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UNH Wildcats Official Wait til Next Year...14/15 thread

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We had this one in the bag pre game. Did anyone else see Downing and Willows at the end of warm ups? They cleaned up the pucks into the net, did a hip and cool hand shake thing, were joined by Thrush for a "moment" and were the last to exit the ice along with (pass the torch) Kelleher while looking around and taking in the Whitt.

At game's end, after the boards parade, in a Foley-esque moment, Downing was the last to leave the ice doing a slow 360 to take it all in once again.
 
Re: UNH Wildcats Official Wait til Next Year...14/15 thread

We had this one in the bag pre game. Did anyone else see Downing and Willows at the end of warm ups? They cleaned up the pucks into the net, did a hip and cool hand shake thing, were joined by Thrush for a "moment" and were the last to exit the ice along with (pass the torch) Kelleher while looking around and taking in the Whitt.

At game's end, after the boards parade, in a Foley-esque moment, Downing was the last to leave the ice doing a slow 360 to take it all in once again.

Ok, now you've done it. I was doing just fine until I read this post! :o Wished I had caught that but glad I filmed the boards parade. A great bunch of guys to be sure! Go 'Cats!!
 
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Nice post. Now, who are you and what have you done with Chuck?

I think I saw the real Chuck in front of the Whitt holding a sign which read; "Getting pucks to the net is relevant but shots on goal are not." JMHObservation;):D
 
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I like the BC solution of having them already built in to the package. W !

it doesnt translate into more fannies in the seats though, unfortunately. we will have around 3500 actual humans in 7884 seat Conte Forum.......you guys drew well though this weekend, relatively speaking [/QUOTE]
 
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Hey Ref UNH used to do that but apparently have done away with it. I do know a lot of season ticket holders used to whine about the practice (believe it or not I wasn't one of them:D) so perhaps that had something to do with the change.

You still can when you purchase your season tickets. It's an option you either say yes or no to now.
 
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Thanks. Nice move by Hill to set up the Smith goal. Downing's goal laser guided.
 
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Not picking on you Chuck, as I have seen similar comments many times over the years from others. But the Eagles have been placed in the pressure cooker many times in Jerry York's tenure and have been quite successful in that time.

PRESSURE is a mind set, nothing more, nothing less. It can kill some teams and some teams thrive on it. The team that is able to thrive on it, they don't actually feel 'pressure'. They are able to channel negative energy (pressure) into positive energy (inspiration). This channeling is not by accident. It starts at the top. Whether it be a team captain, a teammate, a coach, or a combination of those, it takes leadership to keep the team's head in the right place.

We've had one 'constant' over the years at BC. He's still here. No Pressure. :)

Edit: Not saying UNH or anyone else can't beat BC. We're very beatable this season. Just saying that 'pressure', on BC's end, will have nothing to do with it. They'll be prepared to play and be as confident as they always are for the games. You just have to out play them.

No, actually I agree with you more than you might think. You're looking at it from the BC perspective, and I couldn't agree with you more. I've been fortunate enough to have seen this scenario first-hand (first person) a few times in the last decade, and "pressure" really is what you make of it. You can view it as a great opportunity, or you can go negative and create a burden that needs not be created. Winning breeds winning, losing breeds losing, and coming up short in the big games usually begets more of the same. I'm not talking about buzzard's luck or puck luck, where an even game turns against you at the last turn (see BC vs. Michigan '98 Finals or UNH vs. UMaine '99 Finals). I'm talking about not being ready for big games, overlooking low profile tourney qualifiers, getting blown out, or not being able to close out a game with a late and/or multi-goal lead. We've seen many a talented UNH squad fall into those various potholes over the last 15+ seasons, and as much as I'd like to deny it ... that's unfortunately not been a coincidence. "Bad Umile" has to take the blame for some (if not most) of that. Of course, "Good Umile" gets them into position to compete in those games in the first place, and has managed to win some hardware (obviously not the big one yet) here and there. And "Good Umile" got this nothing team to advance (and back to .500) last night when people like myself were shoveling dirt over this year's team only a few weeks ago.

