UNH Wildcats - Marty Scarano

[Ryan422]

Re: UNH Wildcats - Marty Scarano

Chuck pretty much nailed it. As always.

And I agree with him and Zlax, if the altercation was as exaggerated and intense as prideofthecats claims it was, I feel like other people(spectators) would have witnessed it and this side of the story would have already came out. That's just my humble opinion though.

I mean people sit right behind the bench, right? There's gotta be fans who witnessed this....

 

[DC78-82]

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Funny, really, reading your account of the "incident", because as a former FOWH Board member (all of three weeks) I was a part of the meeting with marty, and even HIS version of timeline and events doesn't match yours, although the cocky know it all attitude is familiar. I'll comment on your diatribe and note where the discrepancies are.

Heeeeey everyone I'm baaaaack

Didn't miss you.

Ok, get ready for the real story and my input (which I know most of you won't care about, but I'll throw it in anyway just for kicks)

I'll get the popcorn.

Your coach is the authority figure, the one everyone is supposed to listen to and follow.

If the player had had that respectful attitude on November 30, none of this would exist. She turned her back as he was speaking, something she has done on multiple occasions. I too have friends close to the program - players, parents, who have told me on numerous occasions about witnessing the disrespect in practice, long before November 30.

-He has said that the incident only came to light because a roommate's parent complained. One, that "roommate" would have had to have been a teammate since virtually everyone on the team lives with other teammates.

Even marty admitted this.

Also, the incident was also reported by two members of the staff who were on the bench at the time.

They were called in after marty got the call on Monday, and told they had 48 hours to file a report, or else.....

"First, Coach is not running from the incident. "Yeah, I did it, and this is what happened."" That is EXACTLY the response he wants from people. It's kind of like an 'Oh, well he admitted he did this wrong so that must be all that he did.'

It's his side of the story, his version of events. It would be kind of like when someone dressed up as Santa at the Dartmouth game just before break, and stood in the tunnel waiting for the team to take the ice between periods. I saw the video. It looked to me like Santa Claus was accosting the players - jumping at them and even swinging his arms at some of them. Some had to swerve out of the way, almost off the matting to avoid being body slammed. It's true - I saw it. One of the rink attendants literally had to pull him away. That's my story. http://youtu.be/bqntqCpIumo

HOWEVER, there are a few minorrrr details that he failed to mention. It is true that he grabbed her and pulled her down. But it doesn't end there. He then pinned her to the bench, got on top of her, grabbed her mask, shook her head(slamming the mask repeatedly into her chin), and stuck his finger in her mouth (all while screaming of course).

If that is truly the case, I would have done something to stop him, and I'm only his size. I wonder why nobody did, because I know the adults on that bench, and I would never question their integrity, or their ability to know right from wrong.

I wonder why the investigating detectives had to reach out to the public with an appeal for anyone who was at the game to come forward and tell what they saw? They had 15 or so players, two coaches, an athletic trainer, and equipment manager who all, according to you, saw the exact same thing, and told the exact same story.

I know that many of you will doubt my credibility (which is completely fine with me). BUT when this is all over, and the truth has come out through this police investigation, I will be back to say I told you so.
For now, I'm out of here. I'll let you all tear me apart and whatnot because that is guaranteed to happen.

I question your motives along with your credibility.

There's the truth.
WILDCARD B****ES
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYtjpIwamos

Don't really get what this adds.

 

[wildcatdc]

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Couple points....

1. I keep coming back to the same "crux of the issue" point. What REALLY happened on that bench? At this point, there are two substantially divergent views on this. And at this point, it appears that those two views may or may not see the light of day, UNDER OATH, in a court of law. (By that way, I find this really, really depressing). The fact that a large majority of the posters here have already determined which view they are aligned with DOES NOT mean that an alternative viewpoint does not exist, or is any less valid in the mind(s) of those holding that viewpoint.

