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UNH Wildcats 2017/2018 - Umile's Last Stand - The Grand Finale

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One week from today, we'll see if Souza follows 'Watcher's script for the roll-out (below).

So, how does UNH roll out the Souza era?
hope this year they have the roll-out ready, with Souza already preparing his message to the public about 1) how unacceptable the past years have been, 2) that changes will be made to finally imprint himself on the program, including setting specific goals for players because they are capable of so much more, and 3) that he can't yet announce the coaching staff, because some candidates are under contract with other teams, but that he recognizes the needs of the program, both on the ice and in recruiting, that they need a mix of PROVEN experience to assure recruits that they will get good on ice coaching, but also that they need to be aggressive in selling the program to recruits.

Dick Umile should not be at the announcement. He's had his goodbye.

This is a chance to stop looking backward, and start looking foward. No more family, history, or how good the school was for you. This is about results on the ice, and even though we expect them to avail themselves of academic opportuntiies and being good character kids, that is implied. Its the need for on-ice skills that this press conference is about.

Souza must not mention Dick Umile at all in the message, other than a brief thank him for the opportunity and all he's done, but from here on, he is not looking backward. Nobody wants to talk about the past, which is irrelevant to recruits, other than to acknowledge that changes are needed, and that there are lots of opportunities for aggressive recruiting. The message must all be about the future, and CHANGES from the past, not an attempt to fawn over it. The message -- whether true or not -- is that Mike couldn't implement all he wanted, but that he now has full control, and that all aspects of the program will be analyzed over the summer, from recruiting, coaching and fan interaction. It's also not wrong to recognize that there were missteps, from which you have learned, just as there have been missteps from the players from which he expects growth. There is now urgency, because he is accountable. That includes getting the best assistant coaches, regardless of whether they are UNH alums, and UNH is willing to pay competitive salary to get the best assistants. There are a few building blocks who provide a good base, but lots of moving parts and opportunities for Souza to bring in his guys.


(1) No way he's not going to mention Coach Umile. He has the job solely due to his predecessor;
(2) I'll be surprised if he dumps on this year's team or its results. He owns a good part of that too;
(3) He won't be making any pronouncements about his hands being tied the last 3 years, even if true;
(4) Fully expect to see Coach Stewart there IF he's indeed returning;
(5) I don't expect any announcement (or even any mention) of the other incoming assistant issue;
(6) Coach Umile won't attend. As he said in concluding his presser, "he doesn't need me" (or words to that effect).

I think 'Watcher's point is that he might not say a lot of these things, but his message must be clear and leave no doubt that what has happened the last few seasons will indeed CHANGE. The direction of the program for far too long has been downwards, even when it's been slow and subtle. The last few seasons, it's become a death spiral. Turning things around from that starting point is going to take a lot more than a great personality and institutional knowledge of all things UNH. It's going to be a 24/7/365 proposition for a few years at least for Souza, and if he doesn't see it that way, then he's kidding himself if he thinks less will suffice in his new job.

Good luck, Coach Souza. JMHO.
 
Re: UNH Wildcats 2017/2018 - Umile's Last Stand - The Grand Finale

One week from today, we'll see if Souza follows 'Watcher's script for the roll-out (below).

Souza must not mention Dick Umile at all in the message, other than a brief thank him for the opportunity and all he's done, but from here on, he is not looking backward. Nobody wants to talk about the past, which is irrelevant to recruits, other than to acknowledge that changes are needed, and that there are lots of opportunities for aggressive recruiting. The message must all be about the future, and CHANGES from the past, not an attempt to fawn over it. The message -- whether true or not -- is that Mike couldn't implement all he wanted, but that he now has full control, and that all aspects of the program will be analyzed over the summer, from recruiting, coaching and fan interaction. It's also not wrong to recognize that there were missteps, from which you have learned, just as there have been missteps from the players from which he expects growth. There is now urgency, because he is accountable. That includes getting the best assistant coaches, regardless of whether they are UNH alums, and UNH is willing to pay competitive salary to get the best assistants. There are a few building blocks who provide a good base, but lots of moving parts and opportunities for Souza to bring in his guys. [/I]

Give me a break, who really gives a flying s***t what Souza says in his presser? We all know and agree the past few seasons have been a total train wreck and are unacceptable, do we need him to express that, to admit to missteps? Will that somehow make us believe that everything in the world of UNH Hockey is now all right, no more worries? Don't acknowledge Dick, really? He must not mention the coach who was a bounce of the puck away from winning a national title, the man who was vital in the building of the Whittemore Center, the guy who is the most successful coach in UNH hockey history, just ignore that?