From the UNH perspective ... this IS a little different. This is NOT the typical "Champions of November" or "Regular Season Champions" UNH team, which has then more often than not felt the added pressure of expectations (admittedly self-imposed) and have then let that affect their postseason performances. This is a UNH team that had low expectations coming in, and for large chunks of the season didn't even meet those low expectations. But uncharacteristically, they've ripped off a winning streak out of nowhere at a time of the season when we've not been accustomed to seeing it happen. It's fun, and it's exciting ... and maybe most importantly, it comes with no baggage. It hasn't been since UNH was a program on the rise throughout the early and mid-'90's when they got to the postseason with next to no expectations. And not surprisingly, that's the last times they've beaten BC at this time of the season (even if once was pre-York, and the other was early York era before BC emerged from the ashes of Cedorchuk's all-too-brief tenure). :( ;)

It was fun in the early Umile era to see UNH gradually climbing up the competitive pyramid (and before folks like myself began to note certain post-season *patterns*, shall we say?), and with a little bit of that underdog attitude to press them ahead further. It was only when they started getting closer and closer to the top - and in doing so creating expectations - and began regularly encountering some of the "potholes" noted above, that some of us (myself included) got demanding and/or spoiled, and that arguably began to feed upon itself. But before that all unfolded, the early "underdog" and "rising force" years of Umile's tenure were really enjoyable times for us.

For what it's worth ... at least to me, this season feels a lot like the first few seasons after Coach Umile took the helm after Coach Kullen's passing. UNH teams since the late '90's have had to deal with the collective post-season carnage of their successors, with each passing postseason seemingly adding yet another chapter of pain and disappointment. Last year's team underachieved in the regular season, but unchacteristically found their best form in the HE Tourney, where they advanced to the Finals. This year's team emerged from non-existent expectations after decimation of their talented blue line crew (and starting goalie) to again play their best hockey at what is a very un-UNH time of the season.

The optimist in me wants to think that *maybe* Coach Umile is the rare old dog that is finally beginning to learn some new tricks. The cynical me that Darius is about to post an APB on :D won't believe it until Coach gets his charges into another HE title game and/or the NCAA's, and either wins hardware or comes up just short without "spitting the bit" and emerging with dignity intact.

The beautiful thing about this moment in time is that NO ONE - including myself - thinks any of this is going to happen this season, and in all likelihood not next season either. So Coach Umile has an opportunity to relish and embrace the underdog role, play without fear of failure and without the weight of expectation and/or past shortcomings, and just let his troops play with gusto and let it all hang out.

So just like I wanted UNH to play UMaine in the first round ... I REALLY want UNH to play BC in the quarters. If you want to get the attention of the disaffected UNH college hockey faithful (and NH hockey fans in general) you probably aren't going to get that by beating Providence or UMass-Lowell - even with the latter being the two-time defending HE Tourney champs. That's nothing against Providence or Lowell, mind you. You are only (potentially) going to get that buzz going in advance of next season by taking down someone like BC.

That's my story, and I'm sticking to it. :)
 
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The optimist in me wants to think that *maybe* Coach Umile is the rare old dog that is finally beginning to learn some new tricks. The cynical me that Darius is about to post an APB on :D won't believe it until Coach gets his charges into another HE title game and/or the NCAA's, and either wins hardware or comes up just short without "spitting the bit" and emerging with dignity intact.

Not to squash your optimism, but all that's happened is they actually recruited talent. Everyone knew this was a very good freshman class, and it was a matter of how quickly they got it. They got it a bit slower than I had hoped, and I had predicted making some noise i.e. getting to the Garden. Finishing 8th in HE and beating U.Conn club team in a newly-created fake play-in round of unworthy teams doesn't do much for me or make me think Umile is learning anything new.

Basically UNH has a good senior class, and a good freshman class. By definition freshmen take a while to get going, so we knew this would be a slow start but ramp up to the playoffs. They proved that down the stretch, even though 4 of the games were exhibitions against the bad U.Conn team, but it is good for the confidence. Now that the real playoffs start next week, we'll see if the freshmen have learned enough to make it to the Garden. That will be living up to expectations.
http://board.uscho.com/showthread.p...-White-Whale&p=5931836&viewfull=1#post5931836

For 2014-15, Umile's 25th anniversary and when he turns 66. It should be a fun team to watch, as the core will be made up of five rookie forwards, and 2 rookie defensemen. They will definitely have learning pains that will limit their success, but they are good enough so that by year's end they should either be dangerous, or at least ready for a strong 2015-16 season. Kelleher needs to make a big jump. McNicholas needs strength, and so will have a year of adjustment, like Kelleher. Foegele is a true freshman, so like McNicholas, he will need time. Eiserman's offense is a question, so let's find out if he is a limited solid contributor on the 2nd line, or if he has first line upside. For a fourth rounder, Salvaggio has good skills and is more talented than the past "fillers" Umile has recruited.

