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UNH Wildcats 2015-2016 (Part Three) - Living in Interesting Times

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Ref - I know you're new to the game, but the "right guys" v. "best guys" quote is from Herb Brooks, possibly the greatest college hockey coach ever and the coach of the 1980 US Men's Hockey Team that defeated the Russian Juaggernaut en route the gold at the Olympics. It's been making me crazy that you could attribute it to some lowly coach like Lassonde. For more info on Brooks, please check out Boys of Winter (or Disney's Miracle).

Well I stand corrected. And yea, I do have a clue about the 1980 story and while I love 'Miracle' but haven't seen it in awhile and haven't read "Boys of Winter". Guess I better check my sources, eh? And as far as Lassonde being a lowly coach, was that the general feeling about him at the U? Dartmouth seems to have benefited from his presence... Sorry, I don't have the mega years of fandom many of you have but I thought he was well respected; would hardly call him lowly but hey, everyone is entitled to their opinion. ;) Sorry if it made you crazy. Not the first or the last time my posts will have that effect but I'll do my best to fact check next time I just name drop rather than heck, just shoot my mouth off. I mean, it could happen!!! :rolleyes:
 
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Well I stand corrected. And yea, I do have a clue about the 1980 story and while I love 'Miracle' but haven't seen it in awhile and haven't read "Boys of Winter". Guess I better check my sources, eh? And as far as Lassonde being a lowly coach, was that the general feeling about him at the U? Sorry, I don't have the mega years of fandom many of you have but I thought he was well respected; would hardly call him lowly but hey, everyone is entitled to their opinion. ;) Sorry if it made you crazy. Not the first or the last time my posts will have that effect but I'll do my best to fact check next time I just name drop rather than heck, just shoot my mouth off. I mean, it could happen!!! :rolleyes:

DL only "lowly" compared to HB, I think. Could have benefitted from DL in recent seasons. "Our team now has no D."
 
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Nothing particularly new on offer here, but still a relevant take on the UNH Hockey situation from SMG's Mike Zhe:

http://www.seacoastonline.com/article/20160325/SPORTS/160329374/-1/NEWSLETTER100

Hey Chuck

While you are correct that there is nothing here that any of us on here aren't already aware of, I do think it is significant that the second word in the article is "drama." The fact that a writer with sources much closer to the program than many of us, chooses that word speaks volumes to me that much of what has been written of and speculated about on this board is probably happening. I know in the past it has been easy to dismiss such criticisms as coming from "internet nutcases" but it seems that while the dirty laundry might not be hanging on a clothesline in plain sight, at least a few people have seen it in the basement of the Whitt.
 
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Hey Chuck

While you are correct that there is nothing here that any of us on here aren't already aware of, I do think it is significant that the second word in the article is "drama." The fact that a writer with sources much closer to the program than many of us, chooses that word speaks volumes to me that much of what has been written of and speculated about on this board is probably happening. I know in the past it has been easy to dismiss such criticisms as coming from "internet nutcases" but it seems that while the dirty laundry might not be hanging on a clothesline in plain sight, at least a few people have seen it in the basement of the Whitt.

What I find astonishing in the article is that DU is quoted as saying he thought this team would actually compete for the HEA title. Sounds out of touch with reality to me.
 
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Zhe: UNH and Maine not in NCAA tourney once again

The drama that is the NCAA Division I men’s hockey tournament began unfolding Friday: Sixteen teams, four regionals, everything leading up to the Frozen Four in Tampa, Fla.

For the third year in a row, neither the University of New Hampshire nor Maine will be a part of it. Forgettable seasons wound down earlier this month, far short of what the two fan bases have come to expect.

UNH finished 11-20-6, the first time a Dick Umile-coached team has lost 20 games and the first time one has ever finished 10th. Maine only won eight games and is now 38-61-13 in three seasons under coach Red Gendron.

Prior to this current dry spell, you’d have to go all the way back to 1996 — the Atlanta Olympics, “Macarena,” Whitewater — to find an NCAA tourney that didn’t include at least one of the rivals.

The fumes hadn’t yet dissipated when the departures began. UNH forward Andrew Poturalski, a top-10 finalist for the Hobey Baker Award and the Hockey East scoring leader, decided to forgo his final two years of college eligibility and sign with the Carolina Hurricanes; he’s currently playing in the AHL.

Maine lost junior defenseman Dan Renouf. So now we’re left wondering just where these two fierce rivals and once-proud programs go from here, after lousy seasons we didn’t see coming six months ago.

"I honestly thought we were going to be someone to get home ice and contend for that top spot (in Hockey East)," Umile told Seacoast Media Group. "We were far from it where we ended up.”

