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Union at St. Cloud (10/16, 10/17) - Never Won vs. Never Been
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Jon
Say, this is nice.
Re: Union at St. Cloud (10/16, 10/17) - Never Won vs. Never Been
*standing ovation*
*standing ovation*
startthebus
BOB JOYCE-YOU OWN THE BOARDS!
Re: Union at St. Cloud (10/16, 10/17) - Never Won vs. Never Been
I'll start it up again.
I'll start it up again.
startthebus
BOB JOYCE-YOU OWN THE BOARDS!
Re: Union at St. Cloud (10/16, 10/17) - Never Won vs. Never Been
A BRIEF HISTORY OF UNION HOCKEY
A RED CLOUD PRODUCTION
Part III: Redefining Suck
After missing the playoffs in 2002, the ECAC expanded its playoffs from 10 teams to all 12 teams in a move that was popularly referred to at the time as the “Union rule.” At the same time, they allowed that the top 8 teams in the league would each have a home-ice series during the playoffs. Thanks to a rule change, things were starting to finally look up for Union.
That season, the Dutchmen managed to finish sixth in the ECAC, their second highest finish ever. Under the previous rules, they still would have been on the road for the playoffs, but with the new standard, Union got to host their first ever playoff series. Their opponents? The despised “rivals,” who finished in eleventh after a miserable season. The sun was coming out. It was finally Union’s time to gain the upper hand.
And then the door closed again. RPI swept the series in Schenectady, running their playoff futility streak to 11. The second game of the series was especially heartbreaking for the Dutch. Up 2-1 late in the game, Union went on the power-play looking to ice the game and force Game 3. Instead, Engineers forward Ben Barr scored two short-handed goals on the same penalty (in largely the same fashion, as goaltender Kris Mayotte wandered out of his net to play a loose puck and mishandled it both times), and the Engineers went on to win, 3-2.
During this time period, good coaches came through Schenectady but ended up leaving under similar circumstances as Ned Harkness. Stan Moore took the reins in 1996 and immediately brought the Dutchmen a sixth place finish. He was run out of town in 1998, but he later coached Colgate to an unexpected ECAC regular season championship. Kevin Sneddon then took over and finally dragged Union kicking and screaming out of the doldrums of the league, but left for greener pastures in Vermont after getting the Dutch to their first home playoff series – before the Catamounts decided to move to Hockey East, where he’s taken them to the Frozen Four.
The embarrassment rolled on. Clarkson made it 13 in a row the next year, also in Schenectady, with back-to-back pastings of 8-3 and 5-2. They may have been a little upset at Union.
You see, that season was the advent of NCAA’s Proposition 65, which threatened to take away D-I athletic scholarships for D-III schools that “play up” in Division I, schools which included Clarkson, SLU, and RPI. When it came time for a vote on an amendment to the proposition which would grandfather schools already granting scholarships, Union voted against it, becoming the only school in the nation playing in conferences with affected schools to jealously vote to rescind their right to offer athletic scholarships.
The episode granted an important insight into why it was that Union had put together such a long history of misery. "Let me tell you of my idea of being competitive,” said then-President Roger Hull. “Fielding a team that has a reasonable chance of winning every time it steps on the ice… when [Union] got to 40 percent [winning percentage], I was proud, and when they reached nearly 50 percent a few years ago, I was tremendously proud of them.”
A fitting end result of the proposition, which passed, was to deny Union any hope in the future of changing their minds and offering D-I athletic scholarships as a D-III school.
A BRIEF HISTORY OF UNION HOCKEY
A RED CLOUD PRODUCTION
Part III: Redefining Suck
After missing the playoffs in 2002, the ECAC expanded its playoffs from 10 teams to all 12 teams in a move that was popularly referred to at the time as the “Union rule.” At the same time, they allowed that the top 8 teams in the league would each have a home-ice series during the playoffs. Thanks to a rule change, things were starting to finally look up for Union.
That season, the Dutchmen managed to finish sixth in the ECAC, their second highest finish ever. Under the previous rules, they still would have been on the road for the playoffs, but with the new standard, Union got to host their first ever playoff series. Their opponents? The despised “rivals,” who finished in eleventh after a miserable season. The sun was coming out. It was finally Union’s time to gain the upper hand.