While it seems that the preponderance of the evidence presented (whether eyewitness accounts, character references, etc.) would point to Coach's story as being the believable one, there has still not been a SINGLE conclusive point made in this thread that would seal the deal for me personally. Even DC 78-82's account (thank you, BTW, the most fact-oriented, "emotion-free", reasoned response thus far) goes a little soft when we get to the incident itself. (No offense intended, DC, just simply reflecting on how fact-based and informed the rest of your post was).

The other thing I'm struggling with is the fact that in one depiction, the offense seems to certainly merit SUBSTANTIAL punishment, potentially rising to the level of what was doled out. The other, probably not even close. So that leaves us with two options... we don't want to believe the one depiction, but it happened, and Coach was rightfully dismissed. OR, it was in fact the less dramatic depiction, and the firing was almost undoubtedly unjust. THE PROBLEM IS , BOTH VIEWS EXIST. And my struggle is that the administration's actions are very much congruent with the player's accusations, and are generally asymmetric in the other case. Until the minority view is disproven or considered without merit, it doesn't go away, and we have a he said/she said circus. This doesn't make the majority posters here right, and doesn't make the minority posters here wrong. (BTW, I will finally go on the record as saying that I am inclined to believe the Coach. That stated, I have not, and will not make up my mind decisively until the investigative effort is exhausted).

2. While I have also gone on record as to say that the behaviors and communications of the Admin have been balky/awkward at best, woefully misleading/character damaging at worst, I am REALLY confused by folks who think the administration should be communicating every detail, rationale, opinion, etc. That's simply ridiculous. Anyone who has watched a particularly high-profile HR action take place knows that for liability and process-oriented reasons, you simply don't expound upon these types of matters, ESPECIALLY while they are in flight. To be clear, you often don't see the gory details, even AFTER the decisions have been rendered, investigations completed, lawsuits filed/settled/decided, etc. To expect that such a high-level firing (especially for cause) would produce reams of open-kimono exposure to the general public is a little naive.

To bring it closer to home, with a NH/academia example: The Souhegan HS principal, in June 2013, (paraphrasing) "resigned to be closer to family and pursue blah blah blah". Everyone at the school knew why he was "resigning". The parents knew. The kids knew. The school board knew. The townspeople knew. Any stakeholder within a 20-mile radius knew. The Telegraph knew. Maybe even the Union Leader. It was all over social media and in comments on the various newsfeeds. However, the school board buried the story, accepted his resignation, and life goes on. That may be the case here.

 

[JB]

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Couple points....

WOW - excellent post!

This last little bit is where I will focus my comments.

However, the school board buried the story, accepted his resignation, and life goes on. That may be the case here.

If the athletic department leadership had used their heads a resignation is where this incident would have ended. The coach would have been "very sick" for a couple days maybe even missed a game or 2 with a terrible stomach virus. They would have completed enough of an investigation to have this all locked down ahead of time. At that point they would force the coach to resign over the Christmas break to spend more time with family at his home in B.C.

I really think this was an excuse to move on from Coach McCloskey for some series of reasons: team not doing well, he was a pain in the butt, he regularly smelled bad, etc. etc. none of which added up to a dismissal and this was the opportunity.

The problem is the media management of this situation was so poorly handled that they left themselves open to a number of issues from political fallout up to legal action. If the dismissal had not left a sexual overtone of male coach female player "in appropriate contact" this wouldn't have blown up this way. Additionally the desire to get to the facts wouldn’t be so passionate.

If I was University President this large a media bungle would probably cost the AD his job. Not right away, managing a large entity you need to clear the current crisis first, but within a year the AD would be moving on to other opportunities. All this negative press is not good and somebody needs to pay for the mismanagement that caused the problem.

 

[wildcatdc]

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WOW - excellent post!

This last little bit is where I will focus my comments.



If the athletic department leadership had used their heads a resignation is where this incident would have ended. The coach would have been "very sick" for a couple days maybe even missed a game or 2 with a terrible stomach virus. They would have completed enough of an investigation to have this all locked down ahead of time. At that point they would force the coach to resign over the Christmas break to spend more time with family at his home in B.C.

