University of Alaska Sports in danger of elimination

[The Sicatoka]

Re: University of Alaska Sports in danger of elimination

UARGV?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Texas_Rio_Grande_Valley


OK, so it won't be "RGV"; but, you'll need something. Calling it UA will alienate UAA and UA Southeast folks ... unless UAF becoming UA was the plan the whole time.

 

[mmf]

Re: University of Alaska Sports in danger of elimination

As a person who spent nine years in college I'm genuinely curious as to how this would go. Are two different math departments kosher? What about all the other academic departments?...

Right now it’s UA…the University of Alaska system, with three separately accredited universities (UAA, UAF, UAS) and about 19 campuses all over the state. They do not have identical offerings, and quite often to finish a degree or to get an advanced degree, you have to go to a different location (or out of state).

Single accreditation probably just puts everything under one official administrative structure or approval process (use the same rubber signature stamp). You could probably have as many math offerings at as many sites as you wish, as long as they follow the same curriculum and are eventually approved and signed off on by the same University official. This would be just like having multiple sections of the same class, except now some of them would be at other sites. There will be lots of issues and it’s won’t happen overnight.

What happens with sports will be front and center, but really just collateral damage. The U is rightfully more concerned about the long range health and sustainability of academic programs. But the general public wouldn’t care, understand, or notice if you combined math curriculum and standardized math degree programs. Either campus losing athletic teams will generate debate. With just as much or more support as opposition.

 

[AKSWF]

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I think you are right. And I think even if they got rid of the Seawolf and Nanook moniker and combined it some how to SeaNook or something that represents all Alaska, but house all the sports in Anchorage, it still will be perceived that the Fairbanks campus is alienated.

However, if they house all of the sports teams at UAF and UAF becomes "The University of Alaska - Main Campus" and Anchorage becomes "The University of Alaska - Anchorage Branch Campus" that will make me more upset....there is no wins here at all.

I think if you did that, you would want the flagship to have the newer stuff, and more toys. Sets the best example for alumni, donors to see brand new or nicely renovated facilities. List of buildings built the last year to 10 years, or super nice renovated buildings within the last year to 10, UAA has:

pretty sure the Auto/Diesel building is getting renovated as I type this
Engineering & Industries Building
Wells Fargo student gym (perfect size IMHO since hardly anyone uses it)
Alaska Airlines Center
Beatrice McDonald Hall (Geology mainly)
Bookstore
Sciences building (labs for natural sciences/physics)
Health Sciences Building/the separated and much smaller Allied Health Sciences Building
Conoco Phillips Integrated Science building (labs for chemistry[lmao they deserved to have their major cut, those asshats in charge]/biology/and one lecture hall for all the sciences we have)
ANSEP open to the public 9-5
Consortium Library is now 11 years old, but still **** nice

How does UA_ fair?

 

[mmf]

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I think you are right. And I think even if they got rid of the Seawolf and Nanook moniker and combined it some how to SeaNook or something that represents all Alaska, but house all the sports in Anchorage, it still will be perceived that the Fairbanks campus is alienated.

...not sure I would call that "perceived."

They would drop all sports before they would exclusively located them at UAF. They might locate all sports in Anchorage. My bet is they split them up if that is allowed by NCAA (and I wouldn't see why not).

Instead of the "University of Alaska Fairbanks"...it will probably just become the University of Alaska @ Fairbanks.
Same with Anchorage and Southeast. One University, multiple locations.

 

[Wolfman]

...not sure I would call that "perceived."

They would drop all sports before they would exclusively located them at UAF. They might locate all sports in Anchorage. My bet is they split them up if that is allowed by NCAA (and I wouldn't see why not).

Instead of the "University of Alaska Fairbanks"...it will probably just become the University of Alaska @ Fairbanks.
Same with Anchorage and Southeast. One University, multiple locations.

Yeah that still is not good because it would signify separate campuses when they are one. I think it will probable be a main campus with branch locations. This cannot be good for recruiting...

