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UNLV To DI?

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There are at least three places within five miles of campus they could play. That's without the new strip arena being built now.
 
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During the 1st intermission, we heard over the P.A., "Mercedes to the Champagne Room. Mercedes, Champagne Room."
 
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Zee Kahn lost every ounce of credibility the second he uttered this sentence after this paragraph:

Currently, ASU doesn’t play in any NCAA conference, as their schedule consists of facing off against both NCAA and ACHA teams from across the country, as well as a series of games against the University of Alberta. Though there are teams who compete in NCAA sports without a division, it seems as if the next big growth in college hockey is the addition of a Pac-12 division to the NCAA.

“I think that that’s inevitable, that the Pac-12 will come in,” Khan said in agreement.

That statement is utter nonsense and he has no real basis for making it. You are talking about a minimum of 5 other schools starting programs. What, exactly, would be the impetus for this to happen and where is/are the money and facilities coming from? To say nothing of the Title IX issues this will cause at any and every school, no matter where it is, that is even thinking about this.

Then he goes on to new levels of asinine:

“I think that ASU kind of has a strangle hold (sic) on the Pac-12 as far as pushing them back a little bit. They want to kind of keep the Pac-12 teams away for a couple of years to let ASU have success, truly build their program, and watch them grow before the other teams jump in on it,” explained Khan. “Obviously, TV money has a little to do with that. Pac-12 TV is going to be televising a couple of their games this year as well, so we’ll see how that goes. The next team up is going to probably be a smaller school. We kind of have that perfect fit.”

Smaller school? What the hell does that mean? ASU has the largest enrollment of any public university in the United States. They are ALL smaller schools. There are no small schools in the Pac-12, anyway, if that's what he meant. Stanford has the smallest enrollment of any PAC-12 school and it is nearly 17,000 students. No other school in the entire conference has less than 21,000 students. 6 schools have enrollments north of 35,000.

Further, the notion that what any one hockey program's athletic department did would put some sort of "stranglehold" on what any other school might do is laughable when you look at the facilities wars that are going on in almost every sport at schools all over the nation. If a hockey program is somehow seen as financially possible, or, desirable, financially or otherwise, at any school, anywhere, they are sure not going to care about what their competitors down the street are doing.

Then, he goes on to imply that whether this might or might not happen will be influenced by TV monies from televising Pac-12 hockey games. Ask the Big 10 how that one is going, a conference that contains 4 of the most storied programs in the history of college hockey.

I'm sorry, but this guy is talking out his a**.

I'd be willing to make a bet with this guy and put up anything I own that a Pac-12 hockey conference does not surface in the foreseeable future. Certainly not one composed entirely of Pac-12 schools, anyway and I don't think they'd allow affiliate programs in hockey just like I don't think the Big 10 will ever do it in hockey, either.

As far as UNLV is concerned, if they do go D-1, I don't think Vegas can or is going to support that and an NHL team. Whichever surfaces first (if either) is probably all Vegas is going to see.
 
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As far as UNLV is concerned, if they do go D-1, I don't think Vegas can or is going to support that and an NHL team. Whichever surfaces first (if either) is probably all Vegas is going to see.

Why is that? There's about 2 million residents in Clark County plus 40 million annual visitors. That's a heck of a lot of potential hockey fans.
 
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Why is that? There's about 2 million residents in Clark County plus 40 million annual visitors. That's a heck of a lot of potential hockey fans.

That doesn't mean they're interested in hockey or the college. You could use your same logic to ask why SMU in the Dallas area doesn't have a hockey team. I'll give you there might be some Kings fans heading over (given when I was in Vegas a few months ago, the majority of plates I saw outside of Nevada were California), but are they going to want to watch that college play? For that matter, why don't UCLA or USC have college hockey teams?

Bringing both college AND NHL to a new market is a terrible business idea anyway. Not only does it require an exorbitant amount of capital, but they're going to be competing against each other for business, not to mention also against a fairly rooted bouncyball product.
 
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Why is that? There's about 2 million residents in Clark County plus 40 million annual visitors. That's a heck of a lot of potential hockey fans.

How many of the two million Clark County residents that are able to work, work second shift? Third shift? There is a SIGNIFICANT portion of the Las Vegas population that don't work traditional 8a-to-5p jobs.

XM NHL Network Radio interviewed the former owner of the Las Vegas Wranglers during their final season (when they were still looking for a new venue). When asked why he was successful with the ECHL club, the owner said it was because of his outside the box thinking: Midnight start games, later starts/early day games, theme jersey nights, other "Minor League" themes to draw crowds. When asked if NHL hockey "in the desert" can survive, he openly laughed and said "Not in it's current form. You never want to promote your team to the away team's fans. Never be a team that people only go to, to root for the opponent."

IF the NHL is to succeed in Vegas, they're going to have to find someone with a little outside the box thinking, and the ability to hemorrhage money to get the team established.


As for the topic on hand: UNLV likely would do just fine. I really think we're seeing the end of the "traditional" Division 1, and will soon see Division 2 return.
 
