Yes anything but a sweep next weekend is game over for this team this year. Playing not to lose is not working.So begins our free fall through the HE standings. Tied for the last playoff spot with Northeastern and everyone having one or two games in hand on us. With the killer final 3 weeks of our season, more likely than not, we're gonna be left out in the cold again come playoff time. I could really care less about the game tonight. I predict we'll win and then hear stuff from Sneddon like "We need to play with that intensity every week" or "If we carry that over to HE opponents, we'll be okay." Never mind that you're playing a freakin glorified club team! (No disrespect to PSU, you'll be better than us shortly). In case you hadn't noticed, I'm a wee bit discouraged.
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Vermont Hockey: Taking No Prisoners In 2012-2013
- Thread starter UVM Cat in Texas
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NCAAfan500
Cumcannon
Re: Vermont Hockey: Taking No Prisoners In 2012-2013
Appears they already are.
Appears they already are.
Embarrassing loss for the cats. I am at a loss. Something has to change.
Still in State College
New member
Re: Vermont Hockey: Taking No Prisoners In 2012-2013
You for all the fans that claim they are embarrassed that they lost to PSU take a step back and see that PSU is not a bad team.
They lack a little blue line depth and they aren't overly gifted offensively. They are tenacious. Godowsky has a team that plays very hard. They forecheck and throw pucks at the net. You couple that with decent and improving goaltending and that puts in every game with a chance to win.
You for all the fans that claim they are embarrassed that they lost to PSU take a step back and see that PSU is not a bad team.
They lack a little blue line depth and they aren't overly gifted offensively. They are tenacious. Godowsky has a team that plays very hard. They forecheck and throw pucks at the net. You couple that with decent and improving goaltending and that puts in every game with a chance to win.
UVM Cat in Texas
Now UVM Cat in Georgia
Re: Vermont Hockey: Taking No Prisoners In 2012-2013
I didn't see the game or listen to it, but you guys clearly deserved to win. Godowsky does seem like a good coach, which can make all the difference. Good win for your program, but I wouldn't get too jacked up, as we're truly a pretty lousy team.
jcarter7669
Registered User
Re: Vermont Hockey: Taking No Prisoners In 2012-2013
Me neither, ComcastSports apparently decide re-running the bullls-celtics squeaky ball games was better entertainment then the UVM game.
Good call Comcast, thanks for sparing me the pain of watching...
Me neither, ComcastSports apparently decide re-running the bullls-celtics squeaky ball games was better entertainment then the UVM game.
Good call Comcast, thanks for sparing me the pain of watching...
Still in State College
New member
Re: Vermont Hockey: Taking No Prisoners In 2012-2013
Not jacked up at all just stating that PSU isn't a walk over that opposing fans should look at as an embarrassing loss.
Not jacked up at all just stating that PSU isn't a walk over that opposing fans should look at as an embarrassing loss.
UVM Cat in Texas
Now UVM Cat in Georgia
Re: Vermont Hockey: Taking No Prisoners In 2012-2013
Players change, but the one thing that's remained the same in the continuing debacle that is UVM hockey, is Sneddon. Add the bizarre things that have happened with our program in addition to the losing (players being dismissed, players leaving, the coach and university being sued, etc.) and it's clear in my mind that Sneddon's gotta go. I don't wish him any ill will--he seems like a nice enough guy and can probably get his coaching mojo back somewhere else, but sometimes change just for the sake of change is a good thing. Look how it helped Lowell by switching from McDonald to Bazin. Sneddon's gotta go, and the sooner the better!
That something is Sneddon. He's gotta go! Thus far, I've been willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, but it's now crystal clear that he's unable to turn things around. Our recruiting has not been bad and we do have talented players. Talent wise, I think we match up with all but the elite teams in HE (i.e., BC, BU, UNH). Are we really less talented than teams like Lowell, Amherst, Merrimack, Providence? With all due respect to those teams, I don't think so. Almost every other team in college hockey, even the bad ones, seem able to at least score goals and have some semblance of offensive productivity. For us, it's a problem year after year, after year, after year. And how can the team be so utterly unprepared to compete against a team like Penn State? A team that's in their first year of existence? I don't mind losing games so much--it's a long season and losses are going to happen--but at least show up prepared to play hockey!