 

[AKSWF]

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With the potential loss of teams, at least you can play as one Alaska team on the new gaming consoles:

http://www.stanleycupofchowder.com/2016/6/7/11877232/a-look-at-the-new-nhl-17-features

 

[Wolfman]

Re: University of Alaska Sports in danger of elimination

UARGV?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Texas_Rio_Grande_Valley


OK, so it won't be "RGV"; but, you'll need something. Calling it UA will alienate UAA and UA Southeast folks ... unless UAF becoming UA was the plan the whole time.

Actually, the consolidation of the University of Texas-Pan American and the University of Texas-Brownville is actually a pretty good example of consolidation that became the University of Texas - Rio Grand Valley. Both UTPA and UTB had sports programs. UTPA was Division I and UTB was Division III. It appears that all the sports programs are at the formally UTPA campus in Edinburg, but represent the locations in Brownsville, Edinburg, McAllen, Rio Grand City, and Harlingen as a DIVISION I university in the Western Athletic Conference (WAC).

I really believe that consolidation will probably look similar. It will be THE University of Alaska. Locations in Anchorage, Fairbanks, Juneau, and the surround smaller campuses. I hate to say it, but it is possible that all UA sports will probably end up in Anchorage a la UTRGV in Edinburg. We will probably get a new mascot like UTRGV did, and will be told to move on. No more Seawolves or Nanooks. It will probably be something like "The University of Alaska" Home of the "Aurora Warriors" like University of Hawaii "Rainbow Warriors."

However this is done, they will ask all of Alaska to get behind the NCAA programs in Anchorage. That way the Fairbanks "UA location" can focus soley on PhD programs and research.

Times have changed.

 

[Alaska Hockey]

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You're welcome to shop around for a new league if you think there's someone else who'll take you.

Must of hit a nerve. ..........

 

[Shirtless Guy]

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Must of hit a nerve. ..........

I think I speak for many of us, when I say, quit your *****ing. Be glad to have a league, especially one as insolvent as it is that is still willing to have both UA_ and UAA. It's a miracle when you consider how much no one else seems to want the 2 alaska schools. I appreciate having you guys in the league and support finding a way to keep you guys but regardless of how much your travel is worse than any of the other teams in the league, it is still a substantial burden to place on the other member institutions to think they shouldn't be assisted in the costs to travel to Alaska for games when we both know exemptions are going unused because playing road games doesn't offset the cost of playing in Alaska and many in the league struggle to get home NC games.

 

[mmf]

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Actually, the consolidation of the University of Texas-Pan American and the University of Texas-Brownville is actually a pretty good example of consolidation that became the University of Texas - Rio Grand Valley. Both UTPA and UTB had sports programs. UTPA was Division I and UTB was Division III. It appears that all the sports programs are at the formally UTPA campus in Edinburg, but represent the locations in Brownsville, Edinburg, McAllen, Rio Grand City, and Harlingen as a DIVISION I university in the Western Athletic Conference (WAC).

I really believe that consolidation will probably look similar. It will be THE University of Alaska. Locations in Anchorage, Fairbanks, Juneau, and the surround smaller campuses. I hate to say it, but it is possible that all UA sports will probably end up in Anchorage a la UTRGV in Edinburg. We will probably get a new mascot like UTRGV did, and will be told to move on. No more Seawolves or Nanooks. It will probably be something like "The University of Alaska" Home of the "Aurora Warriors" like University of Hawaii "Rainbow Warriors."

However this is done, they will ask all of Alaska to get behind the NCAA programs in Anchorage. That way the Fairbanks "UA location" can focus soley on PhD programs and research.

Times have changed.

Big difference in rational in combining a school with DI teams and a school with a DIII teams, versus combining two schools each with DII programs.

Why would you think all sports have to go to one location? If that happens there is little chance that anybody in Fairbanks gets behind NCAA teams located in Anchorage, and the rest of the state couldn’t care less about NCAA teams as it is.