Interest is waning, too. Since the 2010-11 seasons, average attendance for games at the Whittemore Center has dropped 15 percent, to 4,892. It’s even worse in that span at Maine’s Alfond Arena, where it’s dipped 21 percent to 3,916, according to Hockey East figures.

UNH and Maine, despite their successful histories and some recruiting advantages, were always going to have to contend with programs like Boston College and Boston University. BC has owned the Massachusetts recruiting landscape for years and BU isn’t far behind.

But the Wildcats and Black Bears have also been passed by programs like reigning national champion Providence and UMass-Lowell, who are led by two of the country’s hottest young coaches in Nate Leaman and Norm Bazin, and look to be entrenched among the top tier for years to come.

Notre Dame will be exiting Hockey East after the 2016-17 season, so there’s a potential opportunity for everybody to move up one. But suddenly it’s a more crowded in that top tier than it used to be.

Coaching issues hang over both programs.

Maine had a decision to make with Gendron and pulled the trigger last month on a two-year contract extension, taking away any potential lame-duck status for next year and gambling that he’s the guy they thought he was when they hired him to replace Tim Whitehead, a guy with “presence” who could win games while spurring more interest in the program.

"We are confident in Coach Gendron's ability to continue to build the men's ice hockey program," said UMaine athletic director Karlton Creech of the contract extension. "We believe he is on the right path to success and we are committed to continuing to grow under his leadership."

Umile, meanwhile, is nearing the end of his successful tenure. Former player Mike Souza was hired away from UConn to be the coach-in-waiting, and most accounts have him replacing his mentor after two more seasons.

As is the case whenever UNH has a bad year, or fails to win a big game in the NCAAs, the fans find their voice.

“Dick Umile is a great guy and the fans appreciate his 25 years of coaching UNH men’s hockey,” said Shawn Joyce of Rye, a UNH alum and season-ticket holder, in a letter to the Herald earlier this month. “However, many of us do not understand why UNH is waiting three years to make a leadership change.”

Is it a talent issue? Could be. Of the UNH guys making the biggest pro impacts — the van Riemsdyk brothers, Daniel Winnik of the Capitals, Brett Pesce of the Hurricanes, Mike Sislo and Paul Thompson in the AHL — only Pesce wore a UNH sweater in either of the last two seasons.

At least on this side of the river, the Wildcats need to change perception in a hurry.

After what he’s accomplished at UNH, it’s hard to picture Umile going out on anything but his own terms. But if the administration is planning on two more years, plus another, say, four for Souza — a typical contract for a new coach — it better see some building blocks that this year’s record doesn’t show.

Or else a lot more NCAA tournaments are going to be going on without the Wildcats.

Mike Zhe is a Herald staff writer. He can be reached at mzhe@seacoastonline.com. Follow him on Twitter at @MikeZhe603.
 
What I find astonishing in the article is that DU is quoted as saying he thought this team would actually compete for the HEA title. Sounds out of touch with reality to me.

This.

I noted a couple times before the season just how optimistic he sounded in his quotes, etc., as he was as optimistic as I'd ever heard him. I didn't get it at the time and not many, if any, posters here got it either. He really must have thought his senior line and Tirone were something special. Which begs a lot of questions...
 
Zhe: UNH and Maine not in NCAA tourney once again

The drama that is the NCAA Division I men’s hockey tournament began unfolding Friday: Sixteen teams, four regionals, everything leading up to the Frozen Four in Tampa, Fla.

For the third year in a row, neither the University of New Hampshire nor Maine will be a part of it. Forgettable seasons wound down earlier this month, far short of what the two fan bases have come to expect.

UNH finished 11-20-6, the first time a Dick Umile-coached team has lost 20 games and the first time one has ever finished 10th. Maine only won eight games and is now 38-61-13 in three seasons under coach Red Gendron.

Prior to this current dry spell, you’d have to go all the way back to 1996 — the Atlanta Olympics, “Macarena,” Whitewater — to find an NCAA tourney that didn’t include at least one of the rivals.

The fumes hadn’t yet dissipated when the departures began. UNH forward Andrew Poturalski, a top-10 finalist for the Hobey Baker Award and the Hockey East scoring leader, decided to forgo his final two years of college eligibility and sign with the Carolina Hurricanes; he’s currently playing in the AHL.

Maine lost junior defenseman Dan Renouf. So now we’re left wondering just where these two fierce rivals and once-proud programs go from here, after lousy seasons we didn’t see coming six months ago.

"I honestly thought we were going to be someone to get home ice and contend for that top spot (in Hockey East)," Umile told Seacoast Media Group. "We were far from it where we ended up.”