Players change, but the one thing that's remained the same in the continuing debacle that is UVM hockey, is Sneddon. Add the bizarre things that have happened with our program in addition to the losing (players being dismissed, players leaving, the coach and university being sued, etc.) and it's clear in my mind that Sneddon's gotta go. I don't wish him any ill will--he seems like a nice enough guy and can probably get his coaching mojo back somewhere else, but sometimes change just for the sake of change is a good thing. Look how it helped Lowell by switching from McDonald to Bazin. Sneddon's gotta go, and the sooner the better!
UVM Cat in Texas
Now UVM Cat in Georgia
Re: Vermont Hockey: Taking No Prisoners In 2012-2013
I clearly didn't think it was going to be a walkover, especially how we've been playing, but it is an embarrassing loss. The fact that you guys are in your first season makes it embarrassing. There's just no way around that. Totally embarrassing.
my biggest complaint is that other teams get better during the season and we don't. I think the staff has lost touch, played favorites, held kids to different standards and as a result don't play as a team. The ultra focus on defense and crazy detailed metrics such as the hits he is always talking about have taken away risk taking and creativity and as a result there is no offense. Look at the stats they don't lie.
Re: Vermont Hockey: Taking No Prisoners In 2012-2013
Let me get this out of the way first....I am a fan of UNH and Hockey East. Sneddon is NOT the solution for your program. While UVM had a couple of good seasons it is clear he cannot generate a consistent competitive team. It is about this time of the season when you usually lose a key member due to dismissal or resignation. For a while I thought maybe it was a Sneddon tactic to motivate/scare the rest of the team into compliance.
I don't think Vermont is significantly challenged by a lack of talent, the issue seems to be they can't play as a team. Either because of fear of making a mistake or lack of hockey instinct they seem incapable of generating much in the way of an offensive threat in 5X5 or powerplay situations.
That said I think they can win on any given night just not consistently until they "learn to win" and I don't think Kevin Sneddon is going to deliver that lesson.
Let me get this out of the way first....I am a fan of UNH and Hockey East. Sneddon is NOT the solution for your program. While UVM had a couple of good seasons it is clear he cannot generate a consistent competitive team. It is about this time of the season when you usually lose a key member due to dismissal or resignation. For a while I thought maybe it was a Sneddon tactic to motivate/scare the rest of the team into compliance.
I don't think Vermont is significantly challenged by a lack of talent, the issue seems to be they can't play as a team. Either because of fear of making a mistake or lack of hockey instinct they seem incapable of generating much in the way of an offensive threat in 5X5 or powerplay situations.
That said I think they can win on any given night just not consistently until they "learn to win" and I don't think Kevin Sneddon is going to deliver that lesson.
jcarter7669
Registered User
Re: Vermont Hockey: Taking No Prisoners In 2012-2013
I am, unfortunately, in agreement with this. I have always liked and tried to put continued faith in Sneddon. However, it is clear that this team has settled into a several season funk...and I tend to agree that someone else is needed to bring them out of it.
I am, unfortunately, in agreement with this. I have always liked and tried to put continued faith in Sneddon. However, it is clear that this team has settled into a several season funk...and I tend to agree that someone else is needed to bring them out of it.
Re: Vermont Hockey: Taking No Prisoners In 2012-2013
Why is it that the fans of every team Penn State has beaten this year call it an embarrassing loss? I've said it on threads for RIT, Air Force, tOSU and even Union (where we lost 2 but played well) that perhaps this Nittany Lions team is not as bad and inexperienced as everyone thinks they are. Yeah, they lack true varsity leadership, and they have had some clunkers in this inaugural season, but they do have guys that can flat-out play the game.
