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UNH Wildcats 2013-14 Season Thread
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Chuck Murray
WIS & Effingwoods Hockey Almanac
Re: UNH Wildcats 2013-14 Season Thread
I'm pretty much on board with the above. But I will add that in discussing the top d-men on both teams, you sound foolish if you don't admit TvR is at least on par with the best BC has to offer (Matheson?). He's improved every year since he came in as an outmatched freshman, and while he's not by any stretch without shortcomings, neither is Matheson. If you had an open camp tryout between the UNH and BC defensemen, I'd guess those two would be the top pairing. Knoedel and Pesce would also certainly make the top six.
But if you look up front at the skilled players, it's hard to imagine UNH's best (Downing/Goumas?) any higher than the second line at BC, while guys like Sorkin (this year), Speelman, Willows, Kelleher and maybe Correale being 3rd/4th line types.
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I don't see BC doing the business this season ... but with them, you never know. There are still a lot of players with deep postseason experience on that roster, and you folks know how I feel about that. On the other side, most of UNH's players have never even so much as played in the HE semis at the Garden yet. That's why it's so critical for UNH to re-estanlish themselves at that level (at least) this season, or else next season's team then has virtually zero (0) HE Semis pedigree, and only a few early-round NCAA games to serve as their foundation for postseason experience going forward. You can't underestimate the importance of playing in winner-take-all games.
Once upon a time, these two programs were quite similar, trying hard to break through nationally and just coming up short on multiple occasions. BC finally did break through, and a few seasons later they took it to a whole different level entirely, and have carried that to the present day. UNH never quite got there, and has been gradually slipping back for the better part of the last decade. God knows, I used to be on the front line in those fabulous BC v. UNH debates, when it actually WAS a valid debate. But things have changed, and only the most rabid UNH partisan (e.cat, I'm glad it's you and not me, man
) would deny that this indeed is the new reality. I wish it weren't the case ... but it is. And unless/until BC drops from the top tier consistently for more than a few years, it's unlikely to change.
UNH used to get some of the players that UML and PC are now getting. They don't anymore (but take solace in the fact that UMaine doesn't get them anymore either). BU used to split up their talent pool for the most part with BC, but now that has also tilted in BC's favor. But at least BU can point to a National title in the conscious lifetimes of their recruits for the next decade or so. UMaine's two Nationals now mean virtually zippo to recruits, but at least they have those trophies to warm the hearts of their long-time fans and alums during those cold Downeast wintahs. UNH's pinnacle was winning two HE Tourney trophies back-to-back 10+ years ago now, and coming close in two National Finals at around the same time. Unless you are a recruit who had a precocious interest in college hockey when you were 5-6-7 years old tops, none of that is likely going to mean anything to you.
Then again, maybe that spiffy new cutting-edge logo will turn the tide.
Whatever gets you through the day at Complacency U.
I'm pretty much on board with the above. But I will add that in discussing the top d-men on both teams, you sound foolish if you don't admit TvR is at least on par with the best BC has to offer (Matheson?). He's improved every year since he came in as an outmatched freshman, and while he's not by any stretch without shortcomings, neither is Matheson. If you had an open camp tryout between the UNH and BC defensemen, I'd guess those two would be the top pairing. Knoedel and Pesce would also certainly make the top six.
But if you look up front at the skilled players, it's hard to imagine UNH's best (Downing/Goumas?) any higher than the second line at BC, while guys like Sorkin (this year), Speelman, Willows, Kelleher and maybe Correale being 3rd/4th line types.
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I don't see BC doing the business this season ... but with them, you never know. There are still a lot of players with deep postseason experience on that roster, and you folks know how I feel about that. On the other side, most of UNH's players have never even so much as played in the HE semis at the Garden yet. That's why it's so critical for UNH to re-estanlish themselves at that level (at least) this season, or else next season's team then has virtually zero (0) HE Semis pedigree, and only a few early-round NCAA games to serve as their foundation for postseason experience going forward. You can't underestimate the importance of playing in winner-take-all games.
