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UNH Wildcats - Marty Scarano

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If anyone's interested, another anonymous newbie (purported) "outsider" has chimed in over the last couple of days on the UNH thread in the Wonen's Hockey forum. Maybe it will be coming over here for a visit shortly ... :)
 
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Chuck Murray said:
If anyone's interested, another anonymous newbie (purported) "outsider" has chimed in over the last couple of days on the UNH thread in the Wonen's Hockey forum. Maybe it will be coming over here for a visit shortly ... :)
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Nah..."said newbie" doesn't want to make himself too obvious. ;)
 
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theprofromdover said:
UHN &Scarano made the front page of the Globe.
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<i>Heated exchange puts UNH coach’s career on hold</i> <a href="http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2014/02/17/unh-coach-grabs-hockey-player-during-game-gets-fired-few-seconds-game-clock-possibly-costs-mccloskey-his-career/3fM9yPNr9h9hfqcyFxQf1J/story.html">http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2014/02/17/unh-coach-grabs-hockey-player-during-game-gets-fired-few-seconds-game-clock-possibly-costs-mccloskey-his-career/3fM9yPNr9h9hfqcyFxQf1J/story.html</a>
(thanks to NCAA Watcher, who posted the link on the women's board)
 
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Just some random thoughts and observations taken from today's article by Kevin Paul Dupont:

* MAJOR kudos to team Captain Nicole Gifford, who went on the record with her thoughts on the entire situation;
* Kudos also to the unidentified teammate who backs up Coach's version, including the profanity (by both parties);
* Coach does not sugarcoat what he said to the player (including profanity) as part of the "altercation";
* Coach is 5'4" tall and 59 years old. The player in question is probably 20-ish and stands 6 ft. tall;
* No one from UNH would speak to Dupont as part of the article, except UNH Police Chief Paul Dean;
* BB35 and Erika Mantz would only respond to Dupont via e-mail, and basically provided very little/zero info.

Must be an *interesting* morning at Airstrip Four today ...
 
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As a complete outsider with absolutely no dog in this fight, I must say there sure seems to be something rotten in Durham.

Chuck Murray said:
* Coach does not sugarcoat what he said to the player (including profanity) as part of the "altercation";
* Coach is 5'4" tall and 59 years old. The player in question is probably 20-ish and stands 6 ft. tall;
* No one from UNH would speak to Dupont as part of the article, except UNH Police Chief Paul Dean;
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These three items caught my attention.

First, Coach is not running from the incident. "Yeah, I did it, and this is what happened.".

Second, the size advantage (especially since she was in skates, full gear, and was holding a stick) was clearly in her favor. Plus, as the article noted, she erupted at the Coach so the adrenaline was in full force.

Lastly, the silence from those declining to comment is deafening.
 
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Heeeeey everyone I'm baaaaack

For those of you who don't know me, just check out my previous posts and you'll know I caused a stir earlier in the thread because I dared to say McCloskey's firing was just (GASP):eek:

Just thought I'd chime in here really quick before you all get carried away with the Globe article today.

Ok, get ready for the real story and my input (which I know most of you won't care about, but I'll throw it in anyway just for kicks)

I'd like to say this has nothing to do with how the administration handled the situation. You guys can debate that all you want.

-First of all, I'm hearing a lot about how the "other side" won't talk (the "deafening silence"). Did it occur to anyone that they are abiding by the school's policy of not talking to the media? DUHHHHH You can debate all you want about whether or not it's the right strategy, but it is the one the school has chosen to go with and they've obviously chosen to respect it.

-Next, one highlight of the article some have chosen to focus on is the size difference between the two people and how there is no way he could have done any harm. How many of you have ever played on a sports team? (I suspect most of you.) Your coach is the authority figure, the one everyone is supposed to listen to and follow. So if your coach, an suddenly attacks you, obviously you would be a little hesitant to fight back at all. It would be like trying to fight the principle at school. So when your little 5'4" coach claims that he would be too small in comparison to do any kind of harm, keep in mind how easy it would be to hit someone who isn't trying to fight back.

-He has said that the incident only came to light because a roommate's parent complained. One, that "roommate" would have had to have been a teammate since virtually everyone on the team lives with other teammates. Also, the incident was also reported by two members of the staff who were on the bench at the time. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that he wasn't informed about this although I find it unlikely that he wouldn't know. This means that more than one member of his own staff felt that it was a severe enough offense to report it to the Athletic Department.

-I find it ironic how the people who got so mad at the girl for swearing don't bat an eye to him swearing at her. But anyway.....

Annnnnnddddddd finally, for those of you who are wondering why they would so suddenly fire a coach of 20 years.