Why is it that the fans of every team Penn State has beaten this year call it an embarrassing loss? I've said it on threads for RIT, Air Force, tOSU and even Union (where we lost 2 but played well) that perhaps this Nittany Lions team is not as bad and inexperienced as everyone thinks they are. Yeah, they lack true varsity leadership, and they have had some clunkers in this inaugural season, but they do have guys that can flat-out play the game.
jcarter7669
Registered User
Re: Vermont Hockey: Taking No Prisoners In 2012-2013
Try to figure it out, just give it a try and I'm sure you can figure it out.
Try to figure it out, just give it a try and I'm sure you can figure it out.
jcarter7669
Registered User
Re: Vermont Hockey: Taking No Prisoners In 2012-2013
Well look at it this everyone, things can't really get any worse...
3 wins all of last season and a 10th place finish followed by another year of sliding to the bottom of the heap with a loss to PSU as the icing on the cake. Lets face it, if UVM doesn't win another game all year its no worse then it is right now. Season ticket holders are still getting hosed, the PP and PK can't get any worse, the offense can't get an weaker, etc.
It's all up from here...
Well look at it this everyone, things can't really get any worse...
3 wins all of last season and a 10th place finish followed by another year of sliding to the bottom of the heap with a loss to PSU as the icing on the cake. Lets face it, if UVM doesn't win another game all year its no worse then it is right now. Season ticket holders are still getting hosed, the PP and PK can't get any worse, the offense can't get an weaker, etc.
It's all up from here...
pokecheckguy
New member
Re: Vermont Hockey: Taking No Prisoners In 2012-2013
That first part sounds like Kevin Sneddon rhetoric which I don't know about you, I'm pretty sick of. At least you got the second part right: we are getting hosed having to watch this crap. At least I don't feel alone anymore glad others are seeing the light. Think the 3rd part about it all being up is wrong too could see UVM in the basement for a long time with play like this.
That first part sounds like Kevin Sneddon rhetoric which I don't know about you, I'm pretty sick of. At least you got the second part right: we are getting hosed having to watch this crap. At least I don't feel alone anymore glad others are seeing the light. Think the 3rd part about it all being up is wrong too could see UVM in the basement for a long time with play like this.
atleasturbetterthanmaine
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Re: Vermont Hockey: Taking No Prisoners In 2012-2013
atleasturbetterthanmaine
atleasturbetterthanmaine
Re: Vermont Hockey: Taking No Prisoners In 2012-2013
Probably the same reason every team is aggravated at losing to RIT... "we're not suppose to lose to them".
Probably the same reason every team is aggravated at losing to RIT... "we're not suppose to lose to them".
Re: Vermont Hockey: Taking No Prisoners In 2012-2013
It seems to me that too many people here thought that the loss of Stalberg and the no show of a top recruit was going to help
us climb the league. We have freshmen in goal and lost 2 of our better forwards for most of the year.
Penn State is not a D3 team and had 19000 people backing them, that game was huge for the future of the program and it meant
everything to PS. But you see here the biggest problem UVM is facing...it needs a new rink.
Gutterson was great for the ECAC but to get the top recruits you cant always start a step behind the other schools. Heck Penn State
is only in its first year and they are ahead of us in getting a new building.
Is Sneddon the answer I dont know. But as long as UVM plays in the Gut we will only see those good team runs once in a while like
we have had. And those come because we strike gold with players other big schools miss(St Louis/Stalberg etc)
It seems to me that too many people here thought that the loss of Stalberg and the no show of a top recruit was going to help
us climb the league. We have freshmen in goal and lost 2 of our better forwards for most of the year.
Penn State is not a D3 team and had 19000 people backing them, that game was huge for the future of the program and it meant
everything to PS. But you see here the biggest problem UVM is facing...it needs a new rink.
Gutterson was great for the ECAC but to get the top recruits you cant always start a step behind the other schools. Heck Penn State
is only in its first year and they are ahead of us in getting a new building.
Is Sneddon the answer I dont know. But as long as UVM plays in the Gut we will only see those good team runs once in a while like
we have had. And those come because we strike gold with players other big schools miss(St Louis/Stalberg etc)