Interest is waning, too. Since the 2010-11 seasons, average attendance for games at the Whittemore Center has dropped 15 percent, to 4,892. It’s even worse in that span at Maine’s Alfond Arena, where it’s dipped 21 percent to 3,916, according to Hockey East figures.

UNH and Maine, despite their successful histories and some recruiting advantages, were always going to have to contend with programs like Boston College and Boston University. BC has owned the Massachusetts recruiting landscape for years and BU isn’t far behind.

But the Wildcats and Black Bears have also been passed by programs like reigning national champion Providence and UMass-Lowell, who are led by two of the country’s hottest young coaches in Nate Leaman and Norm Bazin, and look to be entrenched among the top tier for years to come.

Notre Dame will be exiting Hockey East after the 2016-17 season, so there’s a potential opportunity for everybody to move up one. But suddenly it’s a more crowded in that top tier than it used to be.

Coaching issues hang over both programs.

Maine had a decision to make with Gendron and pulled the trigger last month on a two-year contract extension, taking away any potential lame-duck status for next year and gambling that he’s the guy they thought he was when they hired him to replace Tim Whitehead, a guy with “presence” who could win games while spurring more interest in the program.

"We are confident in Coach Gendron's ability to continue to build the men's ice hockey program," said UMaine athletic director Karlton Creech of the contract extension. "We believe he is on the right path to success and we are committed to continuing to grow under his leadership."

Umile, meanwhile, is nearing the end of his successful tenure. Former player Mike Souza was hired away from UConn to be the coach-in-waiting, and most accounts have him replacing his mentor after two more seasons.

As is the case whenever UNH has a bad year, or fails to win a big game in the NCAAs, the fans find their voice.

“Dick Umile is a great guy and the fans appreciate his 25 years of coaching UNH men’s hockey,” said Shawn Joyce of Rye, a UNH alum and season-ticket holder, in a letter to the Herald earlier this month. “However, many of us do not understand why UNH is waiting three years to make a leadership change.”

Is it a talent issue? Could be. Of the UNH guys making the biggest pro impacts — the van Riemsdyk brothers, Daniel Winnik of the Capitals, Brett Pesce of the Hurricanes, Mike Sislo and Paul Thompson in the AHL — only Pesce wore a UNH sweater in either of the last two seasons.

At least on this side of the river, the Wildcats need to change perception in a hurry.

After what he’s accomplished at UNH, it’s hard to picture Umile going out on anything but his own terms. But if the administration is planning on two more years, plus another, say, four for Souza — a typical contract for a new coach — it better see some building blocks that this year’s record doesn’t show.

Or else a lot more NCAA tournaments are going to be going on without the Wildcats.

Mike Zhe is a Herald staff writer. He can be reached at mzhe@seacoastonline.com. Follow him on Twitter at @MikeZhe603.

Thanks Felger...very interesting. Personally I expected this past season to be pretty much like last year; but it fell quite short as we know. Watching these playoff games do tell a story..
 
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He said "compete" not win it. Still, we didn't come close and as 'Ref points out, watching the playoff games does tell a story. Even in early season, one look at the size, speed and maturity of several other teams...

I hate to say it, don't even like thinking it, but this senior class stepped up less, by far, than any in memory. Jay Camper was taking a beating on the UNH thread 15 months ago, rebounded nicely and with this year as perspective looks even better.
 
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As an aside, living vicariously on other teams threads this time of year blows chunks. I've even stooped to posting on the BC thread. They must feel (((really))) bad for us 'cuz they didn't make fun of me. :)
 
He said "compete" not win it. Still, we didn't come close and as 'Ref points out, watching the playoff games does tell a story. Even in early season, one look at the size, speed and maturity of several other teams...

I hate to say it, don't even like thinking it, but this senior class stepped up less, by far, than any in memory. Jay Camper was taking a beating on the UNH thread 15 months ago, rebounded nicely and with this year as perspective looks even better.

Well heart and grit can't be taught...and a guy like Jay skated his heart out every single night. No one s going to take that OT goal away from him at PC last year. I echo your sentiments about this time of year...painful to watch. I'm also a believer that things are cyclical...there has to be a turn around. Right?!?
 
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Well heart and grit can't be taught...and a guy like Jay skated his heart out every single night. No one s going to take that OT goal away from him at PC last year. I echo your sentiments about this time of year...painful to watch. I'm also a believer that things are cyclical...there has to be a turn around. Right?!?
Only if you think about our 'cats. Don't do that! A great weekend of viewing. Comcast's sports package yearly cost justified in 56 hours. St. Cloud/Ferris State. How's that for a couple of teams you don't see every day? Looking forward to seeing how the Terriers and Angry Pigeons fare today. BC/UMD has instant classic potential. Go notSioux drub MI.
 
