Based on the two games that I have seen at the Whitt, I do not agree with this take on TyK. He has 3 goals and 2 assists in four games for a 1.25 PPG average. But, his assists could be a lot more if his two line mates could get themselves in the open when TyK is drawing the attention of two and sometimes three defenders. But Nazarian and Salvaggio have constantly been out of position throughout the two games that I have seen. I am not saying that TyK is on the level of Mark Mowers, and I agree that he would be a third or fourth liner on those teams from 1998 to 2003, as would have been nearly all of our forwards from the past decade.
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UNH Wildcats 2016-17 -- We're Going to Have a Hockey Season Here!!
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Based on the two games that I have seen at the Whitt, I do not agree with this take on TyK. He has 3 goals and 2 assists in four games for a 1.25 PPG average. But, his assists could be a lot more if his two line mates could get themselves in the open when TyK is drawing the attention of two and sometimes three defenders. But Nazarian and Salvaggio have constantly been out of position throughout the two games that I have seen. I am not saying that TyK is on the level of Mark Mowers, and I agree that he would be a third or fourth liner on those teams from 1998 to 2003, as would have been nearly all of our forwards from the past decade.
HockeyRef
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Re: UNH Wildcats 2016-17 -- We're Going to Have a Hockey Season Here!!
Thanks, will make note of the particulars! For the record, I never said Tyk was Mark Mowers...geesh
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Think he (TyK) will make the video one day??
Thanks, will make note of the particulars! For the record, I never said Tyk was Mark Mowers...geesh
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Think he (TyK) will make the video one day??
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Greg Ambrose
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So which is it?
So which is it?
Greg Ambrose
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"You mention the great ones in your post; Mark Mowers, etc. There IS a great one on the ice, right now, and that's Tyler Kelleher."
Thanks, will make note of the particulars! For the record, I never said Tyk was Mark Mowers...geesh
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Think he (TyK) will make the video one day??
"You mention the great ones in your post; Mark Mowers, etc. There IS a great one on the ice, right now, and that's Tyler Kelleher."
Chuck Murray
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I want us to be completely proven wrong on this too ... but this is pretty much where I'm at.
It might go a long way towards steadying the ship and brightening the long-term outlook if Souza and/or Stewart could land even 1-2 top-shelf prospects. Or latch onto a kid or two who move on from top programs that have "Cedorchucked". Or just land someone any of our recruiting gurus might recognize without having to Google them. But as 'watcher pointed out on the (purported) recruiting thread, the silence from the recruiting side has been deafening.
I think there's a pretty decent batch of talent on board right now in the forward positions, now that some of the weaker classes of the Borek regime have worked their way through. But if you don't start to supplement that quickly, then you're going to have another year or two of a gap right behind the Grasso/Blackburn et als class, and we'll be having this discussion all over again.
And that's not even mentioning the alarming lack of incoming talent on the blue line. And to think, only 3 seasons ago, UNH put out the likes of TvR/Knoedel, Pesce/Hardowa and Cleland/Maller (I think I'm missing someone?
). In 4+ months that's all going to be gone, and with all due respect to the guys who are on the blue line now ... let's just say the drop-off in this area has been alarming, and signs of a change of course are thin on the ground.
I want us to be completely proven wrong on this too ... but this is pretty much where I'm at.
It might go a long way towards steadying the ship and brightening the long-term outlook if Souza and/or Stewart could land even 1-2 top-shelf prospects. Or latch onto a kid or two who move on from top programs that have "Cedorchucked". Or just land someone any of our recruiting gurus might recognize without having to Google them. But as 'watcher pointed out on the (purported) recruiting thread, the silence from the recruiting side has been deafening.
I think there's a pretty decent batch of talent on board right now in the forward positions, now that some of the weaker classes of the Borek regime have worked their way through. But if you don't start to supplement that quickly, then you're going to have another year or two of a gap right behind the Grasso/Blackburn et als class, and we'll be having this discussion all over again.
And that's not even mentioning the alarming lack of incoming talent on the blue line. And to think, only 3 seasons ago, UNH put out the likes of TvR/Knoedel, Pesce/Hardowa and Cleland/Maller (I think I'm missing someone?
). In 4+ months that's all going to be gone, and with all due respect to the guys who are on the blue line now ... let's just say the drop-off in this area has been alarming, and signs of a change of course are thin on the ground.E.J. Smith
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Kessel?
I want us to be completely proven wrong on this too ... but this is pretty much where I'm at.
It might go a long way towards steadying the ship and brightening the long-term outlook if Souza and/or Stewart could land even 1-2 top-shelf prospects. Or latch onto a kid or two who move on from top programs that have "Cedorchucked". Or just land someone any of our recruiting gurus might recognize without having to Google them. But as 'watcher pointed out on the (purported) recruiting thread, the silence from the recruiting side has been deafening.
I think there's a pretty decent batch of talent on board right now in the forward positions, now that some of the weaker classes of the Borek regime have worked their way through. But if you don't start to supplement that quickly, then you're going to have another year or two of a gap right behind the Grasso/Blackburn et als class, and we'll be having this discussion all over again.
