all the amenities is like crack to a potential teenage recruit.
Re: Vermont Hockey: Taking No Prisoners In 2012-2013
I was wondering when you would get board and have to come and annoy us again.....whats the matter this years team not exciting you enough.
i quess winning isnt everything.
If you're having trouble answering this question, it's because losing to Penn State at this point in time IS embarrassing.
I was wondering when you would get board and have to come and annoy us again.....whats the matter this years team not exciting you enough.
i quess winning isnt everything.
UVM Cat in Texas
Now UVM Cat in Georgia
Re: Vermont Hockey: Taking No Prisoners In 2012-2013
I don't think we can turn things around without a new coach or arena, preferably both. Although I don't see either happening soon, a new coach is the more immediate need and will have a bigger impact. We shall see.
Sadly, I think you're correct. In fact, that gravitational pull will keep tugging on a team that has seemingly overcome it (see Maine). With a real solid showing when we entered the league, and then our back to back tourney appearances including a trip to the Frozen Four, I was beginning to think we were getting there, or at least on the right track. Of course, the last couple of seasons and this one have proven otherwise and, quite frankly, have been a real kick in the nuts. I wish I didn't care so much, but I do.I think you're likely in this scenario even with a new rink. With Notre Dame coming in, UVM is going to be bumped one spot lower. No new rink (short of an Engelstad type project) will help UVM compete with BC, Notre Dame, or BU - they will still have every possible advantage. It would be tough to compete with UNH even. So we're talking 5th place at best. Without the tournament expanding, that's going to be tough to even snag an NCAA bid. So UVM will be there with the very once-in-a-while run just like we have seen with Umass (HE finals/NCAA win over Clarkson), Merrimack (HE Finals/ NCAA bid), Northeastern (HE semis/NCAA bid) in various points in the last decade in addition to the 2009 run for UVM.
It is what it is. There's a natural pecking order with gravitational pull that is very hard to overcome.
I don't think we can turn things around without a new coach or arena, preferably both. Although I don't see either happening soon, a new coach is the more immediate need and will have a bigger impact. We shall see.
Re: Vermont Hockey: Taking No Prisoners In 2012-2013
Yes every category getting worse as the year goes on except penalty minutes: http://collegehockeyinc.com/stats/natteam13.php
Hoffman is really the only thing that changed. Oh, they have played the BU decommit on the point on the Power Play.
Coach Sneddon W. L. T. Pct
Career Totals: 192 -266 -69 .430
Shouldn't be too difficult to figure out what the problem is...
Yes every category getting worse as the year goes on except penalty minutes: http://collegehockeyinc.com/stats/natteam13.php
Hoffman is really the only thing that changed. Oh, they have played the BU decommit on the point on the Power Play.
Re: Vermont Hockey: Taking No Prisoners In 2012-2013
Why don’t we play Faust? Really, not even in a non league game? It’s not like we are winning with Hoffmann in the net. 22 Straight games in the net with a record of 6 – 12 – 4, and the announcers say it’s not a surprise? Give Faust a few games and see what he can do. Let him have a chance to get in a rhythm, and not just putting him in cold in a 2nd and a 3rd period situation, only in a mop up roll. What kind of message is the coaching staff sending him? How do you think his confidence is about now?
Faust played 51 games and 3,000 minutes last year in the BCHL, with a .913 save percentage with 1,499 saves. This kid saw a lot of rubber, was one of the best goalies in the BCHL, and from what I read was MVP of his team, and finished in the top 10 of the BCHL.
People talk about a recruit coming in next year, yet they have not even given Faust a game? If Michael Santaguida sees what is going on here, he might want to reconsider. It seems like the staff is content with one goalie, and not having a 2nd goalie with any game experience or a 3rd for that matter. And with the team’s current record...... I don’t get it.
Why don’t we play Faust? Really, not even in a non league game? It’s not like we are winning with Hoffmann in the net. 22 Straight games in the net with a record of 6 – 12 – 4, and the announcers say it’s not a surprise? Give Faust a few games and see what he can do. Let him have a chance to get in a rhythm, and not just putting him in cold in a 2nd and a 3rd period situation, only in a mop up roll. What kind of message is the coaching staff sending him? How do you think his confidence is about now?
Faust played 51 games and 3,000 minutes last year in the BCHL, with a .913 save percentage with 1,499 saves. This kid saw a lot of rubber, was one of the best goalies in the BCHL, and from what I read was MVP of his team, and finished in the top 10 of the BCHL.
People talk about a recruit coming in next year, yet they have not even given Faust a game? If Michael Santaguida sees what is going on here, he might want to reconsider. It seems like the staff is content with one goalie, and not having a 2nd goalie with any game experience or a 3rd for that matter. And with the team’s current record...... I don’t get it.
jcarter7669
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Re: Vermont Hockey: Taking No Prisoners In 2012-2013
I agree. Give him a shot. If I remember correctly in the '04-'05 season Travis Russel started the season on a rocky note before a freshman goaltender named Joe Fallon got a shot to right the ship. Fallon didn't start immediately, wasn't the chosen #1 goalie... seems Faust deserves a shot to show what he can do.
