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USCHO-3 Fantasy College Hockey League, 2012-2013 Season
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Fighting Sioux 23
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Re: USCHO-3 Fantasy College Hockey League, 2012-2013 Season
Perhaps I missed this in the Rules section on the site (just glanced at it), but are we required to always have 12 active players and 12 bench players? Would one be allowed to bench a starter and have 11 starters and 13 on the bench, or would someone always have to come off the bench to replace the starter?
Thanks.
And BTW, the draft last night was a lot of fun.
Perhaps I missed this in the Rules section on the site (just glanced at it), but are we required to always have 12 active players and 12 bench players? Would one be allowed to bench a starter and have 11 starters and 13 on the bench, or would someone always have to come off the bench to replace the starter?
Thanks.
And BTW, the draft last night was a lot of fun.
Fighting Sioux 23
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Re: USCHO-3 Fantasy College Hockey League, 2012-2013 Season
Joey Benik (SCSU - bigblue_dl) broke his leg in practice this morning, and will be out an indefinite period of time. The break will not require surgery, so I would think that is a good thing. Either way...tough break (no pun intended).
Joey Benik (SCSU - bigblue_dl) broke his leg in practice this morning, and will be out an indefinite period of time. The break will not require surgery, so I would think that is a good thing. Either way...tough break (no pun intended).
Shirtless Guy
Old Dirty Basterd
Re: USCHO-3 Fantasy College Hockey League, 2012-2013 Season
Always need 12 starters, granted, they don't always have to be playing games...but you can not bench a player without replacing him in your starting 12.
Always need 12 starters, granted, they don't always have to be playing games...but you can not bench a player without replacing him in your starting 12.
Fighting Sioux 23
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Re: USCHO-3 Fantasy College Hockey League, 2012-2013 Season
That's what I thought...bummer.
Also, it appears that Nic Kerdiles (Wisconsin - MadisonsMightiestHeroes) has been suspended for the season (pending appeal).
That's what I thought...bummer.
Also, it appears that Nic Kerdiles (Wisconsin - MadisonsMightiestHeroes) has been suspended for the season (pending appeal).
Badgerdude4
Do you believe in MIRACLES... YES!!
Re: USCHO-3 Fantasy College Hockey League, 2012-2013 Season
Yeah, I'm aware. I'm going to stick with him until this weekend. Hopefully that appeal wins.
Yeah, I'm aware. I'm going to stick with him until this weekend. Hopefully that appeal wins.
Shirtless Guy
Old Dirty Basterd
Re: USCHO-3 Fantasy College Hockey League, 2012-2013 Season
Its probably going to take more than a weekend...the NCAA isn't exactly fast.
Badgerdude4
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Re: USCHO-3 Fantasy College Hockey League, 2012-2013 Season
Kerdiles is almost certainly going to bolt to the WHL if it's not appealed quickly. I've heard the deadline for him is Thursday.
Kerdiles is almost certainly going to bolt to the WHL if it's not appealed quickly. I've heard the deadline for him is Thursday.
FiveHole12
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Re: USCHO-3 Fantasy College Hockey League, 2012-2013 Season
Curious as to why you wouldn't want 12 players playing for you each night?
bigblue_dl
Armed
Re: USCHO-3 Fantasy College Hockey League, 2012-2013 Season
Well, eff me sideways. That sucks. I guess he's the first one I'll drop.
Fighting Sioux 23
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Re: USCHO-3 Fantasy College Hockey League, 2012-2013 Season
I would like to have the option of not starting a goalie. It is purely hypothetical, but I can envision a scenario when say my top two goalies are playing each other, and my bottom two goalies are playing very good teams where they will likely lose. In that scenario, I would like to bench three goalies and play the one I think has the best chance of winning.
It really doesn't apply to the skaters, as they won't ever get you negative points. However, you could have a 6-5 game between your top two goalies (assuming you don't start your backups because they are playing very strong competition as well), and you could wind up with -9 points (-10 for each goalie allowing 5 goals, -1 for the loss, and +2 for the win). Sometimes taking the 0 is better than risking the negative.
Basically, I would like to have the option of not having to start a goalie. I don't know if I would ever use it, but it would be nice.