And then the door closed again. RPI swept the series in Schenectady, running their playoff futility streak to 11. The second game of the series was especially heartbreaking for the Dutch. Up 2-1 late in the game, Union went on the power-play looking to ice the game and force Game 3. Instead, Engineers forward Ben Barr scored two short-handed goals on the same penalty (in largely the same fashion, as goaltender Kris Mayotte wandered out of his net to play a loose puck and mishandled it both times), and the Engineers went on to win, 3-2.
During this time period, good coaches came through Schenectady but ended up leaving under similar circumstances as Ned Harkness. Stan Moore took the reins in 1996 and immediately brought the Dutchmen a sixth place finish. He was run out of town in 1998, but he later coached Colgate to an unexpected ECAC regular season championship. Kevin Sneddon then took over and finally dragged Union kicking and screaming out of the doldrums of the league, but left for greener pastures in Vermont after getting the Dutch to their first home playoff series – before the Catamounts decided to move to Hockey East, where he’s taken them to the Frozen Four.
The embarrassment rolled on. Clarkson made it 13 in a row the next year, also in Schenectady, with back-to-back pastings of 8-3 and 5-2. They may have been a little upset at Union.
You see, that season was the advent of NCAA’s Proposition 65, which threatened to take away D-I athletic scholarships for D-III schools that “play up” in Division I, schools which included Clarkson, SLU, and RPI. When it came time for a vote on an amendment to the proposition which would grandfather schools already granting scholarships, Union voted against it, becoming the only school in the nation playing in conferences with affected schools to jealously vote to rescind their right to offer athletic scholarships.
The episode granted an important insight into why it was that Union had put together such a long history of misery. "Let me tell you of my idea of being competitive,” said then-President Roger Hull. “Fielding a team that has a reasonable chance of winning every time it steps on the ice… when [Union] got to 40 percent [winning percentage], I was proud, and when they reached nearly 50 percent a few years ago, I was tremendously proud of them.”
A fitting end result of the proposition, which passed, was to deny Union any hope in the future of changing their minds and offering D-I athletic scholarships as a D-III school.
Next: Demanding Respect, Failing to Receive Any
Re: Union at St. Cloud (10/16, 10/17) - Never Won vs. Never Been
Better make that Adrian Jon, GVSU don't even play college hockey, yet.
Check your rep and see if you don't pee your pants.
Re: Union at St. Cloud (10/16, 10/17) - Never Won vs. Never Been
You do realize that you're the one carrying on the arguement with him, so what does that make you??
GreatLakerMohawk
Mushroom Cloud-Laying Mofo
Re: Union at St. Cloud (10/16, 10/17) - Never Won vs. Never Been
It makes him a Union hockey maniac is what it does.
You do realize that you're the one carrying on the arguement with him, so what does that make you??
It makes him a Union hockey maniac is what it does.
bigblue_dl
Armed
Re: Union at St. Cloud (10/16, 10/17) - Never Won vs. Never Been
I just googled "Union College Union" to see if there is any validity to this ranking arguement. Little surprise, as I found that Union is highly ranked among liberal arts schools. That is like being the best NAIA football team.
I just googled "Union College Union" to see if there is any validity to this ranking arguement. Little surprise, as I found that Union is highly ranked among liberal arts schools. That is like being the best NAIA football team.
Dirty
#BanBiddy
Re: Union at St. Cloud (10/16, 10/17) - Never Won vs. Never Been
UND is playing them on Saturday.
UND is playing them on Saturday.
Re: Union at St. Cloud (10/16, 10/17) - Never Won vs. Never Been
You forgot to look for their respected MBA program.... with an average GMAT score of a "highly respectable" 547.... oh wait nevermind that's only in the top 50%...
You forgot to look for their respected MBA program.... with an average GMAT score of a "highly respectable" 547.... oh wait nevermind that's only in the top 50%...
startthebus
BOB JOYCE-YOU OWN THE BOARDS!
Re: Union at St. Cloud (10/16, 10/17) - Never Won vs. Never Been
I don't want to know what St. Clouds is..
I don't want to know what St. Clouds is..
