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US Foreign Policy 2.0: Have you read Kipling, Mr. Tillerson?

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Kepler said:
Again... kinda.

1. Times have changed. Neither Putin nor Dump actually want a stable socialist or capitalist Venezuela. It is in both of their interests for it to be a failed state roiled with unrest, because that creates the type of violence and risk that strongmen use to tighten their grip on power.

2. DOS, DOD and the intel agencies are still run by career pros who know what they are doing. The politicals you've heard of are morons, and perhaps borderline psychopathic (paging John Bolton), but they don't oversee day-to-day ops and they don't really know much beyond their Hoover/RAND BS theses. Add that this administration both reviles and is reviled by competent public servants, and you get a recipe for absolutely nothing being accomplished. You know that whole Deep State thingamabob that keeps Flaggy up at night? Those are the guys that a rogue rightwing faction within our government used to use to murder a foreign leader* and without them they are powerless.

* or an American President
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I hear you and agree on much of what you’re saying. I haven’t fully caught up on my reading of the current state of the agency etc. but will do so soon
 
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solovsfett said:
I hear you and agree on much of what you’re saying. I haven’t fully caught up on my reading of the current state of the agency etc. but will do so soon
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What source to you intend to use?
 
burd said:
What source to you intend to use?
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Anyone not schilling for the agency. So James DiEugenio, Lisa Pease, James Douglass, John Newman, David Talbot etc. the people who have gone to national archives and dove in to released documents,, combed through the records of the agency and fought for release of docs via foia or other lawsuits etc.

There are numerous books you can read about how the cia controls the media/narrative from their inception in 1947 forward. I can cite examples of you’d like.
 
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solovsfett said:
Anyone not schilling for the agency. So James DiEugenio, Lisa Pease, James Douglass, John Newman, David Talbot etc. the people who have gone to national archives and dove in to released documents,, combed through the records of the agency and fought for release of docs via foia or other lawsuits etc.

There are numerous books you can read about how the cia controls the media/narrative from their inception in 1947 forward. I can cite examples of you’d like.
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Books? Sure--a couple.
 
burd said:
Books? Sure--a couple.
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Here are two very good books on this subject:

Finks: How the CIA tricked the world’s best writers by Joel Whitney (great book)
https://www.amazon.com/Finks-C-I-Tricked-Worlds-Writers/dp/1944869131

https://www.amazon.com/Finks-C-I-Tricked-Worlds-Writers/dp/1944869131

The Mighty Wurlitzer by Hugh Wilford (stunning book)
https://www.amazon.com/Mighty-Wurlitzer-How-Played-America/dp/067403256X
https://www.amazon.com/Mighty-Wurlitzer-How-Played-America/dp/067403256X
 
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Kepler said:
I'm surprised Dump doesn't say, "Now, I don't condone terrorists but terrorists who are inspired by me really get the job done. I mean, 50 dead? That's pretty good."
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Oh I bet he said it just not in public ;)
 
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Jared's mideast plan is for the PA to get land from Jordan, who then gets land from SA, who then gets land from Egypt. Yes, that's the same Jordan that kicked the PLO out in the 70s, so this will totally work.
 
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French Rage said:
Jared's mideast plan is for the PA to get land from Jordan, who then gets land from SA, who then gets land from Egypt. Yes, that's the same Jordan that kicked the PLO out in the 70s, so this will totally work.
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Lets not forget put them in refugee camps and murdered them...

Jordanians were way worse to the Palestinians than the Israelis were.
 
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My favorite part of the deal is that Israel doesn’t have to make a single concession. Because of course not.
 
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aparch said:
Saw this a few days ago: Pompeo slaps visa restrictions on international court probing US military.

Which made me wonder why.

Oh.
Double oh.
Triple oh.
And this one is just opinion versus the other ones, but Oh x4.
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My only question was why were you wondering? We did the same BS decades ago when The Hague ruled Reagan's U.S. mining of Nicaraguan harbors was a crime against humanity. Our solution was to simply ignore the ruling. Force majeure, muthaf-cka. The US, at times, has (well, had) a decent human rights record internally, but internationally we're just another scumbag crime family and always have been.

"We're just another country." -- Sex Pistols
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Kepler said:
My only question was why were you wondering? We did the same BS decades ago when The Hague ruled Reagan's U.S. mining of Nicaraguan harbors was a crime against humanity. ...
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I was unaware of that incident. Thank you for the history lesson. :)

I dont recall much of the six and a half years of Reagan I grew up with.
 
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aparch said:
I was unaware of that incident. Thank you for the history lesson. :)

I dont recall much of the six and a half years of Reagan I grew up with.
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Jesus f-ck you were lucky. I had that senile, fatuous gargoyle as President from the ages of 18 to 26. "Welcome to adulthood, kid; here's a cup of hot sh-t -- your country is going to be a global embarrassment for the next 12 years."

On the other hand it taught me to hate the boobocracy with a fury of a thousand suns, so, silver lining.
 
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Kepler said:
Jesus f-ck you were lucky. I had that senile, fatuous gargoyle as President from the ages of 18 to 26. "Welcome to adulthood, kid; here's a cup of hot sh-t -- your country is going to be a global embarrassment for the next 12 years."

On the other hand it taught me to hate the boobocracy with a fury of a thousand suns, so, silver lining.
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But you realize if aparch was 6 1/2 when Reagan left office then he was 18 to 26 when W was President, right? Is that any better?
 
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French Rage said:
But you realize if aparch was 6 1/2 when Reagan left office then he was 18 to 26 when W was President, right? Is that any better?
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Not really. Same dumb smirks and "aww shucks" wit which enamored them to the rubes, same lies about stupid/immoral wars, same lies about deficit spending and tax cuts.

Reagan was probably worse, for being the originator. Bush the Dumber just picked up the torch.

In the end, at least Junior has gotten some comeuppance from the Trumpies, but I'll be d@mned if they don't still love Reagan for some reason. Like romance, you never forget your first POTUS vote, I guess.
 
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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
In the end, at least Junior has gotten some comeuppance from the Trumpies, but I'll be d@mned if they don't still love Reagan for some reason. Like romance, you never forget your first POTUS vote, I guess.
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That’s the thing I just didn’t get. How can they want to have sex with Reagan but revile bush. What you said makes a lot of sense. That and it’s been 40 years of romanticizing him.
 
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Reagan finished as a winner. His VP even was elected. Junior let a black man in the White House.
 
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