Also, I know there has been talk of doing a keeper league. If this were to be done, I would strongly suggest adding an IR slot. Of course, I was hoping that there would be an IR slot in the league the way it is (so someone like bigblue could pop Benik there and still be rewarded for his drafting skills), but it is what it is. Beggars cannot be choosers, and it is cool just to have a Fantasy College Hockey website that tracks everything, so I won't complain any more.
I would like to have the option of not starting a goalie. It is purely hypothetical, but I can envision a scenario when say my top two goalies are playing each other, and my bottom two goalies are playing very good teams where they will likely lose. In that scenario, I would like to bench three goalies and play the one I think has the best chance of winning.
It really doesn't apply to the skaters, as they won't ever get you negative points. However, you could have a 6-5 game between your top two goalies (assuming you don't start your backups because they are playing very strong competition as well), and you could wind up with -9 points (-10 for each goalie allowing 5 goals, -1 for the loss, and +2 for the win). Sometimes taking the 0 is better than risking the negative.
Basically, I would like to have the option of not having to start a goalie. I don't know if I would ever use it, but it would be nice.
Also, I know there has been talk of doing a keeper league. If this were to be done, I would strongly suggest adding an IR slot. Of course, I was hoping that there would be an IR slot in the league the way it is (so someone like bigblue could pop Benik there and still be rewarded for his drafting skills), but it is what it is. Beggars cannot be choosers, and it is cool just to have a Fantasy College Hockey website that tracks everything, so I won't complain any more.
bigblue_dl
Armed
Re: USCHO-3 Fantasy College Hockey League, 2012-2013 Season
I entered the roster for the "OpenSlot" if anyone knows of someone that wants to play, but couldn't make a draft, or found out too late about FCH, let me know, and I can transfer that team to them.
Shirtless Guy and I had a conversation after the draft last Friday, and we agreed that our draft was pretty easily the best one we have been a part of, and we have been playing for a few years now. Very few reaches for players, not many picks that were taken either way too early too late, etc. Everyone really seemed to know what was going on, and it really showed. I think we have several very even and balanced teams, so it should be a really competitive season.
I entered the roster for the "OpenSlot" if anyone knows of someone that wants to play, but couldn't make a draft, or found out too late about FCH, let me know, and I can transfer that team to them.
Shirtless Guy and I had a conversation after the draft last Friday, and we agreed that our draft was pretty easily the best one we have been a part of, and we have been playing for a few years now. Very few reaches for players, not many picks that were taken either way too early too late, etc. Everyone really seemed to know what was going on, and it really showed. I think we have several very even and balanced teams, so it should be a really competitive season.
Badgerdude4
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Re: USCHO-3 Fantasy College Hockey League, 2012-2013 Season
Wouldn't that essentially just comprise of bigblue being able to pick him back up after the injury is done? So wouldn't it be easy to say, "if a player gets injured, he is still 'owned' by the team that drafted him, so you may not add him to your roster if you did not draft him." or would it be more complicated than that?
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Wouldn't that essentially just comprise of bigblue being able to pick him back up after the injury is done? So wouldn't it be easy to say, "if a player gets injured, he is still 'owned' by the team that drafted him, so you may not add him to your roster if you did not draft him." or would it be more complicated than that?
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FiveHole12
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Re: USCHO-3 Fantasy College Hockey League, 2012-2013 Season
I agree. It's an honor system and if bigblue wants to reclaim him if he returns, he should get first dibs. Same with any team that loses a player to injury. You can replace him, and once he returns, you can put him back on the roster before his first game back. After that, the player is fair game to all.
FiveHole12
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Re: USCHO-3 Fantasy College Hockey League, 2012-2013 Season
Well... you could always hide a goalie by replacing him with a backup that won't be playing, but you run the risk of losing the goalie to another team.I would like to have the option of not starting a goalie. It is purely hypothetical, but I can envision a scenario when say my top two goalies are playing each other, and my bottom two goalies are playing very good teams where they will likely lose. In that scenario, I would like to bench three goalies and play the one I think has the best chance of winning.
It really doesn't apply to the skaters, as they won't ever get you negative points. However, you could have a 6-5 game between your top two goalies (assuming you don't start your backups because they are playing very strong competition as well), and you could wind up with -9 points (-10 for each goalie allowing 5 goals, -1 for the loss, and +2 for the win). Sometimes taking the 0 is better than risking the negative.