What we have here is a perfect case of "half-truth" (or maybe he's just got some reallyy selective memory). He puts a lot of details into his story and even includes himself swearing back at her. As Chuck said, "Coach does not sugarcoat what he said to the player (including profanity) as part of the "altercation" (Btw Chuck I have a lot of respect for you and your responses even though we disagree) and as Mark Eagle said "First, Coach is not running from the incident. "Yeah, I did it, and this is what happened."" That is EXACTLY the response he wants from people. It's kind of like an 'Oh, well he admitted he did this wrong so that must be all that he did.' I don't blame him though. No one wants to incriminate themselves.

HOWEVER, there are a few minorrrr details that he failed to mention. It is true that he grabbed her and pulled her down. But it doesn't end there. He then pinned her to the bench, got on top of her, grabbed her mask, shook her head(slamming the mask repeatedly into her chin), and stuck his finger in her mouth (all while screaming of course).
Again, they really just minor things that I'm sure he didn't think would add to the story. I mean, he is getting up there in age so maybe his memory is fading a bit.

This is also why I first made my point about the size difference.


I know that many of you will doubt my credibility (which is completely fine with me). BUT when this is all over, and the truth has come out through this police investigation, I will be back to say I told you so.


For now, I'm out of here. I'll let you all tear me apart and whatnot because that is guaranteed to happen.

There's the truth.
WILDCARD B****ES
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYtjpIwamos
 
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Chuck Murray said:
Just some random thoughts and observations taken from today's article by Kevin Paul Dupont:

* MAJOR kudos to team Captain Nicole Gifford, who went on the record with her thoughts on the entire situation;
* Kudos also to the unidentified teammate who backs up Coach's version, including the profanity (by both parties);
* Coach does not sugarcoat what he said to the player (including profanity) as part of the "altercation";
* Coach is 5'4" tall and 59 years old. The player in question is probably 20-ish and stands 6 ft. tall;
* No one from UNH would speak to Dupont as part of the article, except UNH Police Chief Paul Dean;
* BB35 and Erika Mantz would only respond to Dupont via e-mail, and basically provided very little/zero info.

Must be an *interesting* morning at Airstrip Four today ...
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The size of the player is totally irrelevant. No coach, at any level of competition, EVER has the right to put their hands on a player in anger. Full stop. Fin. End. No excuse making, no context. Never.

That having been said, is dismissal the proper way to handle this? I don't think so. This could have and should have been resolved in house. You can reprimand a coach without firing them. And it certainly wasn't ok to be (purposely?) vague in the press release and damage the coaches reputation in that regard.
 
Haha, you are an idiot bud. You really don't have a clue. The article was exactly what occurred based on what I was told by players that were on the bench at the time. In fact, they said it wasn't really a big deal other than the player who was flipping out on the bench and continued to do so afterward in the team room. Did I already say that...you are an idiot?

prideofthecats said:
Heeeeey everyone I'm baaaaack

For those of you who don't know me, just check out my previous posts and you'll know I caused a stir earlier in the thread because I dared to say McCloskey's firing was just (GASP):eek:

Just thought I'd chime in here really quick before you all get carried away with the Globe article today.

Ok, get ready for the real story and my input (which I know most of you won't care about, but I'll throw it in anyway just for kicks)

I'd like to say this has nothing to do with how the administration handled the situation. You guys can debate that all you want.

-First of all, I'm hearing a lot about how the "other side" won't talk (the "deafening silence"). Did it occur to anyone that they are abiding by the school's policy of not talking to the media? DUHHHHH You can debate all you want about whether or not it's the right strategy, but it is the one the school has chosen to go with and they've obviously chosen to respect it.

-Next, one highlight of the article some have chosen to focus on is the size difference between the two people and how there is no way he could have done any harm. How many of you have ever played on a sports team? (I suspect most of you.) Your coach is the authority figure, the one everyone is supposed to listen to and follow. So if your coach, an suddenly attacks you, obviously you would be a little hesitant to fight back at all. It would be like trying to fight the principle at school. So when your little 5'4" coach claims that he would be too small in comparison to do any kind of harm, keep in mind how easy it would be to hit someone who isn't trying to fight back.

-He has said that the incident only came to light because a roommate's parent complained. One, that "roommate" would have had to have been a teammate since virtually everyone on the team lives with other teammates. Also, the incident was also reported by two members of the staff who were on the bench at the time. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that he wasn't informed about this although I find it unlikely that he wouldn't know. This means that more than one member of his own staff felt that it was a severe enough offense to report it to the Athletic Department.

-I find it ironic how the people who got so mad at the girl for swearing don't bat an eye to him swearing at her. But anyway.....