I would guess that UAF administration would gladly give up sports if they had a lock on all Phd programs and research. They have most of that now but do not want to see that shift to Anchorage.
Over the past few years I have spouted off in here about Fairbanks being relegated to a research instituiton only, and almost everything moved to Anchorage. I still think that will eventually happen, but that will be further down the road.

 

[Buckeye22]

Why would you think all sports have to go to one location?

I don't know for sure but I think someone earlier in this thread mentioned it has to do with meeting Title IX requirements or something that all varsity sports have to be at the same campus.

 

[Alaska Hockey]

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I think I speak for many of us, when I say, quit your *****ing.

More like ……Don’t remind us of the screw job.

Be glad to have a league, especially one as insolvent as it is that is still willing to have both UA_ and UAA.

Surrounded by teams who didn’t get picked either and a independent just got into nacho land

It's a miracle when you consider how much no one else seems to want the 2 alaska schools.

We are so happy to lick your feet

I appreciate having you guys in the league and support finding a way to keep you guys

First ever kind words.

but regardless of how much your travel is worse than any of the other teams in the league,

I never ***** its part of living and school in Alaska, I have traveled by jet over 125,000 miles to watch my team on the road.

it is still a substantial burden to place on the other member institutions to think they shouldn't be assisted in the costs to travel to Alaska for games

Never said couldn’t assist but it’s becoming a one way free ride.

when we both know exemptions are going unused because playing road games doesn't offset the cost of playing in Alaska and many in the league struggle to get home NC games.

Don’t hold UAA and UA_ responsible for your A D and his staff’s failures that can’t get resourceful and use those golden gifts of free revenue.

 

[uaafanblog]

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I think I speak for many of us, when I say, quit your *****ing. Be glad to have a league, especially one as insolvent as it is that is still willing to have both UA_ and UAA. It's a miracle when you consider how much no one else seems to want the 2 alaska schools. I appreciate having you guys in the league and support finding a way to keep you guys but regardless of how much your travel is worse than any of the other teams in the league, it is still a substantial burden to place on the other member institutions to think they shouldn't be assisted in the costs to travel to Alaska for games when we both know exemptions are going unused because playing road games doesn't offset the cost of playing in Alaska and many in the league struggle to get home NC games.

Every single effing conference member that has ever had the privilege of visiting either Alaska school has been adequately compensated not only by subsidization of their trips but also by the award of exempt games. You know this. You know the value of that. In many instances over the years two of those exempt games were worth as much as half an effing million dollars (had the recipient utilized them fully) but usually no less than 200,000 dollars. So you ought to ****.

 

[davyd83]

Every single effing conference member that has ever had the privilege of visiting either Alaska school has been adequately compensated not only by subsidization of their trips but also by the award of exempt games. You know this. You know the value of that. In many instances over the years two of those exempt games were worth as much as half an effing million dollars (had the recipient utilized them fully) but usually no less than 200,000 dollars. So you ought to ****.

In today's WCHA, $200,000 would equal two sell outs at $25.00 per seat. When Michigan Tech sold out its series with Michigan, the revenue generated was well shy of $200,000 for the weekend, and also meant Tech had to make 2 trips to Ann Arbor. If the Alaska exemptions and stipends are such a no brainier money maker, why didn't the NCHC invite one, or both Alaskas to join?

 

[davyd83]

More like ……Don’t remind us of the screw job.



Surrounded by teams who didn’t get picked either and a independent just got into nacho land



We are so happy to lick your feet



First ever kind words.


I never ***** its part of living and school in Alaska, I have traveled by jet over 125,000 miles to watch my team on the road.



Never said couldn’t assist but it’s becoming a one way free ride.




Don’t hold UAA and UA_ responsible for your A D and his staff’s failures that can’t get resourceful and use those golden gifts of free revenue.

Free ride? The stipends have paid about half the expense of Fairbanks and Anchorage trips. Even after the stipend, it still costs twice as much to go to Fairbanks as it does to Mankato, a trip Anchorge still costs about 3 times as much as Ferris State.