Basically, I would like to have the option of not having to start a goalie. I don't know if I would ever use it, but it would be nice.
Also, I know there has been talk of doing a keeper league. If this were to be done, I would strongly suggest adding an IR slot. Of course, I was hoping that there would be an IR slot in the league the way it is (so someone like bigblue could pop Benik there and still be rewarded for his drafting skills), but it is what it is. Beggars cannot be choosers, and it is cool just to have a Fantasy College Hockey website that tracks everything, so I won't complain any more.
Fighting Sioux 23
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Re: USCHO-3 Fantasy College Hockey League, 2012-2013 Season
I think you could certainly say that, but it may prove difficult to enforce. Also, you could theoretically have multiple players in the free agent pool that were not actually free agents, and it may prove difficult to determine exactly what players are free agents and what players are on "injured reserve." Moreover, when a player would no longer be on "injured reserve" could potentially be a very difficult issue to determine.
For example, last season Rocco Grimaldi missed time at the beginning of the season, played in a few random games, before sitting out for a few weeks, until he finally was ruled out for the season. Would Rocco have been available as a free agent if his owner failed to pick him up for a game that the owner had no idea that Grimaldi would be playing in until puck drop? Or, would the owner get an amount of time where the player played, but still was on IR. Let's assume that Person A drafted Grimaldi. If we went with option 1 (once the player is going to play, if still on the free agent list then they are a free agent), then Person B could have swooped in, picked up Grimaldi, then had the fortune of stowing Grimaldi away on his IR once Grimaldi was out for the season, and Person B would enjoy the spoils of potentially 4 years of Grimaldi (unlikely, but this is just a hypo). If we went with option 2, how much amount of time would the owner have until the player became a free agent? Would it be 1 day following a game played? What if the player is questionable following that game played? Would it be 1 week following a game played? Successive games played? Successive weeks played?
IMO, the easiest way to deal with this (from a theoretical point of view...I have no idea how difficult it would be to code an IR slot into the website), would be to allow each team a set amount of IR slots where you can place players. Now this has its own problems because the IR slot would require some sort of commissioner to punish people who took advantage of its availability as basically an extra spot on the bench. It could be done in a few different ways: 1) once a player is placed on IR they are unable to be on a regular roster (starter/bench) for the remainder of the season (least commissioner control required), 2) once a player has sat out a predetermined # of weeks, the owner has the option of moving them to the regular roster (moderate commissioner control required), or 3) the commissioner will determine whether or not a player is IR eligible at a predetermined point in time (i.e. Every Monday) each week (heavy commissioner control required). I'm sure there are a variety of other ways that this could be accomplished as well with varying degrees of commissioner control required, up to and including assessing a certain penalty (i.e. 1 point deducted each week for each player on IR).
Obviously, this would be most worthwhile in a Keeper League, but could have its benefits in a single-season league as well. At the end of the day, it is just a suggestion for a potential keeper league. I enjoy the league the way it currently is, but I do think that there could be some improvements.
I think you could certainly say that, but it may prove difficult to enforce. Also, you could theoretically have multiple players in the free agent pool that were not actually free agents, and it may prove difficult to determine exactly what players are free agents and what players are on "injured reserve." Moreover, when a player would no longer be on "injured reserve" could potentially be a very difficult issue to determine.
For example, last season Rocco Grimaldi missed time at the beginning of the season, played in a few random games, before sitting out for a few weeks, until he finally was ruled out for the season. Would Rocco have been available as a free agent if his owner failed to pick him up for a game that the owner had no idea that Grimaldi would be playing in until puck drop? Or, would the owner get an amount of time where the player played, but still was on IR. Let's assume that Person A drafted Grimaldi. If we went with option 1 (once the player is going to play, if still on the free agent list then they are a free agent), then Person B could have swooped in, picked up Grimaldi, then had the fortune of stowing Grimaldi away on his IR once Grimaldi was out for the season, and Person B would enjoy the spoils of potentially 4 years of Grimaldi (unlikely, but this is just a hypo). If we went with option 2, how much amount of time would the owner have until the player became a free agent? Would it be 1 day following a game played? What if the player is questionable following that game played? Would it be 1 week following a game played? Successive games played? Successive weeks played?