Annnnnnddddddd finally, for those of you who are wondering why they would so suddenly fire a coach of 20 years.

What we have here is a perfect case of "half-truth" (or maybe he's just got some reallyy selective memory). He puts a lot of details into his story and even includes himself swearing back at her. As Chuck said, "Coach does not sugarcoat what he said to the player (including profanity) as part of the "altercation" (Btw Chuck I have a lot of respect for you and your responses even though we disagree) and as Mark Eagle said "First, Coach is not running from the incident. "Yeah, I did it, and this is what happened."" That is EXACTLY the response he wants from people. It's kind of like an 'Oh, well he admitted he did this wrong so that must be all that he did.' I don't blame him though. No one wants to incriminate themselves.

HOWEVER, there are a few minorrrr details that he failed to mention. It is true that he grabbed her and pulled her down. But it doesn't end there. He then pinned her to the bench, got on top of her, grabbed her mask, shook her head(slamming the mask repeatedly into her chin), and stuck his finger in her mouth (all while screaming of course).
Again, they really just minor things that I'm sure he didn't think would add to the story. I mean, he is getting up there in age so maybe his memory is fading a bit.

This is also why I first made my point about the size difference.


I know that many of you will doubt my credibility (which is completely fine with me). BUT when this is all over, and the truth has come out through this police investigation, I will be back to say I told you so.


For now, I'm out of here. I'll let you all tear me apart and whatnot because that is guaranteed to happen.

There's the truth.
WILDCARD B****ES
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYtjpIwamos
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Obviously this beetchie hockey player should be playing basketball at 6'0' tall. Its her gd mom's fault. Is scarface in jail yet?
 
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If there is any truth to what prideofthecats has just shared with us, then i think we have a whole different kettle of fish, and would (if true) explain an awful lot about the administration's actions and the subsequent police investigation. Simple as that.

I'm Not forming an opinion as to the veracity of the story, but it appears that there is at least one other perspective in play here. Several of you asked POTC to share his/her details they've been shared now. For all the "certainty" of how the incident went down, this, at a minimum, makes for interesting reading.
 
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If coach gave the player the Bobby Knight treatment than absolutely there is a case for what the University has done. However, I do think that a fellow player or assistant would have seen that ongoing and attempted to stop that kind of treatment of a student athlete at the time. I am still waiting for someone to pull the game tape and show the smoking gun. If the University had it, don't you think it would be out by now? This still smells of a player coach disagreement that somehow got the athletic administration involved, and the University was looking for a way to have the firing be with cause.

There are no winners in this story, and really is going to set back the Women's Hockey Program for awhile. I hope Marty was thinking of the collateral damage.
 
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prideofthecats said:
Look I am sorry I cannot say exactly what happened out of respect for the university and the girls on the team. I am just a student who is friends with a lot of girls on the team. I only commented on this thread because I was surprised how many people were accusing the girls of lying, etc. I GUARANTEE you would have no problem with the university's decision if you knew what happened on the bench during the game and its repercussions afterward. I honestly wish I could just tell you all what happened so that I could stop being yelled at also. Don't you think he would have to do something severe to be fired after 20 years of coaching? Again, I apologize that I cannot say what happened even though most of you won't believe what I'm saying.
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prideofthecats said:
Annnnnnddddddd finally, for those of you who are wondering why they would so suddenly fire a coach of 20 years.

What we have here is a perfect case of "half-truth" (or maybe he's just got some reallyy selective memory). He puts a lot of details into his story and even includes himself swearing back at her. As Chuck said, "Coach does not sugarcoat what he said to the player (including profanity) as part of the "altercation" (Btw Chuck I have a lot of respect for you and your responses even though we disagree) and as Mark Eagle said "First, Coach is not running from the incident. "Yeah, I did it, and this is what happened."" That is EXACTLY the response he wants from people. It's kind of like an 'Oh, well he admitted he did this wrong so that must be all that he did.' I don't blame him though. No one wants to incriminate themselves.

HOWEVER, there are a few minorrrr details that he failed to mention. It is true that he grabbed her and pulled her down. But it doesn't end there. He then pinned her to the bench, got on top of her, grabbed her mask, shook her head(slamming the mask repeatedly into her chin), and stuck his finger in her mouth (all while screaming of course).
Again, they really just minor things that I'm sure he didn't think would add to the story. I mean, he is getting up there in age so maybe his memory is fading a bit.

This is also why I first made my point about the size difference.


I know that many of you will doubt my credibility (which is completely fine with me). BUT when this is all over, and the truth has come out through this police investigation, I will be back to say I told you so.


For now, I'm out of here. I'll let you all tear me apart and whatnot because that is guaranteed to happen.