Once upon a time, these two programs were quite similar, trying hard to break through nationally and just coming up short on multiple occasions. BC finally did break through, and a few seasons later they took it to a whole different level entirely, and have carried that to the present day. UNH never quite got there, and has been gradually slipping back for the better part of the last decade. God knows, I used to be on the front line in those fabulous BC v. UNH debates, when it actually WAS a valid debate. But things have changed, and only the most rabid UNH partisan (e.cat, I'm glad it's you and not me, man
) would deny that this indeed is the new reality. I wish it weren't the case ... but it is. And unless/until BC drops from the top tier consistently for more than a few years, it's unlikely to change.UNH used to get some of the players that UML and PC are now getting. They don't anymore (but take solace in the fact that UMaine doesn't get them anymore either). BU used to split up their talent pool for the most part with BC, but now that has also tilted in BC's favor. But at least BU can point to a National title in the conscious lifetimes of their recruits for the next decade or so. UMaine's two Nationals now mean virtually zippo to recruits, but at least they have those trophies to warm the hearts of their long-time fans and alums during those cold Downeast wintahs. UNH's pinnacle was winning two HE Tourney trophies back-to-back 10+ years ago now, and coming close in two National Finals at around the same time. Unless you are a recruit who had a precocious interest in college hockey when you were 5-6-7 years old tops, none of that is likely going to mean anything to you.
Then again, maybe that spiffy new cutting-edge logo will turn the tide.
Whatever gets you through the day at Complacency U.Ya but it's fun to get the fanboys wound up
What I have found gets them wound up the most is pointing how cowardly dirty their cheap shot artist players are, and continue to be in the NHL, Brooks Orpik last night, for example, who got his just deserves when the Bruins retaliated.
sterlippo1
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Re: UNH Wildcats 2013-14 Season Thread
hmmm, Matheson or TvR . It should be Matheson but it isnt clear cut at all IMO. I really like TvR and Matheson has issues. Its almost like he's bored at times and loses concentration and makes dumb mistakes, thinks his talent alone will bail him out
hmmm, Matheson or TvR . It should be Matheson but it isnt clear cut at all IMO. I really like TvR and Matheson has issues. Its almost like he's bored at times and loses concentration and makes dumb mistakes, thinks his talent alone will bail him out
e.cat
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Re: UNH Wildcats 2013-14 Season Thread
I don't like to see guys get carted off on stretchers, but that was a vicious hit on Erikson(?). It sure got Thornton's Irish up
This is spot on Chuck. I mean about the logo
Seriously though, thats a good post.
I don't like to see guys get carted off on stretchers, but that was a vicious hit on Erikson(?). It sure got Thornton's Irish up
I'm pretty much on board with the above. But I will add that in discussing the top d-men on both teams, you sound foolish if you don't admit TvR is at least on par with the best BC has to offer (Matheson?). He's improved every year since he came in as an outmatched freshman, and while he's not by any stretch without shortcomings, neither is Matheson. If you had an open camp tryout between the UNH and BC defensemen, I'd guess those two would be the top pairing. Knoedel and Pesce would also certainly make the top six.
But if you look up front at the skilled players, it's hard to imagine UNH's best (Downing/Goumas?) any higher than the second line at BC, while guys like Sorkin (this year), Speelman, Willows, Kelleher and maybe Correale being 3rd/4th line types.
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I don't see BC doing the business this season ... but with them, you never know. There are still a lot of players with deep postseason experience on that roster, and you folks know how I feel about that. On the other side, most of UNH's players have never even so much as played in the HE semis at the Garden yet. That's why it's so critical for UNH to re-estanlish themselves at that level (at least) this season, or else next season's team then has virtually zero (0) HE Semis pedigree, and only a few early-round NCAA games to serve as their foundation for postseason experience going forward. You can't underestimate the importance of playing in winner-take-all games.
Once upon a time, these two programs were quite similar, trying hard to break through nationally and just coming up short on multiple occasions. BC finally did break through, and a few seasons later they took it to a whole different level entirely, and have carried that to the present day. UNH never quite got there, and has been gradually slipping back for the better part of the last decade. God knows, I used to be on the front line in those fabulous BC v. UNH debates, when it actually WAS a valid debate. But things have changed, and only the most rabid UNH partisan (e.cat, I'm glad it's you and not me, man
UNH used to get some of the players that UML and PC are now getting. They don't anymore (but take solace in the fact that UMaine doesn't get them anymore either). BU used to split up their talent pool for the most part with BC, but now that has also tilted in BC's favor. But at least BU can point to a National title in the conscious lifetimes of their recruits for the next decade or so. UMaine's two Nationals now mean virtually zippo to recruits, but at least they have those trophies to warm the hearts of their long-time fans and alums during those cold Downeast wintahs. UNH's pinnacle was winning two HE Tourney trophies back-to-back 10+ years ago now, and coming close in two National Finals at around the same time. Unless you are a recruit who had a precocious interest in college hockey when you were 5-6-7 years old tops, none of that is likely going to mean anything to you.
Then again, maybe that spiffy new cutting-edge logo will turn the tide.