I really think this was an excuse to move on from Coach McCloskey for some series of reasons: team not doing well, he was a pain in the butt, he regularly smelled bad, etc. etc. none of which added up to a dismissal and this was the opportunity.

The problem is the media management of this situation was so poorly handled that they left themselves open to a number of issues from political fallout up to legal action. If the dismissal had not left a sexual overtone of male coach female player "in appropriate contact" this wouldn't have blown up this way. Additionally the desire to get to the facts wouldn’t be so passionate.

If I was University President this large a media bungle would probably cost the AD his job. Not right away, managing a large entity you need to clear the current crisis first, but within a year the AD would be moving on to other opportunities. All this negative press is not good and somebody needs to pay for the mismanagement that caused the problem.

Agreed 100%. Sorry, I should have been more clear, though.... not suggesting that it would end in his resignation (train has left that station, obviously), just that it might end in a sealed-case, radio-silent environment.

 

[Ryan422]

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Real good post wildcatdc.

I just want to comment on one aspect of this whole situation.

And my struggle is that the administration's actions are very much congruent with the player's accusations, and are generally asymmetric in the other case. Until the minority view is disproven or considered without merit, it doesn't go away, and we have a he said/she said circus. This doesn't make the majority posters here right, and doesn't make the minority posters here wrong. (BTW, I will finally go on the record as saying that I am inclined to believe the Coach. That stated, I have not, and will not make up my mind decisively until the investigative effort is exhausted).

Often times when it comes to students the administrators will easily side with them. Typically coaches/ teachers don't get to have much of a say/defense. Whether you agree with it or not, it happens.

An example: When I was in high school one day we had a substitute teacher. One of the students was kinda being a pain in the butt and the substitute made a comment to him.(I kinda forget the exact details, it was awhile ago, but nothing too egregious) Well that kid didn't like it and went to the principal's office (during the same class too ) to complain and the substitute teacher was fired by the end of the day. Again I don't know all the details but I doubt the sub had much of a say in the decision.

Another example is at the same high school one of the staff members (wasn't a teacher) called a couple students "morons". Students told the principal and the person was fired on the spot. Now I think the school was looking to get rid of this person but that gave them a great opportunity to pull the trigger right then and there (sound familiar?)

Now obviously my examples are much, much different than the McCloskey situation. But the point I'm trying to make is usually schools & administrators will be quick to side with the student/athlete rather than the teacher/coach. No matter the real truth. Especially if they've been looking for any excuse to get rid of the guy because they feel he's dragging the program down. And sometimes the actions/consequences handed down by administrators will be swift and doesn't always "fit the crime". Again, especially if they want the guy gone. That could explain the overreaction by the school to fire coach for a 'minor' incident. Certainly you feel like if the guy has been there 20 years it would have to be pretty bad. who knows. Obviously, as you said, facts could certainly come out that say the firing was justified. But until it does, and from what I've heard/read of the who situation, I don't think that it was necessary to fire him.


And JB I agree with you. The university has gotten so much bad press from this that someone needs to and will be held responsible for the whole debacle. Who and when will that happen are the questions. Only time will tell on that one I guess.

 

[Hawkieguy44]

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" I am REALLY confused by folks who think the administration should be communicating every detail, rationale, opinion, etc. That's simply ridiculous. Anyone who has watched a particularly high-profile HR action take place knows that for liability and process-oriented reasons, you simply don't expound upon these types of matters, ESPECIALLY while they are in flight. To be clear, you often don't see the gory details, even AFTER the decisions have been rendered, investigations completed, lawsuits filed/settled/decided, etc. To expect that such a high-level firing (especially for cause) would produce reams of open-kimono exposure to the general public is a little naive."

Could it be we have someone who actually speaks with clarity??? Hold on while I pick myself off the ground. Imagine that concept...that nobody involved-coaches, players, administrators- owes the fans an explanation.