And that's not even mentioning the alarming lack of incoming talent on the blue line. And to think, only 3 seasons ago, UNH put out the likes of TvR/Knoedel, Pesce/Hardowa and Cleland/Maller (I think I'm missing someone?
Kessel?
Best player on the ice this year, but agreed, not a "great one" in UNH hockey history.
I want us to be completely proven wrong on this too ... but this is pretty much where I'm at.
It might go a long way towards steadying the ship and brightening the long-term outlook if Souza and/or Stewart could land even 1-2 top-shelf prospects. Or latch onto a kid or two who move on from top programs that have "Cedorchucked". Or just land someone any of our recruiting gurus might recognize without having to Google them. But as 'watcher pointed out on the (purported) recruiting thread, the silence from the recruiting side has been deafening.
I think there's a pretty decent batch of talent on board right now in the forward positions, now that some of the weaker classes of the Borek regime have worked their way through. But if you don't start to supplement that quickly, then you're going to have another year or two of a gap right behind the Grasso/Blackburn et als class, and we'll be having this discussion all over again.
And that's not even mentioning the alarming lack of incoming talent on the blue line. And to think, only 3 seasons ago, UNH put out the likes of TvR/Knoedel, Pesce/Hardowa and Cleland/Maller (I think I'm missing someone?
If not Kessel, Agosta?
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3 seasons ago it was Agosta, Hardowa was 4 seasons ago.
3 seasons ago it was Agosta, Hardowa was 4 seasons ago.
HockeyRef
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How's 'bout 'recent UNH Hockey History". Sorry ...didn't mean to tread on the past. Unfortunately, all we got is now. And like it or not, he is a great player. No he wouldn't be on a top line of a UNH team back in the Mowers, Souza day, and nope he didn't crack the Goumas, Sorkin, Willows line either. but dang if that matters a whole hell of a lot now. But if you want to go into just say, last year, I do believe he led the nation in assists (oh please save the second half of the season stats...I mean, we can't even appreciate players when they ARE successful in the least little bit...) Wait til next season...if we thought this year wasn't going well enough. That's all I want to say about it. I promise to not support the team anymore than I have to. It's not a good thing to do on a 'fan forum'. I need to keep reminding myself of that.... I'm surprised there's no support here for him, but maybe I shouldn't be.
How's 'bout 'recent UNH Hockey History". Sorry ...didn't mean to tread on the past. Unfortunately, all we got is now. And like it or not, he is a great player. No he wouldn't be on a top line of a UNH team back in the Mowers, Souza day, and nope he didn't crack the Goumas, Sorkin, Willows line either. but dang if that matters a whole hell of a lot now. But if you want to go into just say, last year, I do believe he led the nation in assists (oh please save the second half of the season stats...I mean, we can't even appreciate players when they ARE successful in the least little bit...) Wait til next season...if we thought this year wasn't going well enough. That's all I want to say about it. I promise to not support the team anymore than I have to. It's not a good thing to do on a 'fan forum'. I need to keep reminding myself of that.... I'm surprised there's no support here for him, but maybe I shouldn't be.
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Re: UNH Wildcats 2016-17 -- We're Going to Have a Hockey Season Here!!
I wrote that I thought TyK is the best player on the ice this year, just not great. But, assists will be hard for him to get this year, unless Nazarian and Salvaggio can figure out a way to get open, as his line mates did last season.
Need to get thread focused back on SOG.
I wrote that I thought TyK is the best player on the ice this year, just not great. But, assists will be hard for him to get this year, unless Nazarian and Salvaggio can figure out a way to get open, as his line mates did last season.
Need to get thread focused back on SOG.
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He's at least Saviano, closer to collins.
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<i>"The negativity in this town sucks...."</i> - <b>Rick Pitino</b>
Yes, how dare you actually be "realistic." Don't you know that people only want to hear POSITIVE things? I have been accused of being "negative" my entire life because I don't look at the world through rose colored (or in this case, blue colored) face masks. People would rather live in a fantasy world than discuss reality.
<i>"The negativity in this town sucks...."</i> - <b>Rick Pitino</b>
Yes, how dare you actually be "realistic." Don't you know that people only want to hear POSITIVE things? I have been accused of being "negative" my entire life because I don't look at the world through rose colored (or in this case, blue colored) face masks. People would rather live in a fantasy world than discuss reality.
I'd argue Kelleher - while not the cream of the crop - IS one of the elite forward talents in UNH history. He's going to push 150 career points. No small feat in this era of college hockey, with this era of UNH teammates and after being banished to a fourth line role as a freshman by a coach who will remain nameless...
Imagine what he would have done offensively if he played with scorers like Haydar, Collins or Hemingway or alongside fellow burners like Saviano or Bogey. Comparing him to guys like Sadowski, Shipulski, Willows or Sorkin etc is insulting. Some in this thread make it sound like he's a poor mans Johnny Rogers...
He was among the top national scorers last season playing on a two man line (team?)...