This is spot on Chuck. I mean about the logo
Seriously though, thats a good post.Re: UNH Wildcats 2013-14 Season Thread
You mean a hit that wasn't penalized and probably won't draw a fine/suspension? I didn't necessarily like the hit itself either, but to say he deserved what happened to him at the hands of Thornton is idiotic.
You mean a hit that wasn't penalized and probably won't draw a fine/suspension? I didn't necessarily like the hit itself either, but to say he deserved what happened to him at the hands of Thornton is idiotic.
Re: UNH Wildcats 2013-14 Season Thread
Are we talking pure offensive skill or all around dman? Because if we're talking all around dman, Matheson probably ranks 3rd IMO behind Santini/McCoshen. Haven't seen enough of TVR to comment on how he is in his own end. I'd gladly take him and his +12 on my team though. Would probably even take him over Matheson.
UNH has a good group of forwards, just not the top end guys BC has.
And, well, one of those two national title games was close
Are we talking pure offensive skill or all around dman? Because if we're talking all around dman, Matheson probably ranks 3rd IMO behind Santini/McCoshen. Haven't seen enough of TVR to comment on how he is in his own end. I'd gladly take him and his +12 on my team though. Would probably even take him over Matheson.
UNH has a good group of forwards, just not the top end guys BC has.
And, well, one of those two national title games was close
Re: UNH Wildcats 2013-14 Season Thread
I would rather be the hunted than the hunter so I guess in that sense the positioning (3rd place) is good. But UNH has already played half of its HE games, while several of the other contenders haven't. For example Maine is just one point back with three games in hand. Lowell is only two back with four games in hand. The schedule is certainly a help, with a majority of games at home and the lower half of the league for opponents. But then again the 'Cats couldn't take advantage of a similar slate down the stretch last year.
I too expect to see them with home ice, but the glass can also be seen as half empty.
I would rather be the hunted than the hunter so I guess in that sense the positioning (3rd place) is good. But UNH has already played half of its HE games, while several of the other contenders haven't. For example Maine is just one point back with three games in hand. Lowell is only two back with four games in hand. The schedule is certainly a help, with a majority of games at home and the lower half of the league for opponents. But then again the 'Cats couldn't take advantage of a similar slate down the stretch last year.
I too expect to see them with home ice, but the glass can also be seen as half empty.
Re: UNH Wildcats 2013-14 Season Thread
Well, you are right, Thornton was way over the line in his retaliation. But, in looking at Orpik's hit several more times since seeing it initially on a large screen, it sure appears to me that Orpik was going for more than Ericson's chest in the way that he lifted his shoulder for that head shot. And, Orpik has a long history of these dirty hits.
But, as of this morning, UNH (NH?) is ranked #1 in Div 1 (in RPI SOS).
Well, you are right, Thornton was way over the line in his retaliation. But, in looking at Orpik's hit several more times since seeing it initially on a large screen, it sure appears to me that Orpik was going for more than Ericson's chest in the way that he lifted his shoulder for that head shot. And, Orpik has a long history of these dirty hits.
But, as of this morning, UNH (NH?) is ranked #1 in Div 1 (in RPI SOS).
BCeagle
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Re: UNH Wildcats 2013-14 Season Thread
Maybe not but he is asking for trouble when he does that. I have seen a number of clips on youtube including hits on Kreider and other players in the league. He is definitely out to hurt players even if it is legalized assault that can result in concussions in some cases. Does he expect other teams to stand back while their players get knocked out at his expense ? Especially the Penguins who have had a number of players like Cooke and Samuelson who have injured Bruin players and really ended their careers. If he doesn't want people to go after him, then he can change his style of hitting and checking. I can appreciate a physical game but not the type that is on the edge and can seriously injure people.
If he doesn't want cheap shots then he better stop giving them to defenseless players.
Maybe not but he is asking for trouble when he does that. I have seen a number of clips on youtube including hits on Kreider and other players in the league. He is definitely out to hurt players even if it is legalized assault that can result in concussions in some cases. Does he expect other teams to stand back while their players get knocked out at his expense ? Especially the Penguins who have had a number of players like Cooke and Samuelson who have injured Bruin players and really ended their careers. If he doesn't want people to go after him, then he can change his style of hitting and checking. I can appreciate a physical game but not the type that is on the edge and can seriously injure people.
If he doesn't want cheap shots then he better stop giving them to defenseless players.