Only if you think about our 'cats. Don't do that! A great weekend of viewing. Comcast's sports package yearly cost justified in 56 hours. St. Cloud/Ferris State. How's that for a couple of teams you don't see every day? Looking forward to seeing how the Terriers and Angry Pigeons fare today. BC/UMD has instant classic potential. Go notSioux drub MI.

Exactly what I am thinking; how cool it would be to be there too of course!! That being said I am enjoying watching saw 3 games yesterday!! Nothing like Cawlidge Hockey!! Am pulling for NoDak to be honest...and yep that BC/UMD will be bangin'. Right now oddly enough I'm at the 'Whitt (one more time...) watching hubby's Robotics team in an event...
 
As an aside, living vicariously on other teams threads this time of year blows chunks. I've even stooped to posting on the BC thread. They must feel (((really))) bad for us 'cuz they didn't make fun of me. :)

Blowing chunks isn't my idea of a good time! LMFAO

Speaking of blowing chunks, our Hockey East brethren not fairing too well this weekend. Northeastern, I'll give a pass to because NODAK was a tough draw and PC played UMD tough obviously. BU got hammered though by Denver, similar to the 9-2 loss UNH took from them.
 
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Interesting that Wisconsin just hired a former NHL coach and NHL player (Tony Granato), with an assistant who was a former NCAA coach and NHL player (Osiecki) with a proven recruiting record, and another assistant who was head of the USA Hockey Development team (Don Granato). I am willing to bet that they are big players for recruits in the next few years, and get a quick rebuild.

Meanwhile, Mike Souza the head coach in waiting, will draw on his now five years of NCAA assistant's experience to recuit. The Beantown Classic is a good recruiting spot. Head Coaches like Bazin and Cavanagh were there, as were all the top assistants (BC, for example, had both Brown and Ayers there; Borek and Mayotte for Providence, Young and O'Connell for BU). Souza was the sole UNH coach there.

Whatever happens, he will need help, and having an inexperienced kid doing everything is inexcusable. I have to hope UNH has a plan to get him recruiting help.

On that thought, our fav, Hokydad is dropping hints on the NU board about changes, and how they might impact one of his Malden Catholic boys, Matt Filipe. Recognizing Hoky's guesswork, and adding to it, can lead to many wrong conclusions, I wonder who Souza sees as his top recruiter, and whether that guy might bring in a dissatisfied commitment who doesn't have a spot at his team, but has a connection to a team that has a glaring need.

So, just doodling the team roster the next few years, not really trying to get line combos but more just top 6, bottom 6 forwards, etc.

2016-17
Jr. Eiserman - Sr.Kelleher-- So.Vela
Jr.McNicholas --So.Nazarian --Fr.Grasso
Fr.Fregona---Fr.Blackburn -- Fr.C.Kelleher
Fr.BVR --Jr.Salvaggio-- So.Miller
Fr._____ -- So.Cefalu---Fr.Sacco

D
Sr.Cleland -- So.Dawson
Sr.Maller --- Jr.Marks
Jr.Furgele -- Fr.Wyse
Jr.Boyd -- Jr.Chanter
Fr.Nonis

2017-18
Sr. Eiserman - Jr.Nazarian-- Jr.Vela
Sr.McNicholas -- So.Blackburn -- So.Fregona
So.BVR----So.C.Kelleher --So.Grasso
Fr.Cipollone--Sr.Salvaggio---Jr.Miller
Fr.MacAdams-- Fr.J.O'Neill---Jr.Cefalu
So.Sacco---So.______-- Fr.A.O'Neill

D
Sr.Marks---Jr.Dawson
Sr.Furgele -- So.Wyse
Sr.Boyd -- Fr.Darcy
Sr.Chanter---So.Nonis

2018-19
Sr.Nazarian-- Jr.Blackburn - Sr.Vela
Jr.BVR--- Jr.C.Kelleher--Jr.Fregona
Fr.________--Jr.Grasso--Fr.__________
So.Cipollone---- So.J.O'Neill ----Sr.Miller
Fr.Esposito -- Jr.Sacco-----Sr.Cefalu
So.A.O'Neill--

D
Sr.Dawson -- Fr._______
Jr.Wyse--- Fr.Green
So.Darcy---- Fr.Bahn
Fr.______ ---Jr.Nonis
 
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... our Hockey East brethren not fairing too well this weekend. Northeastern, I'll give a pass to because NODAK was a tough draw and PC played UMD tough obviously. BU got hammered though by Denver, similar to the 9-2 loss UNH took from them.

Props to Coach Bazin for outlasting all but BC (so far anyway). :)
 
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