Personally, I couldn't care less about what Souza says during this announcement. Results are what matter, and that will take more than a five minute press conference to see where we stand.
 
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Give me a break, who really gives a flying s***t what Souza says in his presser? We all know and agree the past few seasons have been a total train wreck and are unacceptable, do we need him to express that, to admit to missteps? Will that somehow make us believe that everything in the world of UNH Hockey is now all right, no more worries? Don't acknowledge Dick, really? He must not mention the coach who was a bounce of the puck away from winning a national title, the man who was vital in the building of the Whittemore Center, the guy who is the most successful coach in UNH hockey history, just ignore that?

Personally, I couldn't care less about what Souza says during this announcement. Results are what matter, and that will take more than a five minute press conference to see where we stand.
A bounce and a Vanek away from winning two national titles.
 
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Give me a break, who really gives a flying s***t what Souza says in his presser? We all know and agree the past few seasons have been a total train wreck and are unacceptable, do we need him to express that, to admit to missteps? Will that somehow make us believe that everything in the world of UNH Hockey is now all right, no more worries? Don't acknowledge Dick, really? He must not mention the coach who was a bounce of the puck away from winning a national title, the man who was vital in the building of the Whittemore Center, the guy who is the most successful coach in UNH hockey history, just ignore that?

Personally, I couldn't care less about what Souza says during this announcement. Results are what matter, and that will take more than a five minute press conference to see where we stand.

I think the points 'Watcher was trying to make - and I'll adopt it as mine too - is that Souza has to make it clear that he is not beholden to continuing the approach over the last several seasons by his predecessor, which MS himself has been entangled in over the last three seasons as lead assistant. I think we all agree that it's going to take more than a few platitudes at an introductory press conference to get that message over, but as they say out there in the real world ... you never get a second chance to make a good first impression. :)

You can choose to disagree if you'd like, but there is a perception out there that Souza has been too deferential to Umile, incrementally over the last three seasons. Playing devil's advocate for a moment ... if you're going to embark on this unusual three year apprenticeship program for your hand-picked successor, doesn't it kind of make sense to gradually give him a little more input into the decision-making and leadership of the program as you approach the transition date? Year One, yeah, sit right here kid and watch how it's done. Year Two, maybe you try to pick some spots where you give the kid some slack to try some things out. Year Three, the "kid" is less than a season away from captaining the ship, he's been observing and growing for two seasons ... don't you want him to be taking more ownership? Isn't that why you did it this way in the first place?

:confused:

Is it Umile's fault for not trusting his hand-picked guy a little more than outwards appearances suggest he has? is it Souza's fault for not being less deferential in asking for more responsibility?? Maybe everything over these last few seasons has been going exactly according to the seamless plan that they put in place almost 3 years ago now???

I think these are all fair questions to ask, but I do agree, we're not going to get any answers overnight.
 
Give me a break, who really gives a flying s***t what Souza says in his presser? We all know and agree the past few seasons have been a total train wreck and are unacceptable, do we need him to express that, to admit to missteps? Will that somehow make us believe that everything in the world of UNH Hockey is now all right, no more worries? Don't acknowledge Dick, really? He must not mention the coach who was a bounce of the puck away from winning a national title, the man who was vital in the building of the Whittemore Center, the guy who is the most successful coach in UNH hockey history, just ignore that?

Personally, I couldn't care less about what Souza says during this announcement. Results are what matter, and that will take more than a five minute press conference to see where we stand.