Why don’t we play Faust? Really, not even in a non league game? It’s not like we are winning with Hoffmann in the net.
I agree. Give him a shot. If I remember correctly in the '04-'05 season Travis Russel started the season on a rocky note before a freshman goaltender named Joe Fallon got a shot to right the ship. Fallon didn't start immediately, wasn't the chosen #1 goalie... seems Faust deserves a shot to show what he can do.
192-267-69
Please put us out of this misery. John come back. Please
forsberg21
USA GOLD 2010
192-267-69
Phil Housley is coaching a high school team and Mr. 192-267-69 is coaching at UVM? He is a HOF and just won Gold at WJ. I know other circumstances have Housley where he is but I can dream...
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UVM Cat in Texas
Now UVM Cat in Georgia
Re: Vermont Hockey: Taking No Prisoners In 2012-2013
I've been saying this same thing for a while and am baffled by Sneddon's unconditional devotion to Hoffman. I thought Faust should have been given the start against Penn State, a largely meaningless non-conference game. Hoffman, while good at times, could certainly benefit from a rest, and isn't Sneddon the least bit curious to see what Faust can do under game conditions? In addition to the stats about Faust that you cited, he also apparently worked out with LA Kings players and other NHL'ers in pick-up games last summer. The guy has something going for him, lets see what that is. Give him the start tonight against UMass--we have NOTHING to lose.Why don’t we play Faust? Really, not even in a non league game?
Re: Vermont Hockey: Taking No Prisoners In 2012-2013
I found a cheap hotel in Burlington for the night, so I'm heading up to the game. I've never been before. Anything I should check out after the game?
Also, my ticket is right by the student section (section 14). I've been advised by a friend that wearing a UMass jersey is a bad idea at the Gut. I know this sounds really hypocritical coming from a UMass fan, but should I leave it at home or will I be fine? I don't mind if people verbally harass me. In fact, I kind of enjoy that, sick as it sounds. I don't want to get into a fight though.
Lastly, it seemed watching the feed that the rink wasn't to capacity last night. Also, section 14 looks like it probably has a terrible view. How strict is the Gut about where you sit? If I find an empty seat, can I take it, or will they have staff checking my ticket?
Thanks in advance.
I found a cheap hotel in Burlington for the night, so I'm heading up to the game. I've never been before. Anything I should check out after the game?
Also, my ticket is right by the student section (section 14). I've been advised by a friend that wearing a UMass jersey is a bad idea at the Gut. I know this sounds really hypocritical coming from a UMass fan, but should I leave it at home or will I be fine? I don't mind if people verbally harass me. In fact, I kind of enjoy that, sick as it sounds. I don't want to get into a fight though.
Lastly, it seemed watching the feed that the rink wasn't to capacity last night. Also, section 14 looks like it probably has a terrible view. How strict is the Gut about where you sit? If I find an empty seat, can I take it, or will they have staff checking my ticket?
Thanks in advance.
Re: Vermont Hockey: Taking No Prisoners In 2012-2013
Vermont picked up a couple of commitments yesterday both for 2013 I believe, Chris Mustoby, LD from Brooks (AJHL). Born 2/28/92 in Alberta, he has a 5-18-23 in 33 games.
Also, RW Keith Irwin who plays for Green Bay (USHL) will be coming in, born 7/9/93 from Hinckley, OH. He's played 35 games, 15-12-27.
Vermont picked up a couple of commitments yesterday both for 2013 I believe, Chris Mustoby, LD from Brooks (AJHL). Born 2/28/92 in Alberta, he has a 5-18-23 in 33 games.
Also, RW Keith Irwin who plays for Green Bay (USHL) will be coming in, born 7/9/93 from Hinckley, OH. He's played 35 games, 15-12-27.
Re: Vermont Hockey: Taking No Prisoners In 2012-2013
Oh my. Did a google search on Irwin. Here is what I found:
http://www.kcci.com/Hockey-Players-...Game/-/9357770/10378312/-/ip2uqk/-/index.html
http://whotv.com/2012/03/22/hockey-fight-two-buccaneers-accused-of-attacking-spectators/
Looks like he might have been committed to Ohio State and lost his scholarship over this incident.
Vermont picked up a couple of commitments yesterday both for 2013 I believe, Chris Mustoby, LD from Brooks (AJHL). Born 2/28/92 in Alberta, he has a 5-18-23 in 33 games.
Also, RW Keith Irwin who plays for Green Bay (USHL) will be coming in, born 7/9/93 from Hinckley, OH. He's played 35 games, 15-12-27.
Oh my. Did a google search on Irwin. Here is what I found:
http://www.kcci.com/Hockey-Players-...Game/-/9357770/10378312/-/ip2uqk/-/index.html
http://whotv.com/2012/03/22/hockey-fight-two-buccaneers-accused-of-attacking-spectators/
Looks like he might have been committed to Ohio State and lost his scholarship over this incident.
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