University of North Dakota 2014-2015 Season Thread

[Biddco]

Re: University of North Dakota 2014-2015 Season Thread

Wouldn't that be APF?

Nope.

 

[SCSU Euro]

Re: University of North Dakota 2014-2015 Season Thread

Nope.

Ugh, and you're a teacher?!? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qh2sWSVRrmo

 

[Biddco]

Re: University of North Dakota 2014-2015 Season Thread

Ugh, and you're a teacher?!? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qh2sWSVRrmo

I don't know about typos on the internet.

 

[Red Cows]

Re: University of North Dakota 2014-2015 Season Thread

Well, this is interesting:

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-p...ical-of-north-dakota-s-quality-011752215.html

 

[Biddco]

Re: University of North Dakota 2014-2015 Season Thread

Well, this is interesting:

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-p...ical-of-north-dakota-s-quality-011752215.html

That was the article that INCH shared and discussed. He had a bunch of UND fans "discuss" it with him, and well he had enough and went on a fantastic rank that has a lot of truth to it.


As for the stats...I don't know what to think. Baseball Sabrmetrics are a valuable tool in that sport, but Fenwick and Corsi still have a ways to go (for me) to be an important valuation tool. Plus with the single elimination tournament in the NCAA's all it takes is one bad game from UND's goalie and then Lambert is proven correct. In this article he at least used statistics to back up his argument.

 

[Dirty]

Re: University of North Dakota 2014-2015 Season Thread

That was the article that INCH shared and discussed. He had a bunch of UND fans "discuss" it with him, and well he had enough and went on a fantastic rank that has a lot of truth to it.

I like when he called the one fan "You f^ck". With a positive attitude like that it's no wonder INCH was such a successful website!

 

[SJHovey]

Re: University of North Dakota 2014-2015 Season Thread

Well, this is interesting:

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-p...ical-of-north-dakota-s-quality-011752215.html

I didn't really see why UND fans were upset about the article. The title, I suppose. I think the statement that DU, Miami and UMD are all better teams than UND probably got some riled up. I think it's funny that UNO basically got dumped on the scrap heap with SCSU, WMU, and CC, given they've contended all season for the title, have a high PWR and could finish as high as 2nd in the conference.

Personally I thought Lambert's story, while an interesting perspective, fell short. It's one thing to talk about how UND falls behind other teams in certain metrics hockey stats geeks deem important. But he didn't go the next step and explain why that is significant, or even historically why it could be important. I know there have been a lot of articles about puck possession statistics in the NHL, and their correlation to winning, but has anyone done anything similar for NCAA hockey? Are we to just assume the same?

While I don't doubt the significance of the statistics, I think the "one and done" format of the NCAA hockey playoffs minimizes the importance, to some extent, which is why I'd like to see articles discussing the significance of corsi statistics at the NCAA level.

From North Dakota's standpoint it's probably all going to be irrelevant anyway. They were never an offensive juggernaut this year, and the loss of their 1st line center, leading goal scorer, top face off man, and for that matter one of their leading penalty killers, isn't going to help.

 

[Wisko McBadgerton]

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I know there have been a lot of articles about puck possession statistics in the NHL, and their correlation to winning, but has anyone done anything similar for NCAA hockey? Are we to just assume the same?

I don't know if it's been looked at anywhere but my sense of it is that it doesn't work as well for NCAA hockey. Sure, if a team like the goofs has a low corsi, they are probably in deep trouble, but is Michigan State ever going to have a high corsi? The worst NHL'er can generate a (bad) shot attempt and does pretty regularly, so it seems to work out in the NHL but I don't really buy it across the board in NCAA's. It is perhaps very useful relative to a teams own numbers... for example maybe if UND's corsi is above 52% or something, maybe that's meaningful to UND winning this year. Michigan at 52% probably bodes ill for them. But that's just my sense of it, I have nothing to back it up really.

Also as much as I hate Big Mac's ***** for getting in the way of a flutter puck in the last 2 minutes of the NCAA 1st round last year, the rest of him seems a pretty great guy. Just terrible to see him go down at this point in the season. Wish him the very best and speedy recovery.

 

[MplsSioux]

Re: University of North Dakota 2014-2015 Season Thread

That was the article that INCH shared and discussed. He had a bunch of UND fans "discuss" it with him, and well he had enough and went on a fantastic rank that has a lot of truth to it.