Thanks Dale. My sentiments exactly. As we all know, talk is cheap. Today Umile has his presser. Souza was not there because it was Dick’s day. A week from today, Souza will have HIS press conference and his former coach will not be there, because it is Mike Souza’s day. In both instances words mean little, although I’ll be interested in hearing what Umile has to say if asked about his legacy. And I will be interested to hear what Souza has to say,,if anything, if he is asked about his plan to return the program to his prior lofty heights. And, btw, I’d be interested in Scarano’s expectations. Not a peep out of him.

Speaking of those lofty heights. With caveat that the starting point is much, much lower, if Mike Souza is able to duplicate the success of Umile’s first 10 years in say, 12 or 13 years time, will people be satisfied?
 
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"I told the team I feel personally horrible that i didn't coach them better in their Senior Year". What? This is a quote from a UNH coach (not Umile) after their playoff loss. It's your job to coach them better. You are a D1 coach. I do not know their situation but I find that comment inexcusable. If this is what UNH thinks is ok....no wonder we are in the shape we're in. Not acceptable!

Sorry just am struggling with the fact that a coach would openly admit they didn't do their job effectively when that is what they get paid to do ESP at this level. Trust me everyone who has ever coached surely has to self reflect and evaluate and no one is perfect. But man DO YOUR JOB.
 
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Speaking of those lofty heights. With caveat that the starting point is much, much lower, if Mike Souza is able to duplicate the success of Umile’s first 10 years in say, 12 or 13 years time, will people be satisfied?

Yes, absolutely. I think that has to be the expectation, though. Granted, Coach Umile had the advantage of Coach Kullen's promising batch of recruits that he walked into, under tragic circumstances. But isn't it fair to say Souza has had the last three seasons to recruit for his own teams already, and if that group isn't up to what Kullen had done (and I think you'd agree it's not even close) ... isn't that on Souza?

I'm willing to be patient, but to a point. I want to see who Souza brings in to "buy the groceries" for him, because frankly Souza's work on the road these last three seasons has been underwhelming. Ditto Stewart. I refuse to believe Coach Umile was telling his assistants who to recruit/not to recruit, given the time it takes between getting a commit, and then getting them to matriculate. I just want to see progress, the sooner the better. If it's the Gendron version that we're seeing up in Orono ... no thanks, I'll pass, bring on the national search. JMHO.
 
"I told the team I feel personally horrible that i didn't coach them better in their Senior Year". What? This is a quote from a UNH coach (not Umile) after their playoff loss. It's your job to coach them better. You are a D1 coach. I do not know their situation but I find that comment inexcusable. If this is what UNH thinks is ok....no wonder we are in the shape we're in. Not acceptable!

Sorry just am struggling with the fact that a coach would openly admit they didn't do their job effectively when that is what they get paid to do ESP at this level. Trust me everyone who has ever coached surely has to self reflect and evaluate and no one is perfect. But man DO YOUR JOB.

At the end of the 1995-1996 season, the first year in the Whit, UNH had won only 12 games. And this was a team that included, among others, Eric Boguniecki, Mark Mowers, Jason Krog, Eric Nickulas, and Todd Hall. The first FOH board meeting after the season ended, Umile walked into the meeting room and apologized for “not getting it done.”

I think the most telling thing in presser was when he was talking about the compete level of the team. In so many words he said it was as high as it had ever been at UNH. Well, that’s all you have to know. It wasn’t that his guys didn’t play hard enough, it was the fact they, as a group, were not good enough. That’s what is on him.
 
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At the end of the 1995-1996 season, the first year in the Whit, UNH had won only 12 games. And this was a team that included, among others, Eric Boguniecki, Mark Mowers, Jason Krog, Eric Nickulas, and Todd Hall. The first FOH board meeting after the season ended, Umile walked into the meeting room and apologized for “not getting it done.”

"Among others" also means Derek Bekar, Tommy Nolan and Tim Murray. Strong talent, bad season. It happens.
 
"Among others" also means Derek Bekar, Tommy Nolan and Tim Murray. Strong talent, bad season. It happens.

That team was very poor defensively, with Trent Cavicchi in net. The backup Brian LaPierre who, if my recollection is correct, finally started playing toward the end of the season. He wasn’t great but the next year he won some games for UNH until he lost his job to Sean Matile, who became eligible after, I think, 10 games.
 