There's the truth.
WILDCARD B****ES
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYtjpIwamos
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Back on January 18th, you said you were "sorry I cannot say exactly what happened out of respect for the university and the girls on the team."
Now, on February 19th, you CAN say exactly what happened.

Why now? Why couldn't you say this back in mid January, but you can now?
 
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Chit , Umile pulled one of his players down to the bench in a game against UVM on national TV a few years ago. Why wasn't he fired ? Or has the admin just had to much of that bs behavior and decided to put an end to it?
 
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Patronick said:
The size of the player is totally irrelevant. No coach, at any level of competition, EVER has the right to put their hands on a player in anger. Full stop. Fin. End. No excuse making, no context. Never.
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I pointed this out merely to debunk the idea that somehow the player was physically intimidated by Coach. Considering the profanity that she initiated towards Coach, I would dare suggest she wasn't intimidated in the slightest. Beyond that, I pretty much agree with your take here. As you touch on in Part 2 below, though, I do also agree that a stern reprimand to both player and coach was in order.

Patronick said:
That having been said, is dismissal the proper way to handle this? I don't think so. This could have and should have been resolved in house. You can reprimand a coach without firing them. And it certainly wasn't ok to be (purposely?) vague in the press release and damage the coaches reputation in that regard.
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Captain Gifford termed the contents of the press release as "pretty pathetic" or something to that effect. I believe. I think 90% of us agree with her.
 
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prideofthecats said:
HOWEVER, there are a few minorrrr details that he failed to mention. It is true that he grabbed her and pulled her down. But it doesn't end there. He then pinned her to the bench, got on top of her, grabbed her mask, shook her head(slamming the mask repeatedly into her chin), and stuck his finger in her mouth (all while screaming of course).

Again, they really just minor things that I'm sure he didn't think would add to the story. I mean, he is getting up there in age so maybe his memory is fading a bit.

This is also why I first made my point about the size difference.

I know that many of you will doubt my credibility (which is completely fine with me). BUT when this is all over, and the truth has come out through this police investigation, I will be back to say I told you so.
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Just a few questions, and I'd ask that you at least consider responding IF you do care about your credibility:

* Seriously ... are you an eyewitness, or are these details obtained on a hearsay basis from others?
* IF this version were to be believed ... then why would Captain Gifford and the other unidentified teammate who spoke at length to Dupont go out of their way to back Coach's version, while having the guts to do the right thing, and ignore BB35's self-imposed (and highly self-serving) policy of silence? If your version was accurate, I'd think taking a stand in defense of a teammate, with the backing of the AD's office, would be a MUCH easier stance to take - no?
* Also - do you think both Gifford and the unidentified teammate (and others) would not be telling the investigating officers the SAME EXACT story they have related to Dupont? Do you have any reason to challenge their integrity? After all - wasn't it you who originally came on here and said others were "calling the girls liars?" Isn't that what you are doing now to Gifford and the other player(s)?
* Would Erika Mantz be distancing herself from allegations of sexual misconduct by Coach IF your version was even close to accurate?
* And again ... if your version was/is accurate, why the long delay in initiating the criminal investigation? Heck, if that version is even close to accurate, I can't imagine there NOT being a long line of witnesses to back up a victimized teammate. That just doesn't make any sense - at least not to me.

And yes - the "other side" (BB35 and his minions) won't talk, but I'm not aware of any "school policy" that prevents communications with the media. In fact, BB35 himself has been in the media since the turn of the year with breathless news about the plans for West Stadium, and how he has used his amazing powers of persuasion (Grovel, Beg, & Plead) to convince Coach MacDonnell to stay at UNH. He's also been a guest on ESPN-Henniker or something trying to defend the mess that is the Men's Basketball program. Talking to the media may actually be one of the biggest parts of BB35's job. It certainly isn't that "fundraising thing" now, is it - unless he's turned over a new leaf and located those missing benefactors he's been unable to connect with over the last dozen or so years, eh?

It's just when he's questioned about why he rashly acted to not only terminate a well-respected coach with a 20 year history at the school, but then to issue what many (including the Captain of the Women's Hockey team) feel was a ham-handed, misleading, and (to use Captain Gifford's own word) "pathetic" press release to try to explain his action, BB35 suddenly clams up and orders everyone in his fiefdom to do the same. This also includes an overt attempt to stymie/intimidate FOWH - a VOLUNTEER organization, I might add.

So when you say "this has nothing to do with how the administration handled the situation" ... many of us will disagree. Personally, I think it has EVERYTHING to do with how the admininstration (mis)handled it - especially BB35.

Anxiously awaiting your further response(s) ...
 
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