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How many of the two million Clark County residents that are able to work, work second shift? Third shift? There is a SIGNIFICANT portion of the Las Vegas population that don't work traditional 8a-to-5p jobs.

XM NHL Network Radio interviewed the former owner of the Las Vegas Wranglers during their final season (when they were still looking for a new venue). When asked why he was successful with the ECHL club, the owner said it was because of his outside the box thinking: Midnight start games, later starts/early day games, theme jersey nights, other "Minor League" themes to draw crowds. When asked if NHL hockey "in the desert" can survive, he openly laughed and said "Not in it's current form. You never want to promote your team to the away team's fans. Never be a team that people only go to, to root for the opponent."

IF the NHL is to succeed in Vegas, they're going to have to find someone with a little outside the box thinking, and the ability to hemorrhage money to get the team established.


As for the topic on hand: UNLV likely would do just fine. I really think we're seeing the end of the "traditional" Division 1, and will soon see Division 2 return.

NHL to Las Vegas is a horrible idea...
 
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This is going to devastate the Boston College hockey program, a school that's made (illegal) gambling a centerpiece of campus life! ;)

Having said that, I'm not 100% sure the NHL makes the plunge in Vegas. Not a hockey town, good point about attracting away fans to sell tix, and the Arizona experiment hasn't exactly been a rousing success.
 
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While personally I would love this if it happens, doesn't Las Vegas have a pretty high unemployment rate?
 
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That doesn't mean they're interested in hockey or the college. You could use your same logic to ask why SMU in the Dallas area doesn't have a hockey team. I'll give you there might be some Kings fans heading over (given when I was in Vegas a few months ago, the majority of plates I saw outside of Nevada were California), but are they going to want to watch that college play? For that matter, why don't UCLA or USC have college hockey teams?

Unless you assume no other large schools will ever have hockey, your questions make no sense. Presumably places like LA and Dallas would at some point be markets that college hockey would like to expand into as well. A year and a half ago the Phoenix market didn't have didn't have D-1 hockey. I have my doubts about UNLV getting this done, but it would seem to have a much better chance there than say at Idaho State with Pocatello's 50k residents. There's 28k students, 50k alums, and 300k self reported UNLV fans in Vegas. That's not nothing.

As for the topic on hand: UNLV likely would do just fine. I really think we're seeing the end of the "traditional" Division 1, and will soon see Division 2 return.

I think you hit the nail on the head. If there is continuing large school expansion over the next 0-20 years, college hockey as it has been the last 20 years will likely cease to exist. Which, difficult though it may be, will probably actually be better all around. A place like AIC might actually compete for a championship one day.
 
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Unless you assume no other large schools will ever have hockey, your questions make no sense. Presumably places like LA and Dallas would at some point be markets that college hockey would like to expand into as well. A year and a half ago the Phoenix market didn't have didn't have D-1 hockey. I have my doubts about UNLV getting this done, but it would seem to have a much better chance there than say at Idaho State with Pocatello's 50k residents. There's 28k students, 50k alums, and 300k self reported UNLV fans in Vegas. That's not nothing.



I think you hit the nail on the head. If there is continuing large school expansion over the next 0-20 years, college hockey as it has been the last 20 years will likely cease to exist. Which, difficult though it may be, will probably actually be better all around. A place like AIC might actually compete for a championship one day.

Big difference with ASU, and that's the community support that existed for the club hockey team. Does UNLV have that sort of support in place?
 
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Vegas will sell out NHL hockey. Arizona is also a consistent sellout with a properly placed arena. Glendale is a joke and can only attract a fraction of the fan base
 
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Big difference with ASU, and that's the community support that existed for the club hockey team. Does UNLV have that sort of support in place?

I actually have no idea, and as I said I have doubts, but I will say in just a few very short years Wisconsin went from a tiny arena and a handful of fans to leading the nation in attendance for 30+ years in a comparatively small market. Largely due to a few supportive folks and Bob Johnson's charisma and marketing abilities. I seriously doubt it, but maybe Zee Kahn is some kind of wunderkind genius, who knows? Maybe they'll be playing at the "Zee Kahn Rink" in 30 years.

What they do have is 95% or more of the facilities they need, (which ASU still doesn't have) a product to sell, and a ton of people to sell it to. Lots of successful enterprises have started with less.
 
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28,000 students. 2,000,000 in the metro area. Having 3,000 show up for a D-I hockey game isn't insane.

They have an on campus ice arena already, it's probably a little large but it will do. Their startup costs would be a tiny fraction of Arizona State or Penn State's. This doesn't seem nuts to me.
 
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It really isn't too far fetched if they get the money. They have a rink, the Thomas & Mack Center can host hockey. There is a hockey fanbase, the ECHL had a successful team there. Again, they get the money, it could work.

To be fair, I'm sure half the people that stumbled into an ECHL hockey game there were drunk out of their minds and or just wanted some real nice air conditioning.
 
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