Sr.Downing----So.Kelleher------Sr.Willows
Fr.Foegele-----Fr.Poturalski-----Jr.Correale
Fr.Eiserman----Fr.McNicholas---Sr.Thrush
Fr.Salvaggio---Jr.Smith---------Sr.Camper
Jr.Gaudreault--Jr.MacDonald----Jr.Hill
So.Bourque

On defense, we saw that Pesce can step up (though his Lowell game was bad), and he needs to carry the load. The key will be whether Cleland and Maller can make a middle step -- Cleland has far more upside. I don't expect much from Marks and Chanter their freshmen years, so we may see more of Furgele and Quast early on as Marks/Chanter earn their stripes.
Sr.Agosta------Jr.Pesce
So.Cleland-----So.Maller
Fr.Marks-------Fr.Chanter
Fr.Furgele-----Jr.Quast
Sr.Randall
 
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I'm talking about not being ready for big games, overlooking low profile tourney qualifiers, getting blown out, or not being able to close out a game with a late and/or multi-goal lead.

APB cancelled, but something is still amiss...

They (UNH) proved that down the stretch, even though 4 of the games were exhibitions against the bad U.Conn team, but it is good for the confidence. Now that the real playoffs start next week, we'll see if the freshmen have learned enough to make it to the Garden. That will be living up to expectations.
... a response to Chuck that he has set his expectation bar too low? Strange day.

Strange year having such a positive feeling while my expectations (top 4 HEA regular season, advance to Garden, win at Garden somewhat consistently, qualify for NCAA's, win NCAA games somewhat consistently) not being met so far. It will be interesting to see how we do in the real playoffs. It is not too soon to officially post my we are not advancing prediction and hope that my run holds. Not that I am superstitious or anything. Still not knowing the opponent (looking like recent playoff rival and ref's go to Friars), I feel like there could be a 3rd game and some OT next weekend.
 
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You are correct, I should have said now that making it to the Garden would be above expectations. By virtue of being 8th, we made achieving the Garden a very difficult prospect, moreso than had we been a 4, 5, 6, which I had expected would make the Garden a reasonable accomplishment.
 
APB cancelled, but something is still amiss...

... a response to Chuck that he has set his expectation bar too low? Strange day.

Strange year having such a positive feeling while my expectations (top 4 HEA regular season, advance to Garden, win at Garden somewhat consistently, qualify for NCAA's, win NCAA games somewhat consistently) not being met so far. It will be interesting to see how we do in the real playoffs. It is not too soon to officially post my we are not advancing prediction and hope that my run holds. Not that I am superstitious or anything. Still not knowing the opponent (looking like recent playoff rival and ref's go to Friars), I feel like there could be a 3rd game and some OT next weekend.

Darius maybe your positive feeling comes from being realistic about what kind of team we have in front of us this season. And there's nothing wrong with having those goals after all that's what you veteran fans had been accustomed to for a long long time.

just this past Fall at an alumni function Coach U told the gathering that regardless of the issues facing the uoung season "the goals of the program have not changed which are to win the HE, advance to the FF and win the NC". In fact I've heard him state these very same goals in pressers etc. he's playing to win and as a fan I expect him to push for those things no matter who's playing for him in any given year and and why not? This is UNH Hockey...

So let's feel good about where we are and get to the next round and see where that takes us! Enjoying the ride and keepin it real.
Oh and score update both ND and UVM leading in the 2nd FWIW dept. Go 'Cats!!
 
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Not to squash your optimism, but all that's happened is they actually recruited talent. Everyone knew this was a very good freshman class, and it was a matter of how quickly they got it. They got it a bit slower than I had hoped, and I had predicted making some noise i.e. getting to the Garden. Finishing 8th in HE and beating U.Conn club team in a newly-created fake play-in round of unworthy teams doesn't do much for me or make me think Umile is learning anything new.

Basically UNH has a good senior class, and a good freshman class. By definition freshmen take a while to get going, so we knew this would be a slow start but ramp up to the playoffs. They proved that down the stretch, even though 4 of the games were exhibitions against the bad U.Conn team, but it is good for the confidence. Now that the real playoffs start next week, we'll see if the freshmen have learned enough to make it to the Garden. That will be living up to expectations.

http://board.uscho.com/showthread.p...-White-Whale&p=5931836&viewfull=1#post5931836

Guess it all depends on your perspective AND your expectations 'Watcher. I agree 100% with the phony-baloney extra playoffs round, but maybe the stark contrast of a late-season 7 game winning streak against what has usually gone on at this stage of a typical UNH season has caused the blood to rush to my head and create some uncharacteristic giddiness.