IMO, the easiest way to deal with this (from a theoretical point of view...I have no idea how difficult it would be to code an IR slot into the website), would be to allow each team a set amount of IR slots where you can place players. Now this has its own problems because the IR slot would require some sort of commissioner to punish people who took advantage of its availability as basically an extra spot on the bench. It could be done in a few different ways: 1) once a player is placed on IR they are unable to be on a regular roster (starter/bench) for the remainder of the season (least commissioner control required), 2) once a player has sat out a predetermined # of weeks, the owner has the option of moving them to the regular roster (moderate commissioner control required), or 3) the commissioner will determine whether or not a player is IR eligible at a predetermined point in time (i.e. Every Monday) each week (heavy commissioner control required). I'm sure there are a variety of other ways that this could be accomplished as well with varying degrees of commissioner control required, up to and including assessing a certain penalty (i.e. 1 point deducted each week for each player on IR).
Obviously, this would be most worthwhile in a Keeper League, but could have its benefits in a single-season league as well. At the end of the day, it is just a suggestion for a potential keeper league. I enjoy the league the way it currently is, but I do think that there could be some improvements.
Fighting Sioux 23
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Re: USCHO-3 Fantasy College Hockey League, 2012-2013 Season
True, there are ways around it, but at the end of the day I think most of us would rather risk the negative points than getting screwed by losing one of our draft picks. Obviously, I drafted in a specific way to hopefully avoid this specific situation from happening, but it is still an option that I would have liked. Maybe next year...
Well... you could always hide a goalie by replacing him with a backup that won't be playing, but you run the risk of losing the goalie to another team.
True, there are ways around it, but at the end of the day I think most of us would rather risk the negative points than getting screwed by losing one of our draft picks. Obviously, I drafted in a specific way to hopefully avoid this specific situation from happening, but it is still an option that I would have liked. Maybe next year...
bigblue_dl
Armed
Re: USCHO-3 Fantasy College Hockey League, 2012-2013 Season
The hard part about having an IR is that there isn't actually an IR in college hockey, like there would be in the NFL or NHL or MLB. A team can't put a player on the IR and call up a new player from the USHL to replace him on the roster for 4 weeks. There is no way to determine when a player is, and when a player isn't on the "IR", even if there was a slot for the player on the website.
The hard part about having an IR is that there isn't actually an IR in college hockey, like there would be in the NFL or NHL or MLB. A team can't put a player on the IR and call up a new player from the USHL to replace him on the roster for 4 weeks. There is no way to determine when a player is, and when a player isn't on the "IR", even if there was a slot for the player on the website.
Fighting Sioux 23
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Re: USCHO-3 Fantasy College Hockey League, 2012-2013 Season
Agreed. This is why I said that there would have to be some sort of commissioner role in addition to having the IR slot on the website. That being said, it wouldn't have to be all that difficult. The owner of the player could petition the commissioner to place a player on IR. When the commissioner determined that the player was no longer "IR Worthy" he would simply compel the owner to remove the player from IR and the owner would then make the appropriate adjustments to their roster to comply with the league's rules.
Agreed. This is why I said that there would have to be some sort of commissioner role in addition to having the IR slot on the website. That being said, it wouldn't have to be all that difficult. The owner of the player could petition the commissioner to place a player on IR. When the commissioner determined that the player was no longer "IR Worthy" he would simply compel the owner to remove the player from IR and the owner would then make the appropriate adjustments to their roster to comply with the league's rules.
FiveHole12
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Re: USCHO-3 Fantasy College Hockey League, 2012-2013 Season
If I release a player, I didn't get screwed and lose a draft pick... I released a guy from the roster I didn't think was good enough to win, or whom I thought was going to cost me some points. Maybe I screwed myself by picking the player in the first place. The rules can't, and shouldn't, protect anyone from that. JMO.
It's a little bit like real life... gotta take the good with the bad.
At some point, the goalie I think is an absolute lock to get me a W on any given night is gonna be a sieve and cost me some serious points. It happens.
If I release a player, I didn't get screwed and lose a draft pick... I released a guy from the roster I didn't think was good enough to win, or whom I thought was going to cost me some points. Maybe I screwed myself by picking the player in the first place. The rules can't, and shouldn't, protect anyone from that. JMO.
It's a little bit like real life... gotta take the good with the bad.