"don't want to believe the one depiction, but it happened, and Coach was rightfully dismissed. OR, it was in fact the less dramatic depiction, and the firing was almost undoubtedly unjust. THE PROBLEM IS , BOTH VIEWS EXIST. "
I'm riding shotgun with ya Wildcat but there is one more scenerio... was this the final blow... were there other incidents that led up to this being the one that tipped the scale. Your post is exceptional on many levels and I agree with all you've written. I will respectfully add that common sense would indicate NOBODY wants to go thru something like this and for it to get this far would indicate either it was worse than reported OR there were more signs of the coach losing control and the control of his program.
Speaking of control, there was one post out here claiming the coach was only five foot something while the player was over six feet. SO WHAT...doesn't matter how big someone is.. it's about CONTROL...something he had obviously lost!

 

[wildcatdc]

Real good post wildcatdc.

I just want to comment on one aspect of this whole situation.


Often times when it comes to students the administrators will easily side with them. Typically coaches/ teachers don't get to have much of a say/defense. Whether you agree with it or not, it happens.

An example: When I was in high school one day we had a substitute teacher. One of the students was kinda being a pain in the butt and the substitute made a comment to him.(I kinda forget the exact details, it was awhile ago, but nothing too egregious) Well that kid didn't like it and went to the principal's office (during the same class too ) to complain and the substitute teacher was fired by the end of the day. Again I don't know all the details but I doubt the sub had much of a say in the decision.

Another example is at the same high school one of the staff members (wasn't a teacher) called a couple students "morons". Students told the principal and the person was fired on the spot. Now I think the school was looking to get rid of this person but that gave them a great opportunity to pull the trigger right then and there (sound familiar?)

Now obviously my examples are much, much different than the McCloskey situation. But the point I'm trying to make is usually schools & administrators will be quick to side with the student/athlete rather than the teacher/coach. No matter the real truth. Especially if they've been looking for any excuse to get rid of the guy because they feel he's dragging the program down. And sometimes the actions/consequences handed down by administrators will be swift and doesn't always "fit the crime". Again, especially if they want the guy gone. That could explain the overreaction by the school to fire coach for a 'minor' incident. Certainly you feel like if the guy has been there 20 years it would have to be pretty bad. who knows. Obviously, as you said, facts could certainly come out that say the firing was justified. But until it does, and from what I've heard/read of the who situation, I don't think that it was necessary to fire him.


And JB I agree with you. The university has gotten so much bad press from this that someone needs to and will be held responsible for the whole debacle. Who and when will that happen are the questions. Only time will tell on that one I guess.

Agreed, Ryan... I think it's a symptom of a hair-trigger litigious society.

 

[wildcatdc]

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"don't want to believe the one depiction, but it happened, and Coach was rightfully dismissed. OR, it was in fact the less dramatic depiction, and the firing was almost undoubtedly unjust. THE PROBLEM IS , BOTH VIEWS EXIST. "
I'm riding shotgun with ya Wildcat but there is one more scenerio... was this the final blow... were there other incidents that led up to this being the one that tipped the scale. Your post is exceptional on many levels and I agree with all you've written. I will respectfully add that common sense would indicate NOBODY wants to go thru something like this and for it to get this far would indicate either it was worse than reported OR there were more signs of the coach losing control and the control of his program.
Speaking of control, there was one post out here claiming the coach was only five foot something while the player was over six feet. SO WHAT...doesn't matter how big someone is.. it's about CONTROL...something he had obviously lost!

Agreed with your alternative scenario.... Somewhere way back on this thread, I wondered aloud whether this was the culmination of a series of incidents.

 

[skiracer]

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https://soundcloud.com/espn-new-hampshire/boston-globess-kevin-paul
Interesting interview with kevin dupont of globe discussing his reporting of the mccloskey situation.

 

[skiracer]

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oops. soundcloud.com/espn-new-hampshire/globess-kevin-paul

 

[Czarry]

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Hoop team loses to UVM last night by 35 at home....but I guess Marty has the program moving in the right direction.....

 

[Czarry]

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oops, forgot....loss #20.....