 

[uaafanblog]

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In today's WCHA, $200,000 would equal two sell outs at $25.00 per seat. When Michigan Tech sold out its series with Michigan, the revenue generated was well shy of $200,000 for the weekend, and also meant Tech had to make 2 trips to Ann Arbor. If the Alaska exemptions and stipends are such a no brainier money maker, why didn't the NCHC invite one, or both Alaskas to join?

Because just as they told you and everyone else they were more interested in forming a regional league versus trying to maximize revenue in a sport where there is little to no real revenue to be made. It would take a modicum of effort to turn Alaska exemptions into money. It would be worth it if a program is truly interested in making money but nobody really is interested in doing that. They're all (including the Alaska schools) more interested in whining and moaning about budgets and money so that their donors and alumni and long time fans can be leveraged. Nobody in NCAA Div 1 hockey administration is the least bit interested in making money. It's a niche sport.

 

[Alaska Hockey]

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In today's WCHA, $200,000 would equal two sell outs at $25.00 per seat. When Michigan Tech sold out its series with Michigan, the revenue generated was well shy of $200,000 for the weekend,

Raise your ticket prices…… Make believe you are the Fighting Hawks and demand $50.00

and also meant Tech had to make 2 trips to Ann Arbor.

Fire whoever signed that contract….. Because that is not our problem to finance your business failures.

If the Alaska exemptions and stipends are such a no brainier money maker,

Back in the day Every Team didn’t succeed to make the Alaska Teams their major fundraising event of the year.

why didn't the NCHC invite one, or both Alaskas to join?

Also we didn’t get the invite you ask? We know why. …………

But please explain how and why NMU turned down the offer to join the NCHC when they received the Golden Phone call to me again.

Thank you for your time .

 

[davyd83]

Raise your ticket prices…… Make believe you are the Fighting Hawks and demand $50.00



Fire whoever signed that contract….. Because that is not our problem to finance your business failures.



Back in the day Every Team didn’t succeed to make the Alaska Teams their major fundraising event of the year.



Also we didn’t get the invite you ask? We know why. …………

But please explain how and why NMU turned down the offer to join the NCHC when they received the Golden Phone call to me again.

Thank you for your time .

Uaafanblog just told us all what a great financial bonus the Alaskas could be. I just needed clarification. As for the rest of the league. We're the league of misfit teams. To paraphrase Bill Murray in "Stripes," "We've been kicked aside by every decent league in the world!"

 

[MaizeRage]

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Back in the day Every Team didn’t succeed to make the Alaska Teams their major fundraising event of the year.

It's not a fundraising event. It's a major loss for teams to go up there. If the schools in the WCHA got a do-over, UAF wouldn't be in the conference.

 

[mmf]

Re: University of Alaska Sports in danger of elimination

It's not a fundraising event. It's a major loss for teams to go up there. If the schools in the WCHA got a do-over, UAF wouldn't be in the conference.

If all schools got a do-over I'm sure there would be lots of changes. Where UAF ended up would be a minor consideration.

My understanding is that the current subsidies provided by UAA, UAF, and UAH were not based on any hard data and that actual costs were supposed to be tracked during 2015-16 and adjusted for 2016-17 if necessary.

I believe last season’s subsidies were $15k for both UAA and UAH, and about $21k + three nights hotel for UAF. Obviously the concept is not to reimburse teams the full cost, just an amount that reasonably equalizes the costs of trips to Alaska (and UAH) compared to other lengthy conference trips.

Read comments about the league tacking on hotel charges to UAA and UAH, but not sure if that was implemented. I have not heard anything about any analysis of costs or subsidies being adjusted, but maybe we never would. Curious if the league is more content to just pull a number out of a hat rather than publicize team travel costs by trip.


P.S. You've been around more than long enough to realize that "Alaska Hockey" has nothing to do with Alaska Hockey.