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"I told the team I feel personally horrible that i didn't coach them better in their Senior Year". What? This is a quote from a UNH coach (not Umile) after their playoff loss. It's your job to coach them better. You are a D1 coach. I do not know their situation but I find that comment inexcusable. If this is what UNH thinks is ok....no wonder we are in the shape we're in. Not acceptable!

Sorry just am struggling with the fact that a coach would openly admit they didn't do their job effectively when that is what they get paid to do ESP at this level. Trust me everyone who has ever coached surely has to self reflect and evaluate and no one is perfect. But man DO YOUR JOB.
Isn't he just taking the blame instead of putting it on the players? You want him tell them they aren't good enough?

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That team was very poor defensively, with Trent Cavicchi in net. The backup Brian LaPierre who, if my recollection is correct, finally started playing toward the end of the season. He wasn’t great but the next year he won some games for UNH until he lost his job to Sean Matile, who became eligible after, I think, 10 games.

Brian Larochelle (but you knew that :) ) ... and yeah, it was still a different game then, and it took a few more years before Coach Umile got religion on the importance of top-quality defense, giving up some of the old firewagon hockey style his teams preferred in the years leading up to that first "peak" in the late '90's.

Interestingly, two of the frosh defenders from that '95/'96 team (Steve O'Brien especially, plus Christian Bragnalo) were regulars on the top two D-pairings during the run to the '99 FF Finals.

God, I do miss the good ol' days ... especially at this time of the year. :(
 
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I wonder if that is a better way to build a team. Everyone seems to go defensive system and goalie, trap to be competitive and try to build that way. Doesn't seem to be a fast process. I wonder if going back to fire wagon might be a different approach. Certainly more entertaining for the fans.
 
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Isn't he just taking the blame instead of putting it on the players? You want him tell them they aren't good enough?

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You know Wally (Chuck's name for you hope you don't mind if I use it?) I gave it some thought..and can agree with what you are saying. I know that team has 2/3 exceptional players and maybe he wanted so much more for them in particular. Maybe I took the post literally; I know this coach has a lot of passion for his team and just think it's shell shock at this point with the season we just had. Anyway... I can re adjust my thoughts about it to a degree...still those players were good enough; and like I said, I don't know how this team operates. At the same time; I couldn't help but scratch my head about the comment, fwiw dept.
 
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Brian Larochelle (but you knew that :) ) ... and yeah, it was still a different game then, and it took a few more years before Coach Umile got religion on the importance of top-quality defense, giving up some of the old firewagon hockey style his teams preferred in the years leading up to that first "peak" in the late '90's.

Interestingly, two of the frosh defenders from that '95/'96 team (Steve O'Brien especially, plus Christian Bragnalo) were regulars on the top two D-pairings during the run to the '99 FF Finals.

God, I do miss the good ol' days ... especially at this time of the year. :(

I knew he was French, from Manchester, baseball catcher. Do miss those days. Say it all the time that some of the greatest fun I have in my life was following UNH Hockey with my wife and our friends.
 
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...giving up some of the old firewagon hockey style his teams preferred in the years leading up to that first "peak" in the late '90's.

Yeah, but was that FUN to watch! A he** of a lot more interesting than watching a trap and a dump and chase and "puck control" (meaning put two guys down low behind the goal line and kick it around the boards so they can play "keep away") offense. And since (at least on a couple of other threads) the attendance "elephant in the room" issue has been mentioned, I can tell you that this is one reason why I go to fewer games. Frankly, many teams just play a boring style. And that's deadly in a sport where scoring is minuscule at best.
 
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Yeah, but was that FUN to watch! A he** of a lot more interesting than watching a trap and a dump and chase and "puck control" (meaning put two guys down low behind the goal line and kick it around the boards so they can play "keep away") offense. And since (at least on a couple of other threads) the attendance "elephant in the room" issue has been mentioned, I can tell you that this is one reason why I go to fewer games. Frankly, many teams just play a boring style. And that's deadly in a sport where scoring is minuscule at best.


4 on 4. Skating, puck control, features skill, and fewer injuries because more space for players to slip big hits, so the hitters don't gamble as much. It's save the NHL too, but cost too many jobs for players.
 
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