Skeeterman
Bob is making me nervous
Re: Union at St. Cloud (10/16, 10/17) - Never Won vs. Never Been
Hey, it could be just me, but after reading several posts, I'm getting the impression that Red Cloud is anti-Union.
Hey, it could be just me, but after reading several posts, I'm getting the impression that Red Cloud is anti-Union.
Re: Union at St. Cloud (10/16, 10/17) - Never Won vs. Never Been
Well scsu's MBA program is a joke and its at 499
Well scsu's MBA program is a joke and its at 499
GreatLakerMohawk
Mushroom Cloud-Laying Mofo
Re: Union at St. Cloud (10/16, 10/17) - Never Won vs. Never Been
In more ways than the obvious.
In more ways than the obvious.
bostonewe
Short/Round
Re: Union at St. Cloud (10/16, 10/17) - Never Won vs. Never Been
He's a Confederate!?
He's a Confederate!?
Jon
Say, this is nice.
Re: Union at St. Cloud (10/16, 10/17) - Never Won vs. Never Been
Let the glorious War of Northern Aggression commence!
He's a Confederate!?
Let the glorious War of Northern Aggression commence!
MarkEagleUSA
C'mon Q!
Re: Union at St. Cloud (10/16, 10/17) - Never Won vs. Never Been
You'd think someone from such an elite institution to have a much more subdued offering.
Sorta like your signature?
You'd think someone from such an elite institution to have a much more subdued offering.
Skeeterman
Bob is making me nervous
Re: Union at St. Cloud (10/16, 10/17) - Never Won vs. Never Been
Those dang rebs! Is the saying that "The south is gonna rise again" some kind of erotic deal?
He's a Confederate!?
Those dang rebs! Is the saying that "The south is gonna rise again" some kind of erotic deal?
Re: Union at St. Cloud (10/16, 10/17) - Never Won vs. Never Been
A BRIEF HISTORY OF UNION HOCKEY
A RED CLOUD PRODUCTION
Part IV: Demanding Respect, Failing to Receive Any
2005 brought another glimmer of hope. The Dutch again hosted Clarkson in the first round of the ECAC playoffs, and after dropping Game 1 to make it 14 straight playoff losses, Union finally won a playoff game, beating the Golden Knights 2-1 in overtime in Game 2. But the broken record rolled on as the glimmer died the next night as Clarkson took the decisive Game 3. 14 years into their ECAC lives, Union still had yet to win a playoff series.
The following season, though, Union finally made the history books – although not in the way anyone would want to. Game 2 of their fourth consecutive home playoff series (this time against Yale) became the longest game in NCAA history. Fans from across the college hockey spectrum tuned in on the Internet to listen to history in the making. The teams battled into a fifth overtime – more than two full games worth of hockey. Yale’s Joe Zappala was sent off for hooking early in OT #5 to give Union a precious overtime power play. 20 seconds later, Yale’s David Meckler scored a short-handed goal to end the game, and Union’s season, giving the Dutchmen 17 losses in 19 total ECAC playoff games.
2007 saw a return to form for Union, finishing in last place in the ECAC. The Dutchmen were dispatched in consecutive games in the playoffs by Quinnipiac, a school in only their second season in the league since graduating from Atlantic Hockey. While the Dutch had suffered 16 years without ever advancing in the playoffs, the Bobcats did it in their very first season in 2006 (dispatching Union’s "arch-nemesis" in the process) and after beating Union, later came within minutes of upsetting Clarkson in the title game to win the ECAC championship, only highlighting the misery in Schenectady.
2008, however, was a revelation. The Dutchmen were suddenly considered an ECAC force beyond all historical belief, and they came through during the regular season, finishing in an all-time high fourth place and earning a first-round bye in the playoffs. Union’s few stalwarts debated whether this could be considered the Dutchmen’s first ever playoff triumph, but rational hockey fans knew they’d have to prove themselves in the second round in order to earn that honor. Sure enough, Union wasn’t going anywhere. After the week off, Cornell swept into Schenectady and swept out, leaving the Dutchmen as the only team swept in the second round that year, and leaving them with an all time playoff record of 2-23 in the post-season. Ultimately, the banner moment from the year came during the RPI game in Schenectady, when a intermission giveaway featuring thrown t-shirts turned ugly as a thrower couldn’t manage to clear the glass with a t-shirt, which was promptly run over by the zamboni, causing an on-ice breakdown.