As for the stats...I don't know what to think. Baseball Sabrmetrics are a valuable tool in that sport, but Fenwick and Corsi still have a ways to go (for me) to be an important valuation tool. Plus with the single elimination tournament in the NCAA's all it takes is one bad game from UND's goalie and then Lambert is proven correct. In this article he at least used statistics to back up his argument.

He is taking a few bad experiences(probably twitter battles) he had with UND fans and projecting them to the entire fanbase. How is there a lot of truth in his argument?

I noticed many fans asked him legitimate questions throughout his rant, yet he didn't retweet or respond to any of them. I'd be surprised if he has actually engaged UND fans in actual conversation.

I notice people like to paint UND fans with a broad brush yet when they try to actually talk to us(like face-to-face in real life) they are surprised we aren't all like a few moronic twitter bobos. I've had some great hockey conversations with UMD(favorite hockey fans I've met so far), BSU, SCSU, CC fans etc.(notice I didn't add UMN? )

But I suppose that wouldn't fit the narrative that we're all drunk a**holes that Eidelbes prefers to pigeon hole us as.

 

[MplsSioux]

Re: University of North Dakota 2014-2015 Season Thread

I don't know if it's been looked at anywhere but my sense of it is that it doesn't work as well for NCAA hockey. Sure, if a team like the goofs has a low corsi, they are probably in deep trouble, but is Michigan State ever going to have a high corsi? The worst NHL'er can generate a (bad) shot attempt and does pretty regularly, so it seems to work out in the NHL but I don't really buy it across the board in NCAA's. It is perhaps very useful relative to a teams own numbers... for example maybe if UND's corsi is above 52% or something, maybe that's meaningful to UND winning this year. Michigan at 52% probably bodes ill for them. But that's just my sense of it, I have nothing to back it up really.

Also as much as I hate Big Mac's ***** for getting in the way of a flutter puck in the last 2 minutes of the NCAA 1st round last year, the rest of him seems a pretty great guy. Just terrible to see him go down at this point in the season. Wish him the very best and speedy recovery.

You know he positioned his jersey just right to make the puck deflect in, right?

 

[SJHovey]

Re: University of North Dakota 2014-2015 Season Thread

He is taking a few bad experiences(probably twitter battles) he had with UND fans and projecting them to the entire fanbase. How is there a lot of truth in his argument?

I noticed many fans asked him legitimate questions throughout his rant, yet he didn't retweet or respond to any of them. I'd be surprised if he has actually engaged UND fans in actual conversation.

I notice people like to paint UND fans with a broad brush yet when they try to actually talk to us(like face-to-face in real life) they are surprised we aren't all like a few moronic twitter bobos. I've had some great hockey conversations with UMD(favorite hockey fans I've met so far), BSU, SCSU, CC fans etc.(notice I didn't add UMN? )

But I suppose that wouldn't fit the narrative that we're all drunk a**holes that Eidelbes prefers to pigeon hole us as.

Does he still have the job making up stories about all the the nice things Michigan lawyers do to help people? Maybe Mike just got tired of it yesterday and decided to see if he could fire up his twitter account by poking our fanbase, something admittedly not hard to do.

 

[Sioux-perDrunk]

Re: University of North Dakota 2014-2015 Season Thread

My favorite line in the yahoo article-"Let's take North Dakota, just for example. They're first in the country in the polls, in winning percentage, and in the Pairwise. But how good are they, really?" Haha that article was done by a true troll trying to work up the biggest fan base in college hockey and get traffic through the website.

 

[willythekid]

Re: University of North Dakota 2014-2015 Season Thread

Had an east coast team been at the top of the pairwise the article would have never been... inch has always had a strong east bias, just one of the many reasons it's no longer around.

 

[purpleinnebraska]

I didn't really see why UND fans were upset about the article. The title, I suppose. I think the statement that DU, Miami and UMD are all better teams than UND probably got some riled up. I think it's funny that UNO basically got dumped on the scrap heap with SCSU, WMU, and CC, given they've contended all season for the title, have a high PWR and could finish as high as 2nd in the conference.

Personally I thought Lambert's story, while an interesting perspective, fell short. It's one thing to talk about how UND falls behind other teams in certain metrics hockey stats geeks deem important. But he didn't go the next step and explain why that is significant, or even historically why it could be important. I know there have been a lot of articles about puck possession statistics in the NHL, and their correlation to winning, but has anyone done anything similar for NCAA hockey? Are we to just assume the same?