You expected them to finish higher than I did, and you expected them to make it to the Garden. I expected a 7th place finish (got 8th) and nothing in the phony-baloney extra playoffs round. I certainly did not expect a trip to the Garden, and I still think that will prove to be a step too far for UNH this season. Having said that, I hope I'm wrong and you are proven correct in your expectations, as the more visibility UNH enjoys in the postseason, logic follows that should generate more buzz and attract higher-quality recruits.

It's interesting that at the time of your post, you (and to be fair, most of us) had some expectation of Agosta returning to the fold, and a much more certain assumption that DeSmith would carry the load in goal. Considering that "living up to expectations" seems to have been based upon prominent roles for two (2) seniors who never materialized ... do you still think it was reasonable to expect this team to make it to the Garden? Your other projections seem to be spot on - maybe with McNicholas and Chanter coming up a bit short, and Boyd being more prominent than expected - but all in all, it's very balanced and accurate.

It's all moot for next season's outlook, as Agosta and DeSmith weren't going to be part of the equation past this Spring anyway, but I'm thinking you might be being a tad bit harsh on Coach Umile's work this season. Otherwise, I think you can safely assume we are in agreement on the history and the patterns. Our only difference here may be that I'm a sucker for happy endings, and I can be naive on certain topics in a Charlie-Brown-believing-Lucy-won't-yank-the-football-this-time way.

Coach Umile is a good guy. I've always believed good things happen to good people. UNH Hockey has brought myself and my family a lot of joy over the years, far outweighing the temporary pain of the tough losses, the no shows, and even the chokes. So as much for all of us (and I'm talking about myself, my family, my USCHO/UNH *family*, and the folks who go to games who don't bother with silly Internet message boards like this) as for Coach Umile, I want to see this end well for the guy. It didn't end so well for Coach Holt, and Coach Umile was one of his guys. I've always hoped he would avoid ending up the way Coach Holt's career did. If he can navigate this current season as successfully as I think he has, then I'm willing to keep the faith for at least another season. JMHO.
 
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Darius maybe your positive feeling comes from being realistic about what kind of team we have in front of us this season. And there's nothing wrong with having those goals after all that's what you veteran fans had been accustomed to for a long long time.
Yeah, that's me. Mr. Reality. Ask anyone who knows me. My positive feeling is from the way we improved and finished strong. One has to think there are scoreboard watchers in Providence, Chestnut Hill and Lowell hoping they don't draw us next week.

Point of clarification, my expectations - top 4 HEA regular season, advance to Garden, win at Garden somewhat consistently, qualify for NCAA's, win NCAA games somewhat consistently - are over a period of time, not a specific (especially this) year.
 
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Wondering about Chuck's whereabouts again. This was so much easier when Jacques was here.
 
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Wondering about Chuck's whereabouts again. This was so much easier when Jacques was here.

I'm pretty sure if Jacques is checking in under the radar, he's probably asking the same questions, Darius.
 
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UMaine cuts the UVM lead in half to 2-1 early in the 3rd period.

Another sign of the looming apocalypse ... I'm not feeling dirty OR guilty about rooting for UMaine. :eek:
 
Yeah, that's me. Mr. Reality. Ask anyone who knows me. My positive feeling is from the way we improved and finished strong. One has to think there are scoreboard watchers in Providence, Chestnut Hill and Lowell hoping they don't draw us next week.

Point of clarification, my expectations - top 4 HEA regular season, advance to Garden, win at Garden somewhat consistently, qualify for NCAA's, win NCAA games somewhat consistently - are over a period of time, not a specific (especially this) year.

Darius - like the positive thinking, and I've enjoyed the stat-padding run of the last 7 games (3.86 GF vs. 1.14 GAA in the 7 wins).

That stated, playing. 6 of 7 in the Whitt, with 6 of the 7 against lower-tier HEA opponents (lower tier could be used to describe us!) is a bit different than what we're about to face.

Playing at the Coffin or Conte against the top-ish tier of HEA has me a bit concerned.... Our frosh haven't experienced this type of playoff atmosphere.

That stated, this isn't exactly the best BC or PC program..... In fact, HEA in general appears to be on a down year...

that stated, I can't figure out a coherent point to make. I guess I can't come to a conclusion - will make next weekend more fun. No expectations, no idea what we'll see. House money right now....
 
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I am rooting for ME. I know this because I just threw my arms up in the air. Or maybe I'm just rooting for this game to continue since there's nothing better to watch on TV.
 
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