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sterlippo1
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Re: UNH Wildcats 2013-14 Season Thread
he's a BC fan in disguise
Pretty sure Onion's a Brown fan/alum.
he's a BC fan in disguise
sterlippo1
Well-known member
Re: UNH Wildcats 2013-14 Season Thread
i know the golden rule (one of 'em anyway) is that if you've got nothing good to say then say nothing at all but this is butt ugly/cheesy. You guys have great colors, unis, logo , the works, why..........t.......f did they mess with it?
i know the golden rule (one of 'em anyway) is that if you've got nothing good to say then say nothing at all but this is butt ugly/cheesy. You guys have great colors, unis, logo , the works, why..........t.......f did they mess with it?
All part of the "rebranding" ploy for which the brain trust at UNH no doubt paid hundreds of thousands to scam artist marketeers. But, I think that the new logo will make outsiders think kindergarten rather than university.
Chuck Murray
WIS & Effingwoods Hockey Almanac
Re: UNH Wildcats 2013-14 Season Thread
I'm only surprised the word "synergy" hasn't featured prominently in UNH's press releases to date.
In the meantime, students at UNH Manchester and UNH Law School (Franklin Pierce @ Concord) yawn with indifference at the prospect of this wonderfully "inclusionary" action undertaken on their behalf.
I envision this "mission to capture UNH's unified identity" has only just begun, and we've now just "embarked on a journey of discovery" which will see the logo "transform in an evolutionary process" to something that is even more "inclusive" in the future.
Kinda gives you goosebumps, doesn't it.
I'm only surprised the word "synergy" hasn't featured prominently in UNH's press releases to date.
In the meantime, students at UNH Manchester and UNH Law School (Franklin Pierce @ Concord) yawn with indifference at the prospect of this wonderfully "inclusionary" action undertaken on their behalf.
I envision this "mission to capture UNH's unified identity" has only just begun, and we've now just "embarked on a journey of discovery" which will see the logo "transform in an evolutionary process" to something that is even more "inclusive" in the future.
Kinda gives you goosebumps, doesn't it.
New Hampshire 'Cats Fan
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Re: UNH Wildcats 2013-14 Season Thread
To put it simply, they wanted a logo that would encompass all three UNH campuses (Durham-Main, Manchester-Branch, Concord-Law) rather than the previous logo (clock tower), which represented only Durham's campus. Hopefully, they'll go back to the drawing board on the new logo with all of the negative buzz from students and alumni.
To put it simply, they wanted a logo that would encompass all three UNH campuses (Durham-Main, Manchester-Branch, Concord-Law) rather than the previous logo (clock tower), which represented only Durham's campus. Hopefully, they'll go back to the drawing board on the new logo with all of the negative buzz from students and alumni.
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Darius
Go 'cats!
Re: UNH Wildcats 2013-14 Season Thread
Also, the old logo was not suitable for resizing to accommodate both electronic and print use.
The new logo is the result of having gone back to the drawing board after negative response to 3 alternatives presented in the spring.
New Hampshire 'Cats Fan
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Re: UNH Wildcats 2013-14 Season Thread
I know. The original three options weren't so hot either:
http://www.concordmonitor.com/csp/mediapool/sites/dt.common.streams.StreamServer.cls?STREAMOID=Dn1JneQGdRhZXZomDWD_es$daE2N3K4ZzOUsqbU5sYtv1VmcIw9cfm6lXRna_lr8WCsjLu883Ygn4B49Lvm9bPe2QeMKQdVeZmXF$9l$4uCZ8QDXhaHEp3rvzXRJFdy0KqPHLoMevcTLo3h8xh70Y6N_U_CryOsw6FTOdKL_jpQ-&CONTENTTYPE=image/jpeg
I know. The original three options weren't so hot either:
http://www.concordmonitor.com/csp/mediapool/sites/dt.common.streams.StreamServer.cls?STREAMOID=Dn1JneQGdRhZXZomDWD_es$daE2N3K4ZzOUsqbU5sYtv1VmcIw9cfm6lXRna_lr8WCsjLu883Ygn4B49Lvm9bPe2QeMKQdVeZmXF$9l$4uCZ8QDXhaHEp3rvzXRJFdy0KqPHLoMevcTLo3h8xh70Y6N_U_CryOsw6FTOdKL_jpQ-&CONTENTTYPE=image/jpeg
Darius
Go 'cats!
Re: UNH Wildcats 2013-14 Season Thread
My head understands what they are doing and why, but my heart feels that they are not fully appreciating the full meaning of the tradition part of "Tradition - Pride - Excellence".
Of the 4, I like option one, with a more prominent U, on the link you posted.
My head understands what they are doing and why, but my heart feels that they are not fully appreciating the full meaning of the tradition part of "Tradition - Pride - Excellence".
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