I find it ridiculous when people argue they'd rather have or prefer the inferior player who exceeds his low ceiling by 10% than the superior talent who may not meet sky high expectations, ignoring the fact that 95% of the second players potential is still double that of the former...
This is what leads to post season discussion that vilifies a Poturalski and anoints a Chris Miller. It's silly...
Imagine what he would have done offensively if he played with scorers like Haydar, Collins or Hemingway or alongside fellow burners like Saviano or Bogey. Comparing him to guys like Sadowski, Shipulski, Willows or Sorkin etc is insulting. Some in this thread make it sound like he's a poor mans Johnny Rogers...
He was among the top national scorers last season playing on a two man line (team?)...
I find it ridiculous when people argue they'd rather have or prefer the inferior player who exceeds his low ceiling by 10% than the superior talent who may not meet sky high expectations, ignoring the fact that 95% of the second players potential is still double that of the former...
This is what leads to post season discussion that vilifies a Poturalski and anoints a Chris Miller. It's silly...
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Ralph Cox and Jamie Hislop and Cliffy Cox are not comin' through that door! Krog , Haydar and Collins are not comin' through that door!
Mike Souza is though
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Chuck Murray
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Re: UNH Wildcats 2016-17 -- We're Going to Have a Hockey Season Here!!
Is that question, "What leverage does UNH have to push Umile off of the 'lifetime contract'?"
Agosta was the one I was forgetting.
And EJ mentioned Kessel, who wasn't too far removed either.
I'd say he is a better offensive player than Saviano, but lacks his all around game and leadership.
I'll 'fess up to at least being ambivalent to Poturalski's departure, and less than enamored over his second half performance (double that for some key moments in the MBPBEGAM playoffs). I'm pretty sure I've never anointed Miller. If I did, I should have my head examined ... apparently next to Coach or whomever came up with that beauty about Miller having the best wrister in HE.
I want to be clear about the comparison Greg made to the '97 Cats and where someone like Kelleher would have fit in (and I do still agree with Greg - we're talking 3rd line). Here were the first six names on the UNH forwards depth chart that season, along with the 3 frosh 3rd liners who made up the "S Line":
Eric Nickulas
Mark Mowers
Tom Nolan
Jason Krog
Derek Bekar
Eric Boguniecki
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John Sadowski (70 career pts.)
Jason Shipulski (almost 90 career pts.)
Mike Souza (over 150 career pts.)
Listen, I have a ton of time for Tyler Kelleher, but if you really think he could crack the top six on that team ... *maybe* your only argument is that he's marginally better than Nolan (the only one of those guys BTW who didn't make it to The Show), but I'd say that Nolan was a more ferocious player who played with a needed physical "edge" (of those other guys, I'd say only Bogey and Sadowski played with anything remotely approaching an "edge". But in fairness, that '97 team may have been the deepest crop of forwards UNH ever had ... and skating on the 3rd line was hardly an insult.
Ironically, I'm pretty sure the Nolans and Kellehers are pretty tight, and I've heard it on good authority that Nolan had a lot to do with the Kellehers coming to UNH.
Whither UNH next season without Kelleher up front, and without Cleland on the backline ...
Is that question, "What leverage does UNH have to push Umile off of the 'lifetime contract'?"
Agosta was the one I was forgetting.
And EJ mentioned Kessel, who wasn't too far removed either.I'd say he is a better offensive player than Saviano, but lacks his all around game and leadership.
I'll 'fess up to at least being ambivalent to Poturalski's departure, and less than enamored over his second half performance (double that for some key moments in the MBPBEGAM playoffs). I'm pretty sure I've never anointed Miller. If I did, I should have my head examined ... apparently next to Coach or whomever came up with that beauty about Miller having the best wrister in HE.
I want to be clear about the comparison Greg made to the '97 Cats and where someone like Kelleher would have fit in (and I do still agree with Greg - we're talking 3rd line). Here were the first six names on the UNH forwards depth chart that season, along with the 3 frosh 3rd liners who made up the "S Line":
Eric Nickulas
Mark Mowers
Tom Nolan
Jason Krog
Derek Bekar
Eric Boguniecki
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John Sadowski (70 career pts.)
Jason Shipulski (almost 90 career pts.)
Mike Souza (over 150 career pts.)
Listen, I have a ton of time for Tyler Kelleher, but if you really think he could crack the top six on that team ... *maybe* your only argument is that he's marginally better than Nolan (the only one of those guys BTW who didn't make it to The Show), but I'd say that Nolan was a more ferocious player who played with a needed physical "edge" (of those other guys, I'd say only Bogey and Sadowski played with anything remotely approaching an "edge". But in fairness, that '97 team may have been the deepest crop of forwards UNH ever had ... and skating on the 3rd line was hardly an insult.
Ironically, I'm pretty sure the Nolans and Kellehers are pretty tight, and I've heard it on good authority that Nolan had a lot to do with the Kellehers coming to UNH.
Whither UNH next season without Kelleher up front, and without Cleland on the backline ...
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Slight variant, from the other side of the equation.
Is that question, "What leverage does UNH have to push Umile off of the 'lifetime contract'?"
Slight variant, from the other side of the equation.
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