Season #18 in Division I started with a reconnection to the all important RPI ties that Union had thrown away in 1977. Ben Barr, the man who had tortured the Dutchmen in the ’03 playoffs, was hired as an assistant coach, and the magic touch was finally found. Although the team slipped a bit from its fourth place finish of the previous season, the playoff monkey was partially cast off as the Dutchmen pounded Clarkson 5-3 and 7-2 to leave no doubt, advancing in the playoffs for the first time in their Division I history by doubling their all time playoff win total in a single weekend. And yet, the common thread of doors opening followed closely by doors slamming shut continued in the second round. Though Union increased its all-time playoff win total to an amazing five in Game 2 at Princeton, the Tigers scored 3 quick goals in the first period of Game 3 to dash any fantasies of a Union appearance in the ECAC Final Four.
A BRIEF HISTORY OF UNION HOCKEY
A RED CLOUD PRODUCTION
Part IV: Demanding Respect, Failing to Receive Any
2005 brought another glimmer of hope. The Dutch again hosted Clarkson in the first round of the ECAC playoffs, and after dropping Game 1 to make it 14 straight playoff losses, Union finally won a playoff game, beating the Golden Knights 2-1 in overtime in Game 2. But the broken record rolled on as the glimmer died the next night as Clarkson took the decisive Game 3. 14 years into their ECAC lives, Union still had yet to win a playoff series.
The following season, though, Union finally made the history books – although not in the way anyone would want to. Game 2 of their fourth consecutive home playoff series (this time against Yale) became the longest game in NCAA history. Fans from across the college hockey spectrum tuned in on the Internet to listen to history in the making. The teams battled into a fifth overtime – more than two full games worth of hockey. Yale’s Joe Zappala was sent off for hooking early in OT #5 to give Union a precious overtime power play. 20 seconds later, Yale’s David Meckler scored a short-handed goal to end the game, and Union’s season, giving the Dutchmen 17 losses in 19 total ECAC playoff games.
2007 saw a return to form for Union, finishing in last place in the ECAC. The Dutchmen were dispatched in consecutive games in the playoffs by Quinnipiac, a school in only their second season in the league since graduating from Atlantic Hockey. While the Dutch had suffered 16 years without ever advancing in the playoffs, the Bobcats did it in their very first season in 2006 (dispatching Union’s "arch-nemesis" in the process) and after beating Union, later came within minutes of upsetting Clarkson in the title game to win the ECAC championship, only highlighting the misery in Schenectady.
2008, however, was a revelation. The Dutchmen were suddenly considered an ECAC force beyond all historical belief, and they came through during the regular season, finishing in an all-time high fourth place and earning a first-round bye in the playoffs. Union’s few stalwarts debated whether this could be considered the Dutchmen’s first ever playoff triumph, but rational hockey fans knew they’d have to prove themselves in the second round in order to earn that honor. Sure enough, Union wasn’t going anywhere. After the week off, Cornell swept into Schenectady and swept out, leaving the Dutchmen as the only team swept in the second round that year, and leaving them with an all time playoff record of 2-23 in the post-season. Ultimately, the banner moment from the year came during the RPI game in Schenectady, when a intermission giveaway featuring thrown t-shirts turned ugly as a thrower couldn’t manage to clear the glass with a t-shirt, which was promptly run over by the zamboni, causing an on-ice breakdown.
Season #18 in Division I started with a reconnection to the all important RPI ties that Union had thrown away in 1977. Ben Barr, the man who had tortured the Dutchmen in the ’03 playoffs, was hired as an assistant coach, and the magic touch was finally found. Although the team slipped a bit from its fourth place finish of the previous season, the playoff monkey was partially cast off as the Dutchmen pounded Clarkson 5-3 and 7-2 to leave no doubt, advancing in the playoffs for the first time in their Division I history by doubling their all time playoff win total in a single weekend. And yet, the common thread of doors opening followed closely by doors slamming shut continued in the second round. Though Union increased its all-time playoff win total to an amazing five in Game 2 at Princeton, the Tigers scored 3 quick goals in the first period of Game 3 to dash any fantasies of a Union appearance in the ECAC Final Four.
Next: Coup de grâce
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