 

[ClOuD 9]

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In the audio interview with Kevin Paul Dupont of the Globe linked in this thread (<a href="https://soundcloud.com/espn-new-hampshire/boston-globess-kevin-paul">https://soundcloud.com/espn-new-hampshire/boston-globess-kevin-paul</a>) Kevin says McCloskey was given a 3 year extension in the summer of '13.
This is odd to me as
(A): There was no press release on the website (<a href="http://unhwildcats.com/sports/wice/2013-14/news">http://unhwildcats.com/sports/wice/2013-14/news</a>)
(B): McCloskey was pretty adamant publicly the last time he got an extension (2009? 2010?) that it would be his last.
(C): IF the AD were looking to dump him for results related reasons why would they have given him a 3 year extension over the summer?

I can't wrap my head around this little bit of info.

EDIT: Dupont was also shown the termination letter and relays that there was no mention of prior transgressions in it, it was solely based around this one incident.

 

[Chuck Murray]

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In related news ... word has reached me from multiple sources that BB35 has just recently begun cracking down and restricting access to the press box at the Whittemore Center. The move appears to be targeted towards at least two people who have had the nerve to take public stances supporting Coach McCloskey, and criticizing UNH's handling of his dismissal. One of those people is a prominent media member whose name would be familiar to anyone who's followed the UNH Men's and Women's Hockey programs over the years.

I guess when it comes to "The House That Marty Built", desperate times call for desperate (territorial) measures ...

 

[The Zlax45]

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In related news ... word has reached me from multiple sources that BB35 has just recently begun cracking down and restricting access to the press box at the Whittemore Center. The move appears to be targeted towards at least two people who have had the nerve to take public stances supporting Coach McCloskey, and criticizing UNH's handling of his dismissal. One of those people is a prominent media member whose name would be familiar to anyone who's followed the UNH Men's and Women's Hockey programs over the years.

I guess when it comes to "The House That Marty Built", desperate times call for desperate (territorial) measures ...

This person you are talking about needs to make this public....If they do, it becomes a bigger disaster for UNH Athletics.

 

[ClOuD 9]

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In related news ... word has reached me from multiple sources that BB35 has just recently begun cracking down and restricting access to the press box at the Whittemore Center. The move appears to be targeted towards at least two people who have had the nerve to take public stances supporting Coach McCloskey, and criticizing UNH's handling of his dismissal. One of those people is a prominent media member whose name would be familiar to anyone who's followed the UNH Men's and Women's Hockey programs over the years.

I guess when it comes to "The House That Marty Built", desperate times call for desperate (territorial) measures ...

These started appearing on the press boxes during the Vermont weekend:
<img src="http://i59.tinypic.com/351imom.png">

 

[Scott]

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These started appearing on the press boxes during the Vermont weekend:
<img src="http://i59.tinypic.com/351imom.png">

"Press box is for working media only"???

Um....maybe I'm missing something here, but aren't the media assigned to specific press box seats at the Whitt? Which means they are all "working media"??

What is "non-working" media??

 

[wildcatdc]

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"Press box is for working media only"???

Um....maybe I'm missing something here, but aren't the media assigned to specific press box seats at the Whitt? Which means they are all "working media"??

What is "non-working" media??

Compuserve, Newsweek (in hardcopy), MySpace....

Sorry, couldn't resist.


And yes, this is the most ridiculous sign imaginable. Petty, immature.

EDIT: At least it was in the correct font.

 

[Hux]

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"Press box is for working media only"???

Um....maybe I'm missing something here, but aren't the media assigned to specific press box seats at the Whitt? Which means they are all "working media"??

What is "non-working" media??

Not for women's games...because there are rarely any media in attendance..other than a long time reporter/videographer who is credentialed by the athletic department, and myself, who is not.

No big deal for me, I am only in the press box when I edit photos that are then passed on to the team's SID (as they have been for the past five seasons - home and away) for use by UNH on the web site or where ever they like. Gratis, and in most cases without credit. Ironically, the last photos of mine they used were for the Ohio State weekend.

Ohio State photos