While I don't doubt the significance of the statistics, I think the "one and done" format of the NCAA hockey playoffs minimizes the importance, to some extent, which is why I'd like to see articles discussing the significance of corsi statistics at the NCAA level.

From North Dakota's standpoint it's probably all going to be irrelevant anyway. They were never an offensive juggernaut this year, and the loss of their 1st line center, leading goal scorer, top face off man, and for that matter one of their leading penalty killers, isn't going to help.

Lambert is a "click baiter," trying to gin up traffic with a provocative title and a couple outrageous sentences. But then you get to the end of his article, and who does he rank #1? North Dakota. So what was the point of the article? That they're beatable? Thanks Lambert! The fact that they have 6 losses tells me they are beatable, but would you still make them your favorite to win it all? After all his yammering, I guess Lambert's answer to that is yes.

 

[Tipsy McStagger]

Re: University of North Dakota 2014-2015 Season Thread

Complete meltdown by former INCH editor Mike Eidelbes on twitter today. https://twitter.com/inch

Some of the gems:

"But no one better than Nodak! We don't have to change our name; we're special! The guy that built our rink wasn't a racist, Nazi sympathizer!"

Or my favorite:

"I really want to like NoDak--good coaches/staff who do things the right way, good kids. But the fans are a bunch of miserable *****s."

Wonder if that's the St. Thomas Journalism degree, or just a good example of what you get for the "public relations" degree at DU?

What does this have to do with public relations? He shouldn't say what he wants on twitter because...?

 

[SJHovey]

Re: University of North Dakota 2014-2015 Season Thread

What does this have to do with public relations? He shouldn't say what he wants on twitter because...?

It was a joke, nothing more. His twitter account turned into a car wreck, something that most P.R. guys probably try to avoid.

Moving on, "Burn the Ships." I love it. Now there is a t-shirt that needs to be made. http://undhockey.areavoices.com/

 

[Siouxfaninseattle]

Re: University of North Dakota 2014-2015 Season Thread

It was a joke, nothing more. His twitter account turned into a car wreck, something that most P.R. guys probably try to avoid.

Moving on, "Burn the Ships." I love it. Now there is a t-shirt that needs to be made. http://undhockey.areavoices.com/

It's a great article. Maybe what's-his-face needs to read it.

 

[burd]

Re: University of North Dakota 2014-2015 Season Thread

But I suppose that wouldn't fit the narrative that we're all drunk a**holes that Eidelbes prefers to pigeon hole us as.

What, really, is wrong with being a drunk azzhole? Embrace azzholeness: this is hockey.

 

[Biddco]

Re: University of North Dakota 2014-2015 Season Thread

He is taking a few bad experiences(probably twitter battles) he had with UND fans and projecting them to the entire fanbase. How is there a lot of truth in his argument?

I noticed many fans asked him legitimate questions throughout his rant, yet he didn't retweet or respond to any of them. I'd be surprised if he has actually engaged UND fans in actual conversation.

I notice people like to paint UND fans with a broad brush yet when they try to actually talk to us(like face-to-face in real life) they are surprised we aren't all like a few moronic twitter bobos. I've had some great hockey conversations with UMD(favorite hockey fans I've met so far), BSU, SCSU, CC fans etc.(notice I didn't add UMN? )

But I suppose that wouldn't fit the narrative that we're all drunk a**holes that Eidelbes prefers to pigeon hole us as.

I have found UND fans to be mostly a great bunch (as hockey fans are). But UND has a higher ratio fans who will swear (verbally or using sign language ) at other fans for cheering for the opposing team. It's a higher ratio than any other team that I've experienced. More than UMTC and Wisconsin. It's like cheering for your team is a personal insult to their fandom. That's the part of truth to it to me.

 

[Dirty]

Re: University of North Dakota 2014-2015 Season Thread

I have found UND fans to be mostly a great bunch (as hockey fans are). But UND has a higher ratio fans who will swear (verbally or using sign language ) at other fans for cheering for the opposing team. It's a higher ratio than any other team that I've experienced. More than UMTC and Wisconsin. It's like cheering for your team is a personal insult to their fandom. That's the part of truth to it to me.

Yeah? Well $%^& you, you ^&#*@$(@!(# ^&#*@*@. And while you're at it you can &*(@ right up your &*